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| Andreas93 |
Posted on 25-05-2009 18:07
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Actually, it was in the uphill sections Denis was best in the TT.
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| Ildabaoth |
Posted on 25-05-2009 18:12
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Andreas93 wrote:
Actually, it was in the uphill sections Denis was best in the TT.
That doesn't help. That means that he, in theory, has a higher obligation to attack in the mountains than Evans.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 25-05-2009 18:16
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Because Evans, despite being one of the most frequent attackers on climbs, has a reputation for wheelsucking, and that's it.
Instead of looking at facts, people go for what's "cool". And it's hip to bash Evans for wheelsucking.
In time they'll look back and realize how stupid they were to say it. To give you an idea just how stupid they're being, Sastre was once in this exact situation. Labelled a wheelsucker who never attacks.
And no, Sastre hasn't changed his style one bit since then.
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| Michal4444 |
Posted on 25-05-2009 18:19
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Ildabaoth wrote:
Andreas93 wrote:
Actually, it was in the uphill sections Denis was best in the TT.
That doesn't help. That means that he, in theory, has a higher obligation to attack in the mountains than Evans.
That does help. If Menchov needed to attack he did. Or do you think that Indurain(ok that is maybe a little bit too much) was also same as Evans? |
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| Ildabaoth |
Posted on 25-05-2009 18:21
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Michal4444 wrote:
Ildabaoth wrote:
Andreas93 wrote:
Actually, it was in the uphill sections Denis was best in the TT.
That doesn't help. That means that he, in theory, has a higher obligation to attack in the mountains than Evans.
That does help. If Menchov needed to attack he did. Or do you think that Indurain(ok that is maybe a little bit too much) was also same as Evans?
I've seen Evans attacking when he needed to. Quite a few times. That's the point.
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| Bosskardo |
Posted on 25-05-2009 18:53
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Ildabaoth wrote:
Michal4444 wrote:
Ildabaoth wrote:
Andreas93 wrote:
Actually, it was in the uphill sections Denis was best in the TT.
That doesn't help. That means that he, in theory, has a higher obligation to attack in the mountains than Evans.
That does help. If Menchov needed to attack he did. Or do you think that Indurain(ok that is maybe a little bit too much) was also same as Evans?
I've seen Evans attacking when he needed to. Quite a few times. That's the point.
But he never takes risks. Even when he attacks (which is very rarely and close to finish) if he sees that he doesent get a nice gap he takes it easy.
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| Setzel |
Posted on 25-05-2009 19:13
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62 Thomas Lövkvist (Swe) Team Columbia - Highroad 24.46
Finnaly we can put an end to any debate that lovkvist will ever be a 3 week Tour Rider ..pfiu !
Menchov master of wheel sucking today...Sastre at the 13 percent was DEAD .... the jesus camed and resurected him =)
So for sure menchov will win Giro , All he needs is a TdF win if he makes the same preparation for Tdf next year and rabo signes 1 good lieutanant will have a big chance.
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| BlockHause |
Posted on 25-05-2009 19:19
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Why should anyone attack in Menchov's position. There is no sense in taking risks when you don't need to.
His job is to win Giro not to look cool.
Menchov is acctualy very agresive rider. Just look at last years TdF... he attacked 2-3 times (all of which ended in disaster) |
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| Setzel |
Posted on 25-05-2009 19:22
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BlockHause wrote:
Why should anyone attack in Menchov's position. There is no sense in taking risks when you don't need to.
His job is to win Giro not to look cool.
Menchov is acctualy very agresive rider. Just look at last years TdF... he attacked 2-3 times (all of which ended in disaster)
Correct  he was a good wheelsucker today , that was what he needed to do and he did ....not everything must be spectacular , hard work and good tactics always give you paybacks aswell
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| mrlol |
Posted on 25-05-2009 19:23
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yeah, Menchov tends to blow up quite easily when attacking too much.
I think what he did today was the right choice. As long as Sastre and Basso dont take more then a minute, there's nothing to worrie about. |
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| Ildabaoth |
Posted on 25-05-2009 19:31
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mrlol wrote:
yeah, Menchov tends to blow up quite easily when attacking too much.
I think what he did today was the right choice. As long as Sastre and Basso dont take more then a minute, there's nothing to worrie about.
I don't say it was the right thing to do. I do agree with that. My point is that when Evans do the same, people tend to dismiss him really badly.
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| niconico |
Posted on 25-05-2009 19:39
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Phenomenal win by Sastre today, I can't help but get a little ecstatic when he wins a stage, eventhough that is quite rare, but it makes it even more satisfying of course. Naturally it was more a question of Menchov and Di Luca's tactical dispositions rather than Carlos being the strongest, it's still a nice win though, and he would be a serious contender now if it wasn't for Menchov's incredible form. I don't see Sastre leaving Menchov behind anymore this Giro as the deficit is too low for Menchov to take anymore chances like this one.
Menchov is my undisputed favourite for the Blockhaus stage now. I can't see who is going to beat him there. Because apparently Basso, who I see as his only threat on that particular stage, just quite and simple is a notch below his 2006 form.
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| mrlol |
Posted on 25-05-2009 19:52
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Ildabaoth wrote:
mrlol wrote:
yeah, Menchov tends to blow up quite easily when attacking too much.
I think what he did today was the right choice. As long as Sastre and Basso dont take more then a minute, there's nothing to worrie about.
I don't say it was the right thing to do. I do agree with that. My point is that when Evans do the same, people tend to dismiss him really badly.
@ the part in bold: right, I dont get you...
@ the 2nd part: I never said anything about Evans... |
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| Rinhoth |
Posted on 25-05-2009 19:54
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I think he meant that he doesn't say that it wasn't the right thing to do...
If children have the ability to ignore all odds and percentages, then maybe we can all learn from them. When you think about it, what other choice is there but to hope? We have two options, medically and emotionally: give up, or Fight Like Hell.
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| Ildabaoth |
Posted on 25-05-2009 19:59
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mrlol wrote:
Ildabaoth wrote:
mrlol wrote:
yeah, Menchov tends to blow up quite easily when attacking too much.
I think what he did today was the right choice. As long as Sastre and Basso dont take more then a minute, there's nothing to worrie about.
I don't say it was the right thing to do. I do agree with that. My point is that when Evans do the same, people tend to dismiss him really badly.
@ the part in bold: right, I dont get you...
@ the 2nd part: I never said anything about Evans...
Yes, sorry, I miswrote. It was "I didn't say it wasn't the right thing to do". About Evans I wasn't talking about your commentary, but following my general idea that when Evans do the same thing Menchov is doing, people get angry at him. But I guess it was enough, let's continue with the Giro thread.
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| raar1991 |
Posted on 25-05-2009 20:10
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I wanted to writing something smart but I can't  just gonna say smart ride by Menchov 
and btw I'm in 3rd place in velogames manager and still going up
Edited by raar1991 on 25-05-2009 20:11
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| Juan |
Posted on 25-05-2009 20:12
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So...
Really fantastic stage today : Sastre has really impressed me a lot, he was very strong. Too bad he won't be on top form in the Tour to challenge Contador. Would have been interesting to see what could have happened between the two.
As for GC, unless in case of big blow for Menchov on Blockhaus or Vesuvio, I think it's done.
@issoisso : OK, I'm an idiot, and you were right ( too bad for the pink tutu   ) 
Well done Seeldrayers, white in Paris-Nice and Giro in the same year, that's B)
As for wednesday stage, I can't actually find the real profile, we'll see if it goes to 2064m or not, but it could be great fun (even though it won't likely happen).
Finally, about the eternal Evans' debate, here's my opinion :
What I think is that in races like Pais Vasco, Paris-Nice, or Classics, in which he doesn't have to deal with a 3 week form, Evans only builds up, and doesn't cares about GC, so he attacks.
But when he has to deal with a GT, or a GC, he isn't able to attack anymore, as if he was fearing all his attacks to be countered. So, he just seats down and wait for attack. But I don't know why.
Remember also that last year he fall in a Pyrenees stage, and wasn't in good form for the 3rd week
So, Evans isn't a wheelsucker, but his Tour tactics are really strange, and that's because he isn't as good climber as Contador or Sastre in GTs
Also, really looking forward to wattages
Actually, wednesday stage will finish @Hotel Mamma Rosa 1631 m, km 76.9 on the available profile.
Edited by Juan on 25-05-2009 20:19
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| issoisso |
Posted on 25-05-2009 20:26
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Juan wrote:
@issoisso : OK, I'm an idiot, and you were right ( too bad for the pink tutu )
Well done Seeldrayers, white in Paris-Nice and Giro in the same year, that's B)
No worries
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| issoisso |
Posted on 25-05-2009 20:31
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cyclingnews wrote:
Sastre's 6-kilo body, with his sub-seven kilo Cervelo bike
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| Rui_Costa |
Posted on 25-05-2009 20:40
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Leipheimer is really disapointing, and I think Astana should have let Armstrong go with Menchov and Di Luca when he was with them. They told him to wait for Leipheimer and he lost the opportunity of showing that he can still climb very well. |
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