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Tour de France '10 Stage 19 Bordeaux - Pauillac
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 24-07-2010 16:44
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CrueTrue wrote:
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Contador attacked on Tourmalet, but didn't get away.
We don't know what would have happened - in the same way that we don't know what would have happened if everyone had decided to ride on stage 2, leaving the Schlecks behind.
yes but it was only a half hearted attempt which he gave up on pretty quickly. i still think contador is the stronger climber, if only very slightly. on the mountain stages he took time out of schleck. if he really needed to i'd still be confident that contador could have dropped schleck.
the most supprising thing has been contadors apparent lack of, and Schlecks sudden uncovering of TTing ability. next year could be quite interesting.
Not counting the stage with the mechanical problem, they took 10 secs on each other on the other mountain stages. How can you say they were not evenly matched?
i didnt say they were not evenly matched. I said they were very similar with contador being slightly better.
when contador wanted to he dropped schleck and took 10 seconds. after that he didn't need to do anything but sit on schlecks wheel. we'll never know what would have happened without the mechanical but i would still put money on contador making time on schleck in the mountains if he really needed to. |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 24-07-2010 16:45
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When Contador wanted to? Did he want to lose 10 secs to Schleck then? |
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| fightinchicken26 |
Posted on 24-07-2010 16:46
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ringo182 wrote:when contador wanted to he dropped schleck and took 10 seconds.
When Schleck wanted to, he gained 10 seconds... |
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| ruben |
Posted on 24-07-2010 16:46
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tt of gc men
11. MENCHOV Denis 191 RABOBANK 1h 04' 47"
35. CONTADOR Alberto 1 ASTANA 1h 06' 39" + 01' 52"
40. SANCHEZ Samuel 181 EUSKALTEL - EUSKADI 1h 06' 47" + 02' 00"
44. SCHLECK Andy 11 TEAM SAXO BANK 1h 07' 10" + 02' 23"
52. HESJEDAL Ryder 54 GARMIN - TRANSITIONS 1h 07' 36" + 02' 49"
69. HORNER Christopher 23 TEAM RADIOSHACK 1h 08' 04" + 03' 17"
71. VAN DEN BROECK Jurgen 101 OMEGA PHARMA - LOTTO 1h 08' 06" + 03' 19"
82. KREUZIGER Roman 44 LIQUIGAS-DOIMO 1h 08' 21" + 03' 34"
109. GESINK Robert 195 RABOBANK 1h 09' 29" + 04' 42"
154. RODRIGUEZ OLIVER Joaquin 77 KATUSHA TEAM 1h 11' 13" + 6' 26"
Remarkable Menchov |
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 24-07-2010 16:49
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CrueTrue wrote:
When Contador wanted to? Did he want to lose 10 secs to Schleck then?
oops. soory. forgot about stage 8. 
i still think contador could have put in more of an attack on the tourmalet if he wanted to though. schleck gave 100% to drop him and contador just sat on his wheel. he never even looked in trouble. |
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| Roman |
Posted on 24-07-2010 17:02
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Hmmmm. 39 seconds? So the gap between Contador and Schleck would been now 0 seconds if no chain fell off, yeah?
Who would wear the yellow jersey then? I think it depends on thousandths of overall time in time trials, right?
So the question is, who should have the yellow jersey then?
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| doddy13 |
Posted on 24-07-2010 17:03
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Roman wrote:
Hmmmm. 39 seconds? So the gap between Contador and Schleck would been now 0 seconds if no chain fell off, yeah?
Who would wear the yellow jersey then? I think it depends on thousandths of overall time in time trials, right?
So the question is, who should have the yellow jersey then?
Pretty sure it's Contador.
There's no point slapping a schleck - Sean Kelly on "Who needs a slap"
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| jack888 |
Posted on 24-07-2010 17:10
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Contador wouldn't of choked so bad today if he was the underdog (30 seconds down today) and had a real target in his mind other than "stay ahead of Andy". |
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 24-07-2010 17:19
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jack888 wrote:
Contador wouldn't of choked so bad today if he was the underdog (30 seconds down today) and had a real target in his mind other than "stay ahead of Andy".
did he choke? or did he just do what he needed to do to win? |
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 24-07-2010 18:42
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good luck with If discussion. I am out for it.
Best man won a tour. No magic. |
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 24-07-2010 18:49
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Guido Mukk wrote:
good luck with If discussion. I am out for it.
Best man won a tour. No magic.
Exactly. |
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| doddy13 |
Posted on 24-07-2010 19:02
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Anouncer before the TDF highlights show on ITV "It's the only time trial of the Tournament"
*facepalm*
There's no point slapping a schleck - Sean Kelly on "Who needs a slap"
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| E_Hagen |
Posted on 24-07-2010 19:20
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It's quite remarkable that if Schleck didn't snap his chain up Bales, this would be a real thriller, even more than this... |
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| schleck93 |
Posted on 24-07-2010 20:07
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E_Hagen wrote:
It's quite remarkable that if Schleck didn't snap his chain up Bales, this would be a real thriller, even more than this...
But if he hadn't lost his chain he wouldn't have ridden up Tourmalet fullspeed and Menchov may not have lost time and Menchov would have won the tour with half a minute.
Conspiracies are fun right. |
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| E_Hagen |
Posted on 24-07-2010 20:29
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And if everyone else lose 4 hours tomorrow, Malori will win the Tour... |
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| depappie |
Posted on 24-07-2010 20:34
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maybe he (and his team) should handle his bike better |
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 24-07-2010 20:38
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The strongest rider wins the Tour. That's it, Contador was better than Schleck.
It's not fair to say that Contador won the Tour because of Schleck's chain incident since the Spanish also had mechanical problems in the cobbled stage but no one waited for him. Even his team - mate has pushing harder and harder.
Not to mention that some favorites were blocked for a few moments by the other Schleck's fall, while Andy who was in Cancellara's wheel started to get away.
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| ruben |
Posted on 24-07-2010 21:42
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Contador claims he had some off-days in this years Tour. There were some stages where he had the feeling of last year. But other stages (he doesn't want to tell which), he felt worse than last year.
So the feeling that most people had, that Contador wasn't so strong as last year, is correct.
Also logical, since in some stages he couldn't drop Menchov or Sanchez with his acceleration either... |
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| fightinchicken26 |
Posted on 24-07-2010 21:53
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Phil Liggett kept talking about how RadioShack's team classification lead of about eight minutes coming into today was in serious danger with flops from all of their major riders. I just now see that they actually were almost a minute better than Caisse d'Epargne today. |
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| Smowz |
Posted on 24-07-2010 22:06
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I think this has been a really interesting TdF, the chain snapping was a shame mainly for the discussions afterwards.
Following the Tormalet, we had the nagging feeling that Contador may not be putting quite as much time into the clearly improved Schleck. This does set up the next couple of years really nicely for a real battle between these two. Potential for team changes will be rife and also their season plans will be interesting.
Elsewhere, I think Menchov showed his best, he has won the GT's he has mainly on the TT's, although he has this ability to kick at the end of climbs also. Sammy Sanchez surprised us, not quite a breakthrough result, he has done well at Vuelta's in the past - but not all Spanish riders have converted good Vuelta's to good tours.
Cannot make my mind up who has broken through more out of Van Den Broeck or Hesjadel. Ryder Hesjadel has been having an absolutely amazing season and is a real credit to Garmin, sticking two fingers up to Wiggins and the Sky team. Likewise Van Den Broeck and Lotto at Evans! Both have shown a willingness to attack, have battled hard this year - just great results.
Rodriguez and Gesink are not going to win GTs' with this kind of TT. Both are probably better suited to the hilly classics and short stage race variety for which they have done well this year.
Kreuzinger, Lofkvist, Roche could do something in the future.. but I cannot see them ever being able to rival their contempleries Schleck or Contador maybe a punt at one of the other GTs?
Hooray for Radioshack, won the Team Classification against Caisse d'Epargne. Whats that Horner is 10th... no no no this tour was one too far for the GC ambitions of Leipheimer and Armstrong.
Team Sky, I am excited about Thomas. Wiggins... nah thats it never going to be the TdF miracle unless they really tone down the mountains. He did do pretty well today.
Tomorrow the battle for green... now that will be exciting. |
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