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Tour de France '10 Stage 15 Pamiers - Bagnères-de-Luchon
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| ember |
Posted on 19-07-2010 17:28
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Andreas93 wrote:
He had still but a lot of effort in going to the front of the group, and would have past Andy anyway.
I don't get how you can say that when he wasn't capable of following Schleck's attack. Can you explain? |
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| Goldberger |
Posted on 19-07-2010 17:41
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ember wrote:
Andreas93 wrote:
He had still but a lot of effort in going to the front of the group, and would have past Andy anyway.
I don't get how you can say that when he wasn't capable of following Schleck's attack. Can you explain?
He would have responded to Schleck's attack, he was trapped inside the group. Did you see how easy Vino closed the gap? No way Schleck could have ridden away from Contador today. |
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| khris |
Posted on 19-07-2010 17:43
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Goldberger wrote:
ember wrote:
I don't get how you can say that when he wasn't capable of following Schleck's attack. Can you explain?
He would have responded to Schleck's attack, he was trapped inside the group. Did you see how easy Vino closed the gap? No way Schleck could have ridden away from Contador today.
Uh...Vino didn't close the gap until the chain jumped, he was still trying to when it happened. |
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| Andreas93 |
Posted on 19-07-2010 17:43
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He was capable, but had Vino with him, and made Vino brigde, then he attacked him self.
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| ember |
Posted on 19-07-2010 17:45
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Goldberger wrote:
ember wrote:
Andreas93 wrote:
He had still but a lot of effort in going to the front of the group, and would have past Andy anyway.
I don't get how you can say that when he wasn't capable of following Schleck's attack. Can you explain?
He would have responded to Schleck's attack, he was trapped inside the group. Did you see how easy Vino closed the gap? No way Schleck could have ridden away from Contador today.
I don't know if you can see this clip, it might be geo-restricted.....
https://msn.tv2spo...51365.html
Vino definately struggled with closing the gap. And Contador wasn't trapped inside anyone. When Schleck attacked on his right, he could just went out right on his wheel. He wasn't trapped. He had more than enough space to go on Schleck's wheel. |
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| kadel |
Posted on 19-07-2010 17:48
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Saxo themselves are one of the worst teams when talking about pushing the pace when others are in trouble like this, they can't expect others will wait for them when they rarely do it themselves. Riis said after the stage where Cancellara cancelled the sprint that he probably wouldn't have waited for the others if his boys were in front.
Saxo got what they deserve that's it. |
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| ember |
Posted on 19-07-2010 17:48
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Andreas93 wrote:
He was capable, but had Vino with him, and made Vino brigde, then he attacked him self.
That makes perfect sense. He just lets his main contender, and his only contender for yellow jersey get 30 metres on him. Like it doesn't matter..... For what reason!?
Anyway, we won't agree on this one, so why discuss it here? We can probably take it on PM?  |
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| doddy13 |
Posted on 19-07-2010 18:02
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Andreas93 wrote:
He was capable, but had Vino with him, and made Vino brigde, then he attacked him self.
So he made Vino bridge because he was capable of briding it himself.
Right.... i'm not convinced by that at all.
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| Andreas93 |
Posted on 19-07-2010 18:07
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Much easier for Contador to have someone else to bridge, then counter attack. Why brigde when he could use his strength to counter attack.
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 19-07-2010 18:09
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Andreas93 wrote:
Much easier for Contador to have someone else to bridge, then counter attack. Why brigde when he could use his strength to counter attack.
Because if Contador didnt bridge, Schleck would ride away. Its already been established in this race that Schleck and Contador are fairly evenly matched on the climbs - and above everyone else. Schleck would have dropped Vino, and Contador may have struggled to have regained Schlecks wheel.
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| doddy13 |
Posted on 19-07-2010 18:12
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Andreas93 wrote:
Much easier for Contador to have someone else to bridge, then counter attack. Why brigde when he could use his strength to counter attack.
Yes, get someone else to bridge, then bridge himself, then counter attack.
That makes perfect sense, thanks for clearing it up.
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| roger_94 |
Posted on 19-07-2010 18:14
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Andreas93 wrote:
Much easier for Contador to have someone else to bridge, then counter attack. Why brigde when he could use his strength to counter attack.
what strenght? |
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| Andreas93 |
Posted on 19-07-2010 18:21
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SportingNonsense wrote:
Andreas93 wrote:
Much easier for Contador to have someone else to bridge, then counter attack. Why brigde when he could use his strength to counter attack.
Because if Contador didnt bridge, Schleck would ride away. Its already been established in this race that Schleck and Contador are fairly evenly matched on the climbs - and above everyone else. Schleck would have dropped Vino, and Contador may have struggled to have regained Schlecks wheel.
I have seen clear pictures where Vino rode faster then Schleck and would have been on Andys wheel, mechanicals or not. Then, it would be a 2 m less gap for Contador to bridge.
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 19-07-2010 18:25
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Andreas93 wrote:
SportingNonsense wrote:
Andreas93 wrote:
Much easier for Contador to have someone else to bridge, then counter attack. Why brigde when he could use his strength to counter attack.
Because if Contador didnt bridge, Schleck would ride away. Its already been established in this race that Schleck and Contador are fairly evenly matched on the climbs - and above everyone else. Schleck would have dropped Vino, and Contador may have struggled to have regained Schlecks wheel.
I have seen clear pictures where Vino rode faster then Schleck and would have been on Andys wheel, mechanicals or not. Then, it would be a 2 m less gap for Contador to bridge.
Vino rode faster initially - of course he did, he was making his acceleration. But as Vino slowed, there was still a gap there - and it was beginning to stop decreasing.
And you think the gap was only 2 metres? Dont be ridiculous.
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| Ennyzor |
Posted on 19-07-2010 18:28
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Comparing todays incident with Chavanel being dropped on the cobblestones BEFORE the punctures is just silly.
About todays situation.. Contador clearly attacks and ride past Andy, well knowing about the mechanical problem, and because of that attack, Menchov and Sanchez follows him and then there can be no waiting.
At least there used to be fair play in this sport.. Just take a look back at the 2003 Tour when Armstrong crashed due to the yellow bag. |
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| litllemagnum |
Posted on 19-07-2010 18:29
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Thomas wrote:
doddy13 wrote:
Andro wrote:
Stop comparing this to other sports. There are different unwritten rules in each sport, and what people do in footbal has nothing to do with cycling.
Fine, i'll compare it to cycling.
There's this unwritten rule that says when the yellow jersey had a crash or mechanical you wait for him.
Happy now?
Again, that unwritten is obviously not that common in the peleton since a majority of the riders say that Contador did the right thing and it's bike racing.. You -somehow- compare it to football but take my example with Chavanel as I wrote above..
You do know that Chavanel was already dropped before his mechanical problem |
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| Ennyzor |
Posted on 19-07-2010 18:30
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Andreas93 wrote:
SportingNonsense wrote:
Andreas93 wrote:
Much easier for Contador to have someone else to bridge, then counter attack. Why brigde when he could use his strength to counter attack.
Because if Contador didnt bridge, Schleck would ride away. Its already been established in this race that Schleck and Contador are fairly evenly matched on the climbs - and above everyone else. Schleck would have dropped Vino, and Contador may have struggled to have regained Schlecks wheel.
I have seen clear pictures where Vino rode faster then Schleck and would have been on Andys wheel, mechanicals or not. Then, it would be a 2 m less gap for Contador to bridge.
Contador was still back in the group when Andy had his mechanical problem. You really believe Contador would have closed that 10-20 meter gap, when he couldn't do it on the Avoriaz climb? |
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 19-07-2010 18:41
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one more time..Andy had some advantage here
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| golance123 |
Posted on 19-07-2010 18:42
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https://www.youtub...P9OR-Pz2Yk
Perhaps this video will refresh your memories. As you can see, the chain comes off at around 8 seconds into the video. Vino is approximately 5 meters behind Schleck. Schleck is still accelerating when the chain pops off. It takes Vino another 3-4 seconds to catch Schleck AFTER the chain comes off. Contador catches him another 2 seconds behind Vino. That is clearly enough time to recognize the mechanical issue. I don't think anyone truly expected Contador to WAIT for Schleck. The issue is that Contador began his attack when he passed Andy. |
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| Wilier |
Posted on 19-07-2010 18:43
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Contador had every right to attack. There's no 'written' rule that says he should wait. Still, I think he should have waited for the sake of sportsmanship. Saxo kind of had it coming though. |
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