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Armstrong stops fighting doping charges - USADA wants him banned and stripped for titles
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 06-09-2012 11:14
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Museeuw now confesses to having used doping, saying it was common practice and every rider knew every other rider did the same. He calls on colleagues to come clean as well. I remember him being taken to hospital in 1998 after falling during Paris-Roubaix (it was snowing that day, I also fell during a race  ).
When he was taken to hospital, doctors claimed they couldn't operate him, as his blood wasn't human. Musseuw and/or QuickStep/Mapei have always had a very bad reputation about doping anyway. They once were the protected ones.
Memories from Menthéour's book brought the sea turtle blood story to my mind again. |
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| solano |
Posted on 06-09-2012 11:59
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It's strange. I thought that Museeuw had already confessed, a few years ago. Maybe I'm remembering wrongly but I'm sure I'd read it. |
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| Bookie |
Posted on 06-09-2012 12:03
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Only that he used epo in his last year or so.
Now he basically says: I did it from the start, and so did everyone else. Quite an accusation. |
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| solano |
Posted on 06-09-2012 13:40
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Bookie wrote:
Only that he used epo in his last year or so.
Now he basically says: I did it from the start, and so did everyone else. Quite an accusation.
OK, that clears it up. Thanks. |
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| Bookie |
Posted on 07-09-2012 09:30
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What Museeuw now confesses, is what Edwig Van Hooydonck has always said. He's a tragic figure, having been a suberb rider at a young age, winning the Tour of Flanders twice (the first time aged 22!) and finishing 3rd twice in Paris-Roubaix. He ended his career at 30 (in 1996), disillusioned and saying mediocre cyclists suddenly going twice as fast as he did (it started about 1992-1993, when he ideed couldn't compete in the big races anymore).
It's for this reason that it's so important to get the cheaters to confess, as it is somewhat of a redemption to those riders doing it the clean way.
His words two or three years ago:
"I continued training like a beast, but I just couldn't keep up anymore. Rolf Aldag suddenly passed me in a time trial. From 1992-1993, all hell brake lose, except at our team where Jan Raas got in docters that pointed out the dangers of doping."
After the Brabantse Pijl of 1996, Van Hooydonck quit cycling. "I was in the front with Museeuw. I thought I was fresher because he had won the E3 the day before, a race in which I didn't participate. But then at Alsemberg you see that he's cycling three gears heavier that you. And then he says that he (Museeuw) only used doping the last year of his career. Bullshit. Museeuw used all his life, it's as simple as that." |
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 07-09-2012 09:35
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No matter how wrong it was to do it, I think it's brave that Museeuw admits it and stimulates others to admit it as well. It's very silly that they're witch-hunting for Armstrong. If you take away his victories, you can just as well wipe away the history of cycling. |
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| Bookie |
Posted on 07-09-2012 10:07
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Brave, it's brave to say no to doping while everyone else is doing it - hence ruining your career. And about 'witchhunting': the truth must be uncovered, and people that have made their fortune by cheating have to be chastised..
No remorse. |
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| ianrussell |
Posted on 07-09-2012 15:41
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The term "witch-hunt" suggests finger pointing, persecution and no substantive evidence - I'm thinking this is a long way off that! Repetition of Armstrong's (PR machine's) desperate, factless press release language is doing it far more justice than it derserves...
Far more importantly this case is about people at the heart of pro cycling today this is NOT JUST ABOUT ARMSTRONG - those people must be dealt with for the sport to (potentially) move forward.
Also just read this interesting piece from a journo's point of view https://www.smh.com.au/sport/cycling/a...25jp5.html |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 07-09-2012 22:05
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Now UCI won't bring the case to CAS.
I guess that's the most convenient way to avoid the evidence becoming public ?
Meanwhile, they'll investigate (and are willing to suspend) riders from Garmin, named as doping in the past by Vaughters. Yes, those guys who testified against Armstrong.
What else could we expect from UCI ? |
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| Bookie |
Posted on 08-09-2012 07:12
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The UCI hate Vaughters. They're so obvious and pathetic. |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 08-09-2012 09:43
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Bookie wrote:
The UCI hate Vaughters. They're so obvious and pathetic.
They're still taking orders in Austin, and will pick at anyone who spoke against them or Him, you mean ? |
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| kumazan |
Posted on 08-09-2012 09:48
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No, the UCI-Vaughters hate relationship is prior to that. They have clashed in many things, namely race radios, TV revenues and, yep, the whole Armstrong saga.
Edited by kumazan on 08-09-2012 10:15
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| muttisr |
Posted on 08-09-2012 10:13
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I believe he was doped, but the problem is, who shall get the titles if he get's stripped? All the others in the top was doped as well. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 08-09-2012 10:21
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muttisr wrote:
I believe he was doped, but the problem is, who shall get the titles if he get's stripped? All the others in the top was doped as well.
No problem. They can just vacate the titles. Nobody won them.
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| YvesStevens |
Posted on 08-09-2012 10:35
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issoisso wrote:
muttisr wrote:
I believe he was doped, but the problem is, who shall get the titles if he get's stripped? All the others in the top was doped as well.
No problem. They can just vacate the titles. Nobody won them.
Well I think they'll give the award to the highest ranking person back then in the GC who hasn't been positively tested on doping but obviously he bribed the doctors |
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| jph27 |
Posted on 08-09-2012 10:42
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Aquarius wrote:
Bookie wrote:
Museeuw now confesses to having used doping, saying it was common practice and every rider knew every other rider did the same. He calls on colleagues to come clean as well. I remember him being taken to hospital in 1998 after falling during Paris-Roubaix (it was snowing that day, I also fell during a race ).
When he was taken to hospital, doctors claimed they couldn't operate him, as his blood wasn't human. Musseuw and/or QuickStep/Mapei have always had a very bad reputation about doping anyway. They once were the protected ones.
Memories from Menthéour's book brought the sea turtle blood story to my mind again.
Sea turtle blood? |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 08-09-2012 10:48
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jph27 wrote:
Aquarius wrote:
Bookie wrote:
Museeuw now confesses to having used doping, saying it was common practice and every rider knew every other rider did the same. He calls on colleagues to come clean as well. I remember him being taken to hospital in 1998 after falling during Paris-Roubaix (it was snowing that day, I also fell during a race ).
When he was taken to hospital, doctors claimed they couldn't operate him, as his blood wasn't human. Musseuw and/or QuickStep/Mapei have always had a very bad reputation about doping anyway. They once were the protected ones.
Memories from Menthéour's book brought the sea turtle blood story to my mind again.
Sea turtle blood?
Yes, our dear Dr Ferrari injected riders with some nuts stuff in the name of performance
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 08-09-2012 11:06
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Yes. Oh, and Menthéour, despite being a lesser rider, was a Ferrari client, mind you.
He could afford it because, as every other rider (in that time) to be a Ferrari client you had to pay a percentage of your wage (huge percentage, like 25 % of your yearly wage), and then buy the chemical stuff yourself.
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| Crommy |
Posted on 10-10-2012 17:15
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It's finally here \o/
https://www.usada....ement.html
EDIT: material to be made available this afternoon
Edited by Crommy on 10-10-2012 17:17
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 10-10-2012 17:23
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Vande Velde, Danielson, Barry, Zabriskie, Hincapie and Leipheimer all suspended as off today already
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