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| sammyt93 |
Posted on 20-05-2014 23:37
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Thanks for the help  and a new GPS is definitely in order if I want it to register the segments I ride.
On an unrelated subject am I the only Cycle Speedway rider on the forum? (or has anyone else here even heard of the sport?)
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| mowinckel91 |
Posted on 21-05-2014 00:11
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sammyt93 wrote:
Thanks for the help and a new GPS is definitely in order if I want it to register the segments I ride.
On an unrelated subject am I the only Cycle Speedway rider on the forum? (or has anyone else here even heard of the sport?)
Just youtubed it, that looks crazy, how do you get in shape for something like that lol |
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| wogsrus |
Posted on 21-05-2014 07:33
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mowinckel91 wrote:
Hey guys, want to improve my climbing, any suggestions on what I should do?
Practice makes perfect. Not only the physical, but being able to understand what you need to do in preparation for a specific climb helps you once you hit the foot of it. Also, just sit on a steady pace and try and keep that for the whole climb, depending on the gradient.
https://www.strava.../143753325
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| Strydz |
Posted on 21-05-2014 08:49
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mowinckel91 wrote:
Hey guys, want to improve my climbing, any suggestions on what I should do?
It is pretty straight forward and that is to put in k's climbing!
It is certainly something you need to build upto and don't expect to be a mountain goat straight away, not sure on your access to climbs but something that is a few k's long with a easy grade of say 3 to 5% is a good place to work out rhythm and how to pace yourself, doing hill repeats is a great way to build strength and again to work out your style be it high cadence spinning or lower gear grinding, the higher the cadence will build endurance and help you get up longer steeper climbs. Gearing is important, many climbers will run a compact on the front 50/34 and say a 28 or 30 on the back (I run a standard front 53/39 and a 28 on the back and no issues with any climb). You need to enjoy it like anything in cycling, if you go to hard to early you might lose motivation so my main advice is take it slower and build that strength and endurance and before you know it you will be flying up the Zoncolan or Alpe D'uez
Edited by Strydz on 21-05-2014 08:51
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| admirschleck |
Posted on 21-05-2014 08:53
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sammyt93 wrote:
On an unrelated subject am I the only Cycle Speedway rider on the forum? (or has anyone else here even heard of the sport?)
I heard of it when you said it here on forum, a year ago. Had no idea that something like that ever existed. 
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| ianrussell |
Posted on 21-05-2014 08:54
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mowinckel91 wrote:
Hey guys, want to improve my climbing, any suggestions on what I should do?
Turn to the combined power of Goggle, YouTube and GCN:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyIP6...yIP6Qurviw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZ3RS...Z3RSUW47yk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbrKH...brKH4QoaJA |
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| mowinckel91 |
Posted on 21-05-2014 11:48
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Thank you all for the good and detailed comments. Will look into the links and the tips you gave me. Gonna do some climbing today. My gear is only 27 at the back, but ill change it this weekend to 28 or something! And I think you're right, I dont think I should start too hard, just work on the technique.
PS! I think I stay more out of the saddle than on my seat during a climb. This might be because i lack strenght in my legs? |
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| SSJ2Luigi |
Posted on 21-05-2014 15:49
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I have a another tour ride very soon and it has real climbs (although very short in comparisment) 
this is one I look forward to the most because it isn't plain straight, it actually curves  and as a bonus there is this wall
I apperently have the power to break the laws of daily 
June 7th, my body is Reggie
edit: the first climb is like 2,7 kilometers and with a 76 elevation gain
Edited by SSJ2Luigi on 21-05-2014 16:41
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| mowinckel91 |
Posted on 21-05-2014 19:30
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Did 5 intervalls, each one of them was 2 kilometers and mostly 8-9 percent. I struggled to keep my frequence around 60-80. Think i was around 50. I guess I'm in bad shape or maybe I just have too heavy gears. My easiest gear is 27 and I've heard some people use 29 and some even over 30. Any suggestions ? |
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| mowinckel91 |
Posted on 21-05-2014 19:30
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Did 5 intervalls, each one of them was 2 kilometers and mostly 8-9 percent. I struggled to keep my frequence around 60-80. Think i was around 50. I guess I'm in bad shape or maybe I just have too heavy gears. My easiest gear is 27 and I've heard some people use 29 and some even over 30. Any suggestions ? |
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| ianrussell |
Posted on 21-05-2014 19:39
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You need the right gears to have a cadence of around 80 rpm but generally in the range of 70-100. Most people are more efficient climbing in the saddle most of the time with spells standing but there are exceptions (the most famous being Contador himself).
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| mowinckel91 |
Posted on 21-05-2014 19:45
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ianrussell wrote:
You need the right gears to have a cadence of around 80 rpm but generally in the range of 70-100. Most people are more efficient climbing in the saddle most of the time with spells standing but there are exceptions (the most famous being Contador himself).
Ye i think my gears are too heavy, I cant even accelerate while sitting in the steepest slopes. I think i can save a lot of energy if I get some ligther gears. Is this expensive? I've got dura ace. |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 21-05-2014 20:37
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mowinckel91 wrote:
Did 5 intervalls, each one of them was 2 kilometers and mostly 8-9 percent. I struggled to keep my frequence around 60-80. Think i was around 50. I guess I'm in bad shape or maybe I just have too heavy gears. My easiest gear is 27 and I've heard some people use 29 and some even over 30. Any suggestions ?
I did the Alps with 39x28 on a 12 kg bike and a poor condition, then the Pyérénées with 39x29, a 8 kg bike and a much better physical condition.
The second one was fine, the first one was too heavy. I'd let you do the math, but I probably didn't manage to do so many RPM when climbing Alpe d'Huez at 9 km/h the first time (precisely 1h32 for the official course).
As ianrussel said, most people will do 70-100 RPM. The ideal depends on you, your efficiency and the effort intensity. Most pros average 90 on mountains.
I wouldn't recommend doing mountains under 80.
There are online calculators here and there on internet, where you indicate climb length, your effort duration, etc. and it gives you a number of Watts. Try to see how many Watts you could do on a 1h effort (it's guessing mostly), see how fast that'd make you on a mountain whose length and altitude are known, then see what gear you need to use to reach at least 80 RPM.
As for the price, it mostly depends on whether you change just a few cogs or the whole cassette. |
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| sammyt93 |
Posted on 21-05-2014 21:23
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mowinckel91 wrote:
Just youtubed it, that looks crazy, how do you get in shape for something like that lol
A lot of on track training, the ability to gate (get away from the start) is probably the most important technique and I'm still not that good at it. Apart from that it's speed, endurance and recovery that you need.
In terms of training the only thing I've found to be effective is training on the track, as it's unlike any other cycling event. Some sprint interval training could be useful aswell but it's not something I've properly tried out yet.
That said I think the top riders do some circuit training during the off season to make sure they start the season in good shape.
@admir
I wasn't sure if I had or not, still I'm not that surprised I'm the only one here that does it as I think it's only in Britain, Poland, Australia, New Zealand just been introduced to Japan last year, and possibly America as I'm fairly sure they've previously hosted a World Championship before I started.
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| mowinckel91 |
Posted on 21-05-2014 21:30
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Aquarius wrote:
mowinckel91 wrote:
Did 5 intervalls, each one of them was 2 kilometers and mostly 8-9 percent. I struggled to keep my frequence around 60-80. Think i was around 50. I guess I'm in bad shape or maybe I just have too heavy gears. My easiest gear is 27 and I've heard some people use 29 and some even over 30. Any suggestions ?
I did the Alps with 39x28 on a 12 kg bike and a poor condition, then the Pyérénées with 39x29, a 8 kg bike and a much better physical condition.
The second one was fine, the first one was too heavy. I'd let you do the math, but I probably didn't manage to do so many RPM when climbing Alpe d'Huez at 9 km/h the first time (precisely 1h32 for the official course).
As ianrussel said, most people will do 70-100 RPM. The ideal depends on you, your efficiency and the effort intensity. Most pros average 90 on mountains.
I wouldn't recommend doing mountains under 80.
There are online calculators here and there on internet, where you indicate climb length, your effort duration, etc. and it gives you a number of Watts. Try to see how many Watts you could do on a 1h effort (it's guessing mostly), see how fast that'd make you on a mountain whose length and altitude are known, then see what gear you need to use to reach at least 80 RPM.
As for the price, it mostly depends on whether you change just a few cogs or the whole cassette.
Thank you so much for the answer. As long as its under 6% i manage to do around 80, but as soon as i hit 8% + i fall down to 50. Its really frustrating that i do well on the easier slopes and fall off so hard on the steeper ones. I will definately buy a few cogs this weekend if its not too expensive. Maybe it will solve all my problems I'm 74 kilo so I dont think the weight should be the problem. The bike is somewhere around 8-9 kilos. |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 24-05-2014 09:34
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Using Strava as a social network, I have an appointment with a bunch of local triathletes and cyclists this afternoon (if it's not too rainy - weather has been looking uncertain so far today). They're the very people who have been robbing my KOMs (and whose KOM I've stolen) these past 6 months or so.
Honestly, it should be more like a ride to chat than a ride to sort those KOM out.  |
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| Shonak |
Posted on 24-05-2014 12:46
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Didn't your mum tell you to not go out with strangers on the internet? 
Have fun! Strava surely can work as a tool like this in the future, however I think it's missing communication possibilities, since you can only talk over "commenting rides". Something like private message or a guest book on the right side, would be sorta nice.
"It’s a little bit scary when Contador attacks." - Tommy V
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| SSJ2Luigi |
Posted on 24-05-2014 12:58
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Shonak wrote:
Didn't your mum tell you to not go out with strangers on the internet?
just say that your meeting with some acquaintances
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| VoetsT |
Posted on 24-05-2014 13:49
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Today, for the first time in my life, I have seen a pro cyclist on his trainings ride
I was riding along a canal when Tom Boonen came from the other direction.
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| Shonak |
Posted on 24-05-2014 14:07
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VoetsT wrote:
Today, for the first time in my life, I have seen a pro cyclist on his trainings ride
I was riding along a canal when Tom Boonen came from the other direction.
Pure envy here.
"It’s a little bit scary when Contador attacks." - Tommy V
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