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Giro d'Italia 2009
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| schleck93 |
Posted on 06-05-2009 11:57
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Cobo is still not riding
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Thor wears a live rattlesnake as a condom.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 06-05-2009 11:58
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Ad wrote:
You said they "climbers" dont get me started on katusha and im pretty sure most people would say that colom is a decent climber.
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Is Colom doing the Giro?
Are you acting dumb on purpose to be annoying?
Here's a hint: read what I wrote. Don't assume I meant something that isn't there.
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I was just saying flamina would get in instead of bouygues in my opinion but fuji deserve it with their better quality of riders (compared to flamina) I think cobo will suprise a few people.  i hope so but i also dont as some people will obviously claim hes doped :9 we will see anyway only time will tell but i bet you during the giro someone will claim someone is doped.
Here's a novel concept: try reading what I write before you answer.
Cobo IS NOT RIDING.
Here's a helpful little drawing to help you with that:
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| jacknic |
Posted on 06-05-2009 12:01
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But hey, it's fashionable to bash Bouygues, so let's do that. let's bash a team that wins a lot of races clean just because it's cool. And while we're at it, let's support a more fashionable team that wins less despite not being clean and having 5 times the budget, like Quickstep, Saxo Bank, Rabobank, Astana, LPR, Cervélo, Liquigas, Lampre, etc. etc. etc.
Huh? When was all this agreed as fact? Did you just accuse some 240 riders of being doped?
Don't really want to get into it with you again, but I couldn't let this statement slide either. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 06-05-2009 12:03
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jacknic wrote:
Huh? When was all this agreed as fact? Did you just accuse some 240 riders of being doped?
Don't really want to get into it with you again, but I couldn't let this statement slide either.
He made some outlandish statements based on nothing. I thought I'd reply sarcastically by making outlandish statements no one would take seriously. I failed, sorry 
I guess it's because I added some facts in there, that made it much less obvious it was sarcasm.
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| jacknic |
Posted on 06-05-2009 12:09
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issoisso wrote:
jacknic wrote:
Huh? When was all this agreed as fact? Did you just accuse some 240 riders of being doped?
Don't really want to get into it with you again, but I couldn't let this statement slide either.
He made some outlandish statements based on nothing. I thought I'd reply sarcastically by making outlandish statements no one would take seriously. I failed, sorry
I guess it's because I added some facts in there, that made it much less obvious it was sarcasm.
I guess so It was indeed a very cunning way to sneak in some propagandaB) |
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 06-05-2009 12:14
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i think the point that Ad was trying to make is that there are stronger continental teams who deserve a GT ride more then some of Pro-Tour teams, which I agree with. I'm not putting Bouygues (spelling) down, but there are stronger teams then them who would like their place and would probably make more use of it.
Yes they are always in breaks but thats because they aren't good enough to win sprints, hilly stages or mountain stages. Their best rider is a break-away specialist!
Another team is Euskaltel. Do they really care about the Giro. The Tour and Vuelta are more important so they will save their riders for them.
I think the main point is that Pro-Tour teams shouldn't be made to ride all pro-tour events. If a team doesn't want to ride it, like the spanish teams at the cobbled classics, then the places should be given to continental teams who do want to race it. Each team should have to ride a precentage of Peo-Tour races instead.
Hope you get my point. I'm not putting any team down but some teams clearly don't want to be at certain races. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 06-05-2009 12:25
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Yeah, but the thing is....the Giro isn't ProTour. ProTour teams had to apply along with others. The organizers chose those that they deeemed worthy. End of.
Euskaltel, Cofidis and FDJ for example didn't apply.
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| rjc_43 |
Posted on 06-05-2009 12:26
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So Simeoni was cursing the Giro organisers for not being clear on why some teams were invited, and they weren't. I think it's pretty clear. Race hard, like you mean it, and you get the invites. Bouygues can be depended upon to race like they mean it, because for them, Bouygues can be called a stepping stone for some of their riders. They know that if they put in the hard work, show their face off the front of the race they'll keep getting invited back, they'll keep their sponsor and they'll personally get a bigger and better contract. Hell, I know i'd prefer to see Bouygues at my local 2.1 race than LPR.
Euskaltel isn't in the giro for that exact reason ringo. All pro-tour team's are made to race all pro-tour events because that way the race sponsors are safe in the knowledge their event will get the best teams in them. In other words, return for their cash. Best teams means more people will watch it, the sponsors get the most return, and so continue to sponsor the race. That was the ideal of the protour, support the races and teams to ensure cycling remaining stable. Didn't really work due to the GT not wanting to follow that ideal, but then they didn't need sponsor reliability because they were always going to get sponsors for some of the biggest sporting events in the world.
And the teams that don't want to be at certain races send weaker teams for experience, which is vital to rider development. Or they take the "step-down" tactic like Cofidis was going to do for this season, but decided against.
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 06-05-2009 12:52
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issoisso wrote:
Yeah, but the thing is....the Giro isn't ProTour. ProTour teams had to apply along with others. The organizers chose those that they deeemed worthy. End of.
Euskaltel, Cofidis and FDJ for example didn't apply.
sorry, i misunderstood. i thought all GT were pro-tour. well if they've applied and been given a place then they must want to achieve something. |
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 06-05-2009 12:56
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and good points RJC. but surely having weak pro-tour squads is going to do less good then strong continental squads at a race.
but then i guess thats why the pro-tour is falling flat on it's arse at the moment
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| Ad |
Posted on 06-05-2009 14:43
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Yes ringo someone who actually understood what i was writing. I thiought cobo was riding  im gutted haha. Tbh i prefer seeing lpr at the tour of britain than bouygues. Look who they brought last year (di luca and petacchi) mmm thats a hard choice between the two teams You statements is stupid unless you sit at the half way point in the race adn watch a bougyues rider in the breakaway. |
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| rjc_43 |
Posted on 06-05-2009 14:58
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I personally hate riders convicted of doping, so I'd personally love to see Bouygues at ToB, as it would be supporting a clean sport. Or certainly more than LPR does. It digusted me that Di Luca and Pettachi were on the same soil as myself, let alone that they raced my countries tour. My statement is not "stupid" if you know anything about me, and what I stand for.
The ToB was all about breakaways, every stage had them, and it was the less well known riders who were doing better than those bigger ones. Given the choice between shaking the hands of some small unknown Bouygues French rider, and Di Luca's, I know who I'd go for anyday.
Di Luca also only rode the ToB as preparation for the World Champs, whereas by your own argument about teams entering the giro who are stronger, I could say the same about Bouygues, if they turned up, would probably want to race the ToB for what it is, not as preparation.
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| Juan |
Posted on 06-05-2009 18:30
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Will Paolini race or not, actually ? He's on every Acqua&Sapone roster I've seen, but according to CN, he'll miss the Giro 
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| doddy13 |
Posted on 07-05-2009 16:56
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As it's the centeinary(sp) giro L'equipe have put together a photo gallery from the Giro, and i think it's worth a look.
Link Below
https://www.lequip...0_HIS.html
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| giogua |
Posted on 07-05-2009 20:42
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have you the start list of the giro d'italia 2009 for the pcmdayli db?thanke you!!! |
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 07-05-2009 21:01
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well isso countdown had come to 1 and Giro will start..I need to get focused now.. |
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| stuartmcstuart |
Posted on 07-05-2009 21:07
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Guido Mukk wrote:
well isso countdown had come to 1 and Giro will start..I need to get focused now..
Indeed. I've already done the beer run for Saturday, its going to be a great day for me. Old Firm game and the Giro, will be a pleasure for the senses! |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 07-05-2009 21:14
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ISD have new, weird acid green jerseys for the Giro
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 07-05-2009 21:39
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issoisso wrote:
ISD have new, weird acid green jerseys for the Giro
any pics?
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| issoisso |
Posted on 07-05-2009 21:44
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