Cossack wrote:
Read Vaughters'article about McQuaid, Verbruggen, and also Tour of Beijing, then argue with others: https://www.cyclin...n-cookson/
Yes, we really need a race generating 700k loss every year, covered partially by teams' funds.
Pais Vasco, San Sebastian, Plouay all also had to be funded b the UC in the last two years. Cancel them too?
Also, I would be interested to see what percentage of the loss comes from the teams money, and actually just the hole accounts for the Tour of Beijing. I'd like to see how much Verbruggen is skimming off the top.
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Cossack wrote:
Read Vaughters'article about McQuaid, Verbruggen, and also Tour of Beijing, then argue with others: https://www.cyclin...n-cookson/
Yes, we really need a race generating 700k loss every year, covered partially by teams' funds.
Pais Vasco, San Sebastian, Plouay all also had to be funded b the UC in the last two years. Cancel them too?
Also, I would be interested to see what percentage of the loss comes from the teams money, and actually just the hole accounts for the Tour of Beijing. I'd like to see how much Verbruggen is skimming off the top.
This situations are completely different. Beijing was set up by the UCI's global body as a profit making venture, which has so far not panned out. Those races on the other hand were funded by an emergency fund that exists specifically for that purpose. You can't compare the two.
Among the reforms proposed were "a First and Second Division, with fewer riders in each team and fewer racing days each year for the riders," said the UCI. "Further the current annual sporting assessment would be replaced by an automatic promotion/relegation mechanism and the season would be ideally scheduled to take place during a more compact period of the year (between February and October).
This can be a good move to less inhuman riders, but that would also need actual will of riders to stop doping. I think as it stands now, we would have dopres even in one -day long season.
I dont get why so much people have problems with racing in China or other distant and not so cycling developed country. Are we some elitists, to stop them from developing the love for cycling races? Globalization of sport is always good for the sport, because it means more money, more fans and more cyclists in the long run. It is not easy to establish of course, remember even Tour had very bad years in its start as the cycling race.
On the other hand, i would like more the new reborn Peace race.
And isso, you just found week ago or so, that Pat can be the puppet of Hein and you will now say it again and again? After you were just saying for long that Pat is to blame for everything bad in cycling, now he is just nobody who is being pupetted? Edited by Avin Wargunnson on 25-09-2013 06:53
Cossack wrote:
Read Vaughters'article about McQuaid, Verbruggen, and also Tour of Beijing, then argue with others: https://www.cyclin...n-cookson/
Yes, we really need a race generating 700k loss every year, covered partially by teams' funds.
Being from Poland, i would not speak too loud about bad cycling races, as this years Pologne Tour was one big joke. Edited by Avin Wargunnson on 25-09-2013 06:54
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
I dont get why so much people have problems with racing in China or other distant and not so cycling developed country. Are we some elitists, to stop them from developing the love for cycling races? Globalization of sport is always good for the sport, because it means more money, more fans and more cyclists in the long run. It is not easy to establish of course, remember even Tour had very bad years in its start as the cycling race.
On the other hand, i would like more the new reborn Peace race.
And isso, you just found week ago or so, that Pat can be the puppet of Hein and you will now say it again and again? After you were just saying for long that Pat is to blame for everything bad in cycling, now he is just nobody who is being pupetted?
I don't really have a problem with San Luis or Tour Down Under, but China is a whole different story. It's been created by Verbrugghen, with the teams' money, for his own benefit, in a country with no cycling culture or interest. It's all to his benefit, and all the benefits are his.
Get the difference ?
Also, not that I want to answer for him, but I don't think issoisso was around in the CyM/PCM community circa 2005 (when PMQ replaced HV).
Still, if the archives could be found or read somewhere, which I don't think it's possible, Cyanide have changed their forums a couple of times since then, and I don't have access to PPDB any more, but already back then, many people were fearing that McQuaid would be nothing but Verbruggen's straw man.
Say I have a fetish for the Russian government if you wish, but that was pretty much like Medvedev replacing Putin for 4 years a couple of years ago. At least Putin didn't pretend to have retired in between.
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
I dont get why so much people have problems with racing in China or other distant and not so cycling developed country. Are we some elitists, to stop them from developing the love for cycling races? Globalization of sport is always good for the sport, because it means more money, more fans and more cyclists in the long run. It is not easy to establish of course, remember even Tour had very bad years in its start as the cycling race.
On the other hand, i would like more the new reborn Peace race.
And isso, you just found week ago or so, that Pat can be the puppet of Hein and you will now say it again and again? After you were just saying for long that Pat is to blame for everything bad in cycling, now he is just nobody who is being pupetted?
I don't really have a problem with San Luis or Tour Down Under, but China is a whole different story. It's been created by Verbrugghen, with the teams' money, for his own benefit, in a country with no cycling culture or interest. It's all to his benefit, and all the benefits are his.
Get the difference ?
Also, not that I want to answer for him, but I don't think issoisso was around in the CyM/PCM community circa 2005 (when PMQ replaced HV).
Still, if the archives could be found or read somewhere, which I don't think it's possible, Cyanide have changed their forums a couple of times since then, and I don't have access to PPDB any more, but already back then, many people were fearing that McQuaid would be nothing but Verbruggen's straw man.
Say I have a fetish for the Russian government if you wish, but that was pretty much like Medvedev replacing Putin for 4 years a couple of years ago. At least Putin didn't pretend to have retired in between.
They have lot of bicycles there...
Die hard fan of Tom Boonen and Quickstep since 2004.
I don't have a issue with them racing in China as its good that the sport grows but they should grow the races 1st before making them top tier events. The TDU took a few years to gain WT status and look at San Luis, it is a success like Langkawi without needing to be top tier. By all means grow the sport but give the races time to build a culture around them and gain the community plus the world wide cycling community's support.
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Great news - the Peace Race could really likely be back for the next season. McQuaid and Cookson both support the idea to push the race back to UCI calendar and it could be as high as in HC category. It would be raced in Czech Republic, Poland, Slovakia and likely in Hungary as well.
My guess is that Bakala, the owner of OPQS, would be the biggest sponsor of the race. My hopes are really high, if it will be all done as it was presented in Czech medias today, it could be a really, really great race once again.
Incredible. So the UCI rules are worth nothing and everyone can piss and shit over them whenever they want? Acquarone is a clown, but the UCI is to blame here for allowing him to.
Edit: Good to hear about the Peace Race. Do you have a link for some info Roman, or is it only in the printed media?
Edited by kumazan on 25-09-2013 09:50
Roman wrote:
Great news - the Peace Race could really likely be back for the next season. McQuaid and Cookson both support the idea to push the race back to UCI calendar and it could be as high as in HC category. It would be raced in Czech Republic, Poland, Slovakia and likely in Hungary as well.
My guess is that Bakala, the owner of OPQS, would be the biggest sponsor of the race. My hopes are really high, if it will be all done as it was presented in Czech medias today, it could be a really, really great race once again.
With problems with mines etc. I don't think, that people in Czech rep. would like seeing that, mainly in Silesia (which will be part of the race, I suppose).
On the other hand - I found a great hill for end of stage.
Die hard fan of Tom Boonen and Quickstep since 2004.
Hopefully Czech Televison aren't ruining their reputation with some half-truths and half-lies from people from Czech Cycling Union, who for example already ruined Praha-Karlovy Vary-Praha and it is now raced under name Bohemia Tour and it was raced from Ceske Budejovice to Prague this year, as they didn't want a big race in Czechia to be not raced under their influences...
@kubys: Yeah, at the current time, when there are big problems around Bakala's OKD and our president is speaking about that situation and about Bakala really not in the best possible words, it is quite a bad timing for announcing some news now.
Anyway, there could be many fantastically looking stages in Czechia, Slovakia and southern part of Poland. The question is - how many stages would be raced. The possible if only maybe small chance of making back a future semi-GT race is making me really, really happy.
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Being from Poland, i would not speak too loud about bad cycling races, as this years Pologne Tour was one big joke.
Your other arguments were already answered, so I won't reply to them, but just this one. Tour de Pologne is funded by Lang Team and UCI doesn't have to help it, plus this year it was just an ultra-terrible TV coverage by Polish TV, not entirely Lang's fault and I don't see any more reasons to complain. Hope some point Eurosport will become the broadcaster.
