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CrueTrue |
Posted on 20-05-2010 22:33
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The question does say "Did you ever pay the UCI?", but yes, there's no reason to nitpick on his statement. It does say what you'd expect it to. |
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Posted on 21-05-2010 00:24
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I support Lance 110%, mostly because I grew up watching him win 7 TdF's and because I'm from the USA. But I think this might be good for cycling to remove all the dopers and start back up again. Man this is just like baseball.
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ABridgeTooFar |
Posted on 21-05-2010 03:02
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Man, you guys are too much. Floyd has zero credibility. Yet you take his latest statements as gospel. Is it because he is finally saying what you guys think?
I am all for the truth and kicking out the dopers including Lance, but we need some evidence! Otherwise this is just high school gossip, tabloid material. We are better than that. |
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Lorkan |
Posted on 21-05-2010 06:14
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ABridgeTooFar wrote:
Man, you guys are too much. Floyd has zero credibility. Yet you take his latest statements as gospel. Is it because he is finally saying what you guys think?
I am all for the truth and kicking out the dopers including Lance, but we need some evidence! Otherwise this is just high school gossip, tabloid material. We are better than that.
You told it quicker than me, I totally agree with you... |
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issoisso |
Posted on 21-05-2010 06:18
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ABridgeTooFar wrote:
Man, you guys are too much. Floyd has zero credibility. Yet you take his latest statements as gospel. Is it because he is finally saying what you guys think?
I am all for the truth and kicking out the dopers including Lance, but we need some evidence! Otherwise this is just high school gossip, tabloid material. We are better than that.
It's because he's saying what many have said before to the point where we know for a fact it's true.
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roturn |
Posted on 21-05-2010 09:27
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2002
He later, while winning the Tour de Swiss, the month before
the Tour de France, tested positive for EPO at which point he and Mr
Bruyneel flew to the UCI headquarters and made a financial agreement with
Mr. Vrubrugen to keep the positive test hidden.
Maybe i am wrong, but how could Armstrong have a positive test during Tour de Suisse 2002 when US Postal didn`t start there???
Maybe the story is true but not 2002 Tour de Suisse |
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CrueTrue |
Posted on 21-05-2010 09:48
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issoisso wrote:
doddy13 wrote:
The International Cycling Union (UCI) categorically rejects accusations made by Mr Floyd Landis, in particular the allegation that a positive doping result by Lance Armstrong during the 2002 Tour of Switzerland was concealed after an agreement was reached between the American rider, his directeur sportif Mr Johan Bruyneel and the former UCI President, Mr Hein Verbruggen.
Deeply shocked by the gravity of this statement, which considerably impinges on the honour of all persons who have dedicated themselves to the fight against doping, the UCI wishes to clearly state that it has never changed or concealed a positive test result.
The accusation by Mr Floyd Landis, guilty himself of a breach of the Anti-Doping Rules in 2006, is thus completely unfounded and the UCI can only express its outrage at this new attempt to harm the image of cycling. Our sport has long paid a heavy price for the fraudulent behaviour of individuals such as Floyd Landis and we cannot accept the principles governing our work being challenged in terms of their ethics and honesty by a person who has not hesitated to breach such principles.
By way of information, the UCI would like to point out that Lance Armstrong did not participate in the 2002 Tour of Switzerland.
Finally, the UCI wishes to make clear that it will undertake all necessary measures to defend its honour as well as the honour of all its executives who have been unfairly accused by Mr Floyd Landis.
That says everything you need to know about the UCI right there.
Specifically that they are willing to distort Landis' words to screw with his credibility.
Landis never said it was the 2002 TdS. He said That in 2002 Armstrong told him that at the time the EPO test was introduced which was in 2001, those events happened.
Who won the 2001 Tour de Suisse? Lance Armstrong
EDIT: As for McQuaid's claim that it couldn't happen because the positive tests at the time were sent immediately not only to the UCI but to the IOC, isn't it convenient that he "forgot" to mention that Verbruggen was also president of the IOC at the time.
Anyone who knows Verbruggen knows this is more than just "a possibility". It is, in fact, something that's day to day business for Verbruggen.
Either way, if Floyd has any evidence and any brains, then he's going to wait until everyone involved denies before presenting it.
Roturn: Issoisso posted the above on the previous page |
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roturn |
Posted on 21-05-2010 13:00
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I haven`t seen this sry.
Well then this is really weak of the UCI. Just "misunderstanding" it. |
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BouBBox |
Posted on 21-05-2010 13:04
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If Landis was doping himself since 2002 it seems that the tests wernt very effective. So nothing can tell that negative tests are correct.
Team Europcar !!
RIP Wouter
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CrueTrue |
Posted on 21-05-2010 13:08
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Oh really?
It's been clear for years that doping tests are hardly reliable due to various reasons. |
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BouBBox |
Posted on 21-05-2010 13:14
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I was still hoping ... That was naive XD
Team Europcar !!
RIP Wouter
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Crommy |
Posted on 21-05-2010 14:49
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Angered by steroid accusations, Lance Armstrong threw a car at reporters.
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Crommy |
Posted on 21-05-2010 15:12
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He did acknowledge that the UCI had received money from Armstrong. “The UCI received $100,000 from Lance Armstrong in 2005, four years after this incident was supposed to have taken place.”
Lance has been lying again!
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ABridgeTooFar |
Posted on 21-05-2010 15:27
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issoisso wrote:
ABridgeTooFar wrote:
Man, you guys are too much. Floyd has zero credibility. Yet you take his latest statements as gospel. Is it because he is finally saying what you guys think?
I am all for the truth and kicking out the dopers including Lance, but we need some evidence! Otherwise this is just high school gossip, tabloid material. We are better than that.
It's because he's saying what many have said before to the point where we know for a fact it's true.
With all due respect to you. issoisso, but unless it can be proven as fact then it is not a fact. In this case in can not.
If you disagree and you feel it is a fact then what does that say about the inaction of WADA, UCI, USADA, IOC and other organizations whose job it is to police these drug violations. |
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ABridgeTooFar |
Posted on 21-05-2010 15:31
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Another point to make is how Landis leaked the story to the Wall Street Journal. Of all people, why the hell would you go to the Wall Street Journal? If the allegations are true and he wants to make a difference then why not go directly to USADA or WADA?
All talk and no proof. Did anyone point out that this investigation could prevent LA from riding in the TdF? Just a thought. |
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Crommy |
Posted on 21-05-2010 15:34
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ABridgeTooFar wrote:
Another point to make is how Landis leaked the story to the Wall Street Journal. Of all people, why the hell would you go to the Wall Street Journal? If the allegations are true and he wants to make a difference then why not go directly to USADA or WADA?
He did
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Aquarius |
Posted on 21-05-2010 15:35
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Yeah, no proof, no trial, so he's "innocent until proven guilty", and we shouldn't accuse Lance of anything, should we ?
Yet, we're no court. And we have freedom of opinion and freedom of speech.
What Landis claimed about his testosterone test was possible, but extremly unlikely.
What he claims now is very detailed, it's possible, and extremely likely (there's a lot of coherency in it with what many people have been telling for years, caught dopeheads, followers, investigators, journalists, whoever...).
Oh, and it seems he didn't go straight to the WSJ, he shared emails with USADA, UCI, WADA (?) for a month or so, and then WSJ got excerpts of those emails. Unless I got it wrong... |
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issoisso |
Posted on 21-05-2010 15:52
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ABridgeTooFar wrote:
With all due respect to you. issoisso, but unless it can be proven as fact then it is not a fact. In this case in can not.
So, if you hear a gunshot, turn around and see a man standing over a bloody corpse with a smoking gun in his hand, it's not a fact that he's a murderer just because you can't prove it?
ABridgeTooFar wrote:
If you disagree and you feel it is a fact then what does that say about the inaction of WADA, UCI, USADA, IOC and other organizations whose job it is to police these drug violations.
The UCI are corrupt. The IOC have nothing to do with it. The other two are investigating.
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doddy13 |
Posted on 21-05-2010 17:00
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Meanwhile
Mickeal Larpe (France)
Alessandro Coló (Italy)
are suspended after a positive test.
Larpe - 20 March 2010 - Châtenay-Malabry
Colo 25 April 2010 (Tour of Mexico) - Los Angeles.
oh and the U23 Cyclocross champion is now Arnaud Jouffroy of France after the disqualifications that happened there.
Edited by doddy13 on 21-05-2010 17:01
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Crommy |
Posted on 21-05-2010 17:16
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Lance suggests he'll be releasing the e-mails Floyd has been sending him within the hour
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