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| Stijn_vranken |
Posted on 26-11-2008 12:52
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Ruben wrote:
Because I am one of the very very few who know the exact story?
tells us i heard he got in trouble due to strange blood values? ( probably wrong though)
prevent hangovers --> stay drunk
pozzato, basically the most stupid cyclist around
RIP WW. Gone but not forgotten
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| ruben |
Posted on 26-11-2008 12:55
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That's the story Erik Dekker 'leaked' to the Volkskrant. However, it is denied by the UCI, the uci wrote Dekker a letter saying there is nothing wrong or suspect with his blood values. That same letter was requested by CSC and Silence Lotto and both teams said there was nothing wrong with his values.
But that wasn't the cause, that was just a lie by Rabobank to get rid of Dekker more easily  |
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| Deadpool |
Posted on 26-11-2008 13:13
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rjc_43 wrote:
Smoothie wrote:
Ive actually ordered a few tops similar to this  They look awesome
I am proud to announce that Smoothie has just entered the land of "The Chav"...
I have a bright red Tuxedo Jacket with sequins on it hanging in my closet......
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| rodda |
Posted on 26-11-2008 13:20
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thats just cool though. 
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| fenian_1234 |
Posted on 26-11-2008 13:30
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Come on then, Ruben. Spill the beans. |
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| Stijn_vranken |
Posted on 26-11-2008 13:42
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Ruben wrote:
That's the story Erik Dekker 'leaked' to the Volkskrant. However, it is denied by the UCI, the uci wrote Dekker a letter saying there is nothing wrong or suspect with his blood values. That same letter was requested by CSC and Silence Lotto and both teams said there was nothing wrong with his values.
But that wasn't the cause, that was just a lie by Rabobank to get rid of Dekker more easily
why would they want to get rid of him? 
prevent hangovers --> stay drunk
pozzato, basically the most stupid cyclist around
RIP WW. Gone but not forgotten
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 26-11-2008 14:09
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They found it suspicious that he wouldn't easily tell them about his habits with doctors ? Then he had suspicious-at-first-sight blood values that later turned out to be the consequences of an illness, but they wouldn't take the risk, so they got rid of him...
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| ruben |
Posted on 26-11-2008 14:14
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No, that's not even close to the truth. It has nothing to do with suspicious values. Sorry Aqua
There was already something going on waaay before that, and, as hard as it is for our favorite doping hunter to believe (Aqua) it has nothing to do with that at all. But I can't tell. All I say is that the people responsible for this are mainly Erik Dekker and Luuc Eisenga.
Edited by ruben on 26-11-2008 14:16
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| Xavier |
Posted on 26-11-2008 14:22
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why would they want to get rid of him? |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 26-11-2008 14:27
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I read in French media and forums that they had troubles knowing who was exactly his doctor, and to read his medical file (Dekker would purposely hide things) which raised their suspicion. That's what most stories told here.
Ruben : I would trust you, but, given your involvement in TD Magazine and such, as long as it's about Dekker you'll tend to trust informations from his side and refuse to give much credit to informations from the other side. In short : you're very partial about T.Dekker. |
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| Xavier |
Posted on 26-11-2008 14:33
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he lubs him <3 |
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| ruben |
Posted on 26-11-2008 14:39
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Aquarius wrote:
I read in French media and forums that they had troubles knowing who was exactly his doctor, and to read his medical file (Dekker would purposely hide things) which raised their suspicion. That's what most stories told here.
Ruben : I would trust you, but, given your involvement in TD Magazine and such, as long as it's about Dekker you'll tend to trust informations from his side and refuse to give much credit to informations from the other side. In short : you're very partial about T.Dekker. I read the French media, and they completely mistranslated and misinterpretated the Dutch media's 'reports' 
What you say in the first 3 sentences is 100% bullshit. Not 1 word of it is true They didn't have problems with his medical files and his doctor is simply the Rabo team doctor. Dunno how the French media got such messages, but I read the L'Equipe message about Dekker and already had to laugh hard. No wonder you French people have such a (for me) ridicolous view on things. Your media is fvcked up
Even in Dutch media and at yes, even at Rabobank, they would laugh about the story the French are appearently spreading. That's just completely off.
Edit 2: I wonder where they got the doctor story from, that's just 100% invented, that's not even in the wildest Dutch media story.
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| knasen |
Posted on 26-11-2008 14:55
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The Giro samples will be rechecked for CERA. Fun to see how clean Ricco was. And if the finally can catch Di Luca. |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 26-11-2008 14:57
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Here's an example of it : https://www.coach3...n-va.shtml
"notably refusing to show his medical file to his team and disagreeing about the antidoping stance".
Here's another one :
https://209.85.129...&gl=fr
(not on the site anymore, I had to use google's cache)
"According to the Dutch Press Agency ANP, which was quoting Rabo's directors, Dekker was reluctant to show his medical file to his team after being questioned for his suspicious blood values". And this one is a Belgian site, not a French one...
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The Giro samples will be rechecked for CERA. Fun to see how clean Ricco was. And if the finally can catch Di Luca. That's a great news. Now imagine Contador would be busted... He got cyclist of the year awards here and there lately... you can trust riders for not being caught with products that can be found at the moment, but retroactive testing would be lethal for cheaters (if Contador is one, who knows ? )
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| Xavier |
Posted on 26-11-2008 15:30
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and why would they want to get rid of him? |
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| Stijn_vranken |
Posted on 26-11-2008 16:37
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MortChill wrote:
and why would they want to get rid of him?
idem again....
Ruben you're dutch --> find it out
prevent hangovers --> stay drunk
pozzato, basically the most stupid cyclist around
RIP WW. Gone but not forgotten
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| lagetcher |
Posted on 26-11-2008 16:45
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knasen wrote:
The Giro samples will be rechecked for CERA. Fun to see how clean Ricco was. And if the finally can catch Di Luca.
Good news. Maybe Contador hasn't escaped after all |
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| ruben |
Posted on 26-11-2008 17:11
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Well Aquarius, it is simply not true. Thomas Dekker signed his medical files at the very beginning of the season. He even wanted to scan it to prove it, but then Rabobank already retracted their statement, which was made by Knebel. Knebel himself wasn't informed, the others were.
So another great example of how miscommunciation led to stupid news. The Dutch news is corrected the day after. However, these 'corrections' somehow never make it outside the Netherlands. No miracle riders get bad reps that way.
You still haven't answered the part about 'who his doctor is' though. That was the weirdest news because I haven't read that anywhere.
I still think the France version is the most distorted and wrong version I've heard of all year. Man those journalists are doing a bad job over there fact checking.
Edited by ruben on 26-11-2008 17:13
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| Xavier |
Posted on 26-11-2008 17:22
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so why would they want to get rid of him? |
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 26-11-2008 17:33
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Ruben wrote:
alexkr00 wrote:
Ruben wrote:
alexkr00 wrote:
schleck93 wrote:
Thomas Dekker will be riding the Rotherdam six-day race.
I don't like this guy anymore after the fight with Rabobank Blame Erik Dekker for that. I don't like Erik Dekker, Harold Knebel and Luuc Eisenga anymore.
Btw, did you notice that with E.Dekker and Knebel Rabo had their worst season last year since the start?
They'll be having an even worse season next year without Thomas Dekker 8) idiots
In the classics but in the Tour they've got the best performance ever, if Menchov will get the third place after Kohl positive and I think that Giro too If that's all you care about. The Dutch fans however don't, they don't like a Russian leader as well.
Anyway, I know what happened between T.Dekker and Rabobank, and if anyone is to blame, it's 85% rabobank, 10% press and 5% t.dekker. So dunno why it is a reason to dislike T.Dekker
I liked hime because he was at Rabo, now it isn't so I don't like him anymore. Ok, maybe you don't want a russian team leader but there isn't a dutch rider that can do GTs except Dekker and Gesink, that are very young specialy Gesink. I think that Dekker is one week rider rather than an GT one while Gesink is a pure climber, he was some weakness at TT and he was at only 2nd season with the big team and so he hasn't very much importanted races and experience
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