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| Stijn_vranken |
Posted on 29-10-2008 22:17
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Ruben wrote:
I love muddy crosses, too bad most of the crosses nowadays are on hard surface or sand and with many corners... high-speed. "new cross" they call it, i hate it.
i don't the sand
i mind the races with average of around the 25-30 km/h.
thats no longer cross.
to Valor. muddy earth compared to muddy ice is very different. if oyu have ever done cyclocross you must have felt that.
i did. muddy ice is still quite solid ( in most cases)
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Posted on 29-10-2008 22:29
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Funny thing is that Belgians best rider for the future, Niels Albert, is a specialist at these high speed or corner crosses...lol 
So i have a feeling they will make even more of those
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| Smoothie |
Posted on 29-10-2008 22:32
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I suppose thats why it was a bit of a surprise then that he won.
What does Boom like. I would have thought that dry would be his game because of his skill on the road. |
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Posted on 29-10-2008 22:53
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No, Boom sucks at corners. He is a really good rider in the muddy crosses with long straights. He has a lot of power.
Last year he won Pijnacker, Lievin and Hoogerheide world cups, all mud crosses...
the worls he won was mainly because of great form, not because the race was suited for him, it wasn't really. |
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| Stijn_vranken |
Posted on 29-10-2008 23:10
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Ruben wrote:
No, Boom sucks at corners. He is a really good rider in the muddy crosses with long straights. He has a lot of power.
Last year he won Pijnacker, Lievin and Hoogerheide world cups, all mud crosses...
the worls he won was mainly because of great form, not because the race was suited for him, it wasn't really.
muddy? in a 100% muddy race, he won't win either.
Boom is a bit the all arounder TT.
Like you said Boom likes long long straigth lines, so he can use his TT-skill.
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| Stijn_vranken |
Posted on 29-10-2008 23:13
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Ruben wrote:
No, Boom sucks at corners. He is a really good rider in the muddy crosses with long straights. He has a lot of power.
Last year he won Pijnacker, Lievin and Hoogerheide world cups, all mud crosses...
the worls he won was mainly because of great form, not because the race was suited for him, it wasn't really.
muddy? in a 100% muddy race, he won't win either.
Riding in mud is technique just like cutting corners. thats why albert will always be better in the muddy races.
Boom is a bit the all arounder TT.
Like you said Boom likes long long straigth lines, so he can use his TT-skill.
sorry about the dubbel post ....
Edited by Stijn_vranken on 29-10-2008 23:14
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| ruben |
Posted on 29-10-2008 23:27
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You clearly haven't seen Hoogerheide and Lievin last year. That was 100% muddy, especially Hoogerheide...
Good joke though, Albert better than Boom in mud races, you are funny.
Edited by ruben on 29-10-2008 23:29
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| Stijn_vranken |
Posted on 30-10-2008 10:00
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ive seen them all. believe me.
Boom is good at muddy races ( i don't deny that) but albert is still beter.
why do you think that boom and not albert became WC at the u23?
it was an icy solid parcours . i was there. he won due to his TT-skils
i go to a lot of cyclocrosses. Take an example Hooglede last year.
it was NYs vs Boom for a long time( i'm not taking the late revival of welles in mind).
Nys constantly attacked on the muddy terrain. Boom lost time constantly on the muddy turns/pieces of the parcours. but in that parcours there is also a long strech near the water ( small lake)
and boom constantly took back time on that.
i can give you tons of examples.......
Boom is a good cyclocrosser (no doubt about that) and he's quite good in the mud( no doubt about that). But he's better at solid sterrains so he can use his TT-skills ( see the WC).
I'm sure that he will once reacht the level of a Nys/wellens in the mud
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| ruben |
Posted on 30-10-2008 10:58
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Wrong again, Boom sucked at icy solid races, it was Stybar who profited from that and won the U23 championship twice.
The third the time race was MUDDT and Boom completely destroyed Albert (+1m30) |
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| Stijn_vranken |
Posted on 30-10-2008 16:02
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dude seriously stop being so patriotic 
when we look to last year, ive seen albert begin better in the mud
when you look at the classifications in U23. then Boom was far from better then Albert.
you make it sound like boom is superman. so i wonder do you even follow cyclocross? or are you just routing for boom?
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| Valor |
Posted on 30-10-2008 16:28
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Just a little intervention:
Boom is one of the best riders on mud, but i haven't seen him on mud yet (thanks to czech TV) and neither I have seen Albert. I'm sure Pijnacker will tell the truth.
But there's one more thing: Despite many pelople say Stybar is dry and icy rider and Dlask is the muddy one, both could score good on their unfavourised courses in the past.
So I have a teory that will be total opposite of Ruben's and Vranke's ones: When rider is well prepared, he can score good even on the terrain he does not like (Stybar on mud, Boom on snow and Boonen in high mountains). |
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Posted on 30-10-2008 16:46
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Valor wrote:
So I have a teory that will be total opposite of Ruben's and Vranke's ones: When rider is well prepared, he can score good even on the terrain he does not like (Stybar on mud, Boom on snow and Boonen in high mountains).
thats right. still one race can't make you determine whether he's a good mud racer.I 'm looking over the course the season. the tournaments WB- GVA-superprestige. off course Boom is good at some races , thats because he aims at those races...
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| Valor |
Posted on 31-10-2008 12:20
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Is it possible to watch GvA trofee veldrijden on-line? I know VT4 broadcasts superprestige, but I'd really like to watch GvA too. |
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| Stijn_vranken |
Posted on 31-10-2008 13:49
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i believe zattoo send out vt4.
its a program free downloadable .
you just have to find make an account.
Edited by Stijn_vranken on 31-10-2008 15:11
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| Valor |
Posted on 31-10-2008 14:33
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Vorig jaar was Sven Nys de beste op de Koppenberg. Of hij ook dit jaar iedereen weet te verschalken en zijn vijfde zege op rij pakt, kan je hier LIVE volgen. VRT en sport.be werken samen om ook via het web alles van de GVA trofee te kunnen volgen. Je kan de cross integraal via een livestream volgen vanaf 15u.
What does this means? I guess it's something like I can follow Gva trofee live on sport.be. |
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| mrlol |
Posted on 31-10-2008 14:39
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thats what it comes down to, yes. |
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| ruben |
Posted on 31-10-2008 14:59
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Too bad I'm not going to be able to see it  |
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| Stijn_vranken |
Posted on 31-10-2008 15:11
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normally you can follow any cycling race on www.sporza.be ( tdf - vuelta-giro)
don't know for sure about cyclocross though
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| mrlol |
Posted on 31-10-2008 15:30
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and I'm not sure if sporza.be is viewable for people outside of Belgium. |
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| 0buKKaKe |
Posted on 31-10-2008 16:31
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if anybody is interested in watching this yrs cyclocross season, just pm me and ill guide you to a place where im uploading all the races (Kalmhout and Tabor so far) from Sporza  |
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