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| kumazan |
Posted on 20-09-2012 17:58
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Don't get your hopes up, nothing will happen. At best, and I find it unlikely, Fuentes could get a short prison sentence (and even in that case, it's likely that he wouldn't put a foot in jail), but that's about it.
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| sutty68 |
Posted on 20-09-2012 17:59
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Great to know that Wiggins will be in Lombardia  |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 20-09-2012 18:32
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issoisso wrote:
Of course there are exceptions. There are long stages which are exciting, as with anything. But shorter stages are far more often better.
That's true, but somehow, I don't feel it's what road cycling is about.
I think road cycling is, of course, about attacking, dropping opponents, etc. but it's also about being strong after many many hours on the bike. I see professional road cycling as an endurance sport (not necessarily an extreme endurance sport - some cyclosportive races last 24+ hours).
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 20-09-2012 19:06
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Incase it hasn't been posted yet; the 2016 WC will be held in... *drum roll*... QATAR!
https://www.cyclin...mpionships
Jesus Christ, unless the good people of Qatar builds an artifical Alpe' d'Huez or something, the road race might turn out to be the most boring in history.
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Posted on 20-09-2012 19:09
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You forgot Zolder, didn't you?
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| kumazan |
Posted on 20-09-2012 19:14
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And Copenhagen. Thankfully the worst consequence of that crap will end this Sunday.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 20-09-2012 19:52
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I don't see a problem with it to be honest. WCs should be run on all kinds of courses. The problem I see is the courses aren't different enough.
We need more cobbles and mountains.
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 20-09-2012 19:55
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issoisso wrote:
I don't see a problem with it to be honest. WCs should be run on all kinds of courses. The problem I see is the courses aren't different enough.
We need more cobbles and mountains.
Exactly that. The world championships should encompass all types of terrain (sadly not all at the same time). |
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| Deadpool |
Posted on 20-09-2012 20:25
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issoisso wrote:
I don't see a problem with it to be honest. WCs should be run on all kinds of courses. The problem I see is the courses aren't different enough.
We need more cobbles and mountains.
I think the primary reason we don't see as many of either are those is that the WC has settled into a tradition of being a circuit race, which obviously neither of those really work on. Plus, they're both significantly more random than hilly races, with control breakaways in mountains and limiting flats and crashes on cobbles very difficult. The powers at be only want to give the impression that anyone can win the rainbow jersey, they actually want it to be a big star.
Could you imagine if they held the worlds on a full on mountain stage and some no name Columbian rider won? I mean, it'd be awesome, but people would hate it. |
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 20-09-2012 20:45
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Deadpool wrote:
issoisso wrote:
I don't see a problem with it to be honest. WCs should be run on all kinds of courses. The problem I see is the courses aren't different enough.
We need more cobbles and mountains.
I think the primary reason we don't see as many of either are those is that the WC has settled into a tradition of being a circuit race, which obviously neither of those really work on. Plus, they're both significantly more random than hilly races, with control breakaways in mountains and limiting flats and crashes on cobbles very difficult. The powers at be only want to give the impression that anyone can win the rainbow jersey, they actually want it to be a big star.
Could you imagine if they held the worlds on a full on mountain stage and some no name Columbian rider won? I mean, it'd be awesome, but people would hate it.
I think mountains just limit the winners to much. A tour mountain stage only ever has about 4 possible winners, which is dull for a one day race, whereas a race like tomorrow, any one of 20 has a decent shot.
 [url=www.pcmdaily.com/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=33182] Team Santander Media Thread[/url]
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| issoisso |
Posted on 20-09-2012 21:03
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Oh but we've had mountain worlds before. Just not often.
The last time was 17 years ago. A stage racer noted for his weakness in the mountains won.
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 20-09-2012 21:05
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I think a somewhat hilly course is the best way to go. It means riders like Cav, Farrar, etc. will have to struggle abit to hang on whilst riders like Schleck x2, Wiggins, Quintana, etc. will have to try to attack and cause some damage in the hills.
A WC-course can't be to flat, to mountanious or to cobbled. It would simply narrow down the list of possible winners to much. I feel that a route such as Copenhagen or Qatar is basicly handing over the rainbow jersey to a sprinter.
The only problem with hilly routes is that it is almost like handing it over to Gilbert and his kind. The simple fact is that no matter what you do, some riders will always be better suited to winning the WC than others.
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 20-09-2012 21:07
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cactus-jack wrote:
I think a somewhat hilly course is the best way to go. It means riders like Cav, Farrar, etc. will have to struggle abit to hang on whilst riders like Schleck x2, Wiggins, Quintana, etc. will have to try to attack and cause some damage in the hills.
A WC-course can't be to flat, to mountanious or to cobbled. It would simply narrow down the list of possible winners to much. I feel that a route such as Copenhagen or Qatar is basicly handing over the rainbow jersey to a sprinter.
The only problem with hilly routes is that it is almost like handing it over to Gilbert and his kind. The simple fact is that no matter what you do, some riders will always be better suited to winning the WC than others.
The solution to this, is never have an uphill finish. And never have a race without a launchpad. That way there will always be some excitement.
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 20-09-2012 21:09
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I suggest putting cobbles on Mont Ventoux.
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Posted on 20-09-2012 21:12
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cactus-jack wrote:
I suggest putting cobbles on Mont Ventoux.
This. 
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| lokytrew |
Posted on 20-09-2012 21:46
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Qatar could be interesting though. With lots of wind and splitting groups it might be epic actually.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 20-09-2012 21:49
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cactus-jack wrote:
I suggest putting cobbles on Mont Ventoux.
Wind + Mountain + Cobbles?
You're some sort of genius type person!
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 20-09-2012 21:51
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Cactus, you sir win the Internet. |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 20-09-2012 21:58
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issoisso wrote:
cactus-jack wrote:
I suggest putting cobbles on Mont Ventoux.
Wind + Mountain + Cobbles?
You're some sort of genius type person! But I want the finish downstairs, erm, I mean downhill, so that Andy Schleck gets one more reason to whine. |
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 20-09-2012 22:00
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cactus-jack wrote:
I suggest putting cobbles on Mont Ventoux.
but the finish would have to not be on top, so sprinters will have a chance.
There is nothing wrong with a cobble, flat, mountain, hilly, WC as long as its rotated every year.
17 since a mountain finish is too long.
It narrows down the number of winners but otherwise someone like Rolland is not going to ever have a chance.
Simple to fix;
2012 - Hilly
2013 - Cobbles
2014 - Flat
2015 - Mountain
2016 - Hilly
etc. Would allow all types of rider a chance every 5 years. Some riders would have more chances like Cancellara, Boonen, Schleck types who can do several things.
Same with the ITT. Have some variation like combine an MTT with a Flat RR (where possible). Hilly TT's (properly, not like once over the Cauberg) and TT's over cobbles. May mean we see different winners more often.
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