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| doddy13 |
Posted on 20-05-2010 19:34
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The International Cycling Union (UCI) categorically rejects accusations made by Mr Floyd Landis, in particular the allegation that a positive doping result by Lance Armstrong during the 2002 Tour of Switzerland was concealed after an agreement was reached between the American rider, his directeur sportif Mr Johan Bruyneel and the former UCI President, Mr Hein Verbruggen.
Deeply shocked by the gravity of this statement, which considerably impinges on the honour of all persons who have dedicated themselves to the fight against doping, the UCI wishes to clearly state that it has never changed or concealed a positive test result.
The accusation by Mr Floyd Landis, guilty himself of a breach of the Anti-Doping Rules in 2006, is thus completely unfounded and the UCI can only express its outrage at this new attempt to harm the image of cycling. Our sport has long paid a heavy price for the fraudulent behaviour of individuals such as Floyd Landis and we cannot accept the principles governing our work being challenged in terms of their ethics and honesty by a person who has not hesitated to breach such principles.
By way of information, the UCI would like to point out that Lance Armstrong did not participate in the 2002 Tour of Switzerland.
Finally, the UCI wishes to make clear that it will undertake all necessary measures to defend its honour as well as the honour of all its executives who have been unfairly accused by Mr Floyd Landis.
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| rjc_43 |
Posted on 20-05-2010 19:37
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fenian_1234 wrote:
rjc_43 wrote:
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I want the $500 I contributed to the Floyd is Innocent campaign back again. 
Always going to happen though when he didn't get a decent ride anywhere.
You actually donated money to him? Wow, you just plummeted in my opinion... 
We need a sarcasm smiley. 
Totally agree! AaB-ern!
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| issoisso |
Posted on 20-05-2010 19:42
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doddy13 wrote:
The International Cycling Union (UCI) categorically rejects accusations made by Mr Floyd Landis, in particular the allegation that a positive doping result by Lance Armstrong during the 2002 Tour of Switzerland was concealed after an agreement was reached between the American rider, his directeur sportif Mr Johan Bruyneel and the former UCI President, Mr Hein Verbruggen.
Deeply shocked by the gravity of this statement, which considerably impinges on the honour of all persons who have dedicated themselves to the fight against doping, the UCI wishes to clearly state that it has never changed or concealed a positive test result.
The accusation by Mr Floyd Landis, guilty himself of a breach of the Anti-Doping Rules in 2006, is thus completely unfounded and the UCI can only express its outrage at this new attempt to harm the image of cycling. Our sport has long paid a heavy price for the fraudulent behaviour of individuals such as Floyd Landis and we cannot accept the principles governing our work being challenged in terms of their ethics and honesty by a person who has not hesitated to breach such principles.
By way of information, the UCI would like to point out that Lance Armstrong did not participate in the 2002 Tour of Switzerland.
Finally, the UCI wishes to make clear that it will undertake all necessary measures to defend its honour as well as the honour of all its executives who have been unfairly accused by Mr Floyd Landis.
That says everything you need to know about the UCI right there.
Specifically that they are willing to distort Landis' words to screw with his credibility.
Landis never said it was the 2002 TdS. He said That in 2002 Armstrong told him that at the time the EPO test was introduced which was in 2001, those events happened.
Who won the 2001 Tour de Suisse? Lance Armstrong
EDIT: As for McQuaid's claim that it couldn't happen because the positive tests at the time were sent immediately not only to the UCI but to the IOC, isn't it convenient that he "forgot" to mention that Verbruggen was also president of the IOC at the time.
Anyone who knows Verbruggen knows this is more than just "a possibility". It is, in fact, something that's day to day business for Verbruggen.
Either way, if Floyd has any evidence and any brains, then he's going to wait until everyone involved denies before presenting it.
Edited by issoisso on 20-05-2010 20:14
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 20-05-2010 20:30
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Is verbruggen still pulling the strings?
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| doddy13 |
Posted on 20-05-2010 20:32
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issoisso wrote:
EDIT: As for McQuaid's claim that it couldn't happen because the positive tests at the time were sent immediately not only to the UCI but to the IOC, isn't it convenient that he "forgot" to mention that Verbruggen was also president of the IOC at the time.
Incorrect, Verbruggen has never been president of the IOC.
He's only been an IOC member, he is no longer one of those, he's an "Honoury member" which tells you alot about the IOC actually.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 20-05-2010 20:38
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wackojackohighcliffe wrote:
Is verbruggen still pulling the strings?
No, he runs his private business. McQuaid was his pet lapdog that Verbruggen spent years grooming.
doddy13 wrote:
Incorrect, Verbruggen has never been president of the IOC.
He's only been an IOC member, he is no longer one of those, he's an "Honoury member" which tells you alot about the IOC actually.
You're right, sorry about that. Don't know what I was thinking.
Either way, it's also not true that the samples were sent to the IOC as well. They were sent to the UCI along with the results of the test.
The UCI then had the responsability of taking the test, matching the serial number to a rider, to see who the rider is (the people doing the test are not supposed to know) and it's then the UCI's responsability to inform the national federations, riders, etc.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 20-05-2010 20:43
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Anyway, now we have to hope the feds are in fact involved, as it seems they are.
If they do get involved, people will be facing criminal charges.
Does anyone think Levi and co will like the prospect of being someone's girlfriend in jail? Hell no. They'll be elbowing each other in the throat to be the first to confess all they know.
That includes Kristin Armstrong, who according to Floyd, was a witness to two of the events described, and surely knows a hell of a lot more. Remember she's separated from Lance now.
And that's when the charade collapses. The question is, will it get to that? I sure hope so.
Either way, it's getting harder and harder for Lance to even show up at the Tour. Firstly, the atmosphere will be heavy. He'll be booed everywhere, the ASO might not even let him take part, and he surely won't want to take part knowing he's going to get spanked into tomorrow by several better riders.
Especially if, with the added scrutiny, he has to ride clean.
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Posted on 20-05-2010 20:54
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Lance's reply: https://www.cyclin...llegations
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| issoisso |
Posted on 20-05-2010 21:05
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Meanwhile, McQuaid accepted going on a radio show to be interviewed after Kimmage, but absolutely refused in every way to be interviewed at the same time as Kimmage.
Terrified of being in there with someone who actually has the knowledge and know-how to ask tough questions that would expose his corruption.
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| Quavis |
Posted on 20-05-2010 21:07
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issoisso wrote:
Anyway, now we have to hope the feds are in fact involved, as it seems they are.
If they do get involved, people will be facing criminal charges.
Does anyone think Levi and co will like the prospect of being someone's girlfriend in jail? Hell no. They'll be elbowing each other in the throat to be the first to confess all they know.
That includes Kristin Armstrong, who according to Floyd, was a witness to two of the events described, and surely knows a hell of a lot more. Remember she's separated from Lance now.
And that's when the charade collapses. The question is, will it get to that? I sure hope so.
Either way, it's getting harder and harder for Lance to even show up at the Tour. Firstly, the atmosphere will be heavy. He'll be booed everywhere, the ASO might not even let him take part, and he surely won't want to take part knowing he's going to get spanked into tomorrow by several better riders.
Especially if, with the added scrutiny, he has to ride clean.
Other than Levi's alleged doping before the ToC (which if true is extremely sad imo.... as the ToC hasn't even been that big of an event...), I'm not sure there is much the Feds would be able to do in this case. All of the other allegations seemed to have taken place outside of the US, and were not official US sanctioned events (unless the Olympics were involved). I would think this would be completely outside their jurisdiction unless trafficking through the US was involved somehow.
I actually hope we DON'T see government hearings and the like on this subject. It is purely a cycling issue, and the US government has much bigger problems they should be spending the time on. The baseball steroid hearings drove me nuts. I hate politicians far more than even doped riders |
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Posted on 20-05-2010 21:14
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Having read LA's statement, here's a few comments:
I would remind everyone that this is a man that has been under oath several times with a very different version. This is a man that wrote a book for profit that had a completely different version; this is somebody that took close to a million dollars from innocent people for his defence under a different premise and now when it’s all run out the story changes
Landis' a bad guy - but one who stood up for him time after time was Lance. Weird.
Did you ever pay the UCI [International Cycling Union] any money?
Absolutely not. No. That is the other thing, if you get into it. Obviously we’ve seen the email and that is not correct. But a lot of other things in the email, the timeline is off, if you go year by year.
Ever? Really? What about this quote:
You made a gift to the UCI back in the early 2000s to buy anti-doping equipment. How much was it?
Er…Well, I can get you an exact number. Around 25,000 dollars. This was a long time ago.
No, my days of legal action are over. Legal action takes time energy and a lot of money. I have sued a few people in my day and have been successful there in proving my innocence. But, I don’t need to do that anymore. My energy needs to be devoted to the team, to Livestrong, to my kids. I’m not going to waste time on that.
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Posted on 20-05-2010 21:30
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https://www.youtub...Pl1yP7eaRw
if u wanna watch the video of lances response
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| issoisso |
Posted on 20-05-2010 21:37
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This case is now officially being investigated by the guy who was at the head of the BALCO case
*fist pump*
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| rjc_43 |
Posted on 20-05-2010 21:54
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Also, some other news in May, un reported by cycling media (that I can read):
Jens Keukeleire broke his wrist? lower arm? in training? racing? recently, so will be out of action for a little? long? while.
How's that for some really accurate news?
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Posted on 20-05-2010 21:58
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rjc_43 wrote:
Also, some other news in May, un reported by cycling media (that I can read):
Jens Keukeleire broke his wrist? lower arm? in training? racing? recently, so will be out of action for a little? long? while.
How's that for some really accurate news?
Didnt know that, but he confirmed it on his twitter:
https://tweetphoto...
https://tweetphoto...
Edit: he can't race for atleast 3 weeks to a month.
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Posted on 20-05-2010 22:00
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Which is where I found out
Maybe time for him to leave my fantasy team....
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Posted on 20-05-2010 22:21
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I love Gerard Vroomen. He weighs in:
If it turns out to be true, then in 5 years we can look back on this day as an excellent day. Short term pain, long term gain.
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| doddy13 |
Posted on 20-05-2010 22:23
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issoisso wrote:
I love Gerard Vroomen. He weighs in:
If it turns out to be true, then in 5 years we can look back on this day as an excellent day. Short term pain, long term gain.
Go read some of his blogs on the Cervelo Test team website, very good reads.
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| spudde |
Posted on 20-05-2010 22:28
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CrueTrue wrote:
Having read LA's statement, here's a few comments:
I would remind everyone that this is a man that has been under oath several times with a very different version. This is a man that wrote a book for profit that had a completely different version; this is somebody that took close to a million dollars from innocent people for his defence under a different premise and now when it’s all run out the story changes
Landis' a bad guy - but one who stood up for him time after time was Lance. Weird.
Did you ever pay the UCI [International Cycling Union] any money?
Absolutely not. No. That is the other thing, if you get into it. Obviously we’ve seen the email and that is not correct. But a lot of other things in the email, the timeline is off, if you go year by year.
Ever? Really? What about this quote:
You made a gift to the UCI back in the early 2000s to buy anti-doping equipment. How much was it?
Er…Well, I can get you an exact number. Around 25,000 dollars. This was a long time ago.
No, my days of legal action are over. Legal action takes time energy and a lot of money. I have sued a few people in my day and have been successful there in proving my innocence. But, I don’t need to do that anymore. My energy needs to be devoted to the team, to Livestrong, to my kids. I’m not going to waste time on that.
Did any of the legal actions actually end with an verdict? Not from my memory.
In the text it comes out that Lance considered himself a friend of Landis until he started acting strange towards Lance and others, most of it rather recently (obviously this is based on only Armstrong's statement). Then things changed from Lance's perspective so I don't see how the first comment is strange. And in the second part Lance was imo quite obviously answering to the accusations made by Landis just now so that I don't see how that can be turned to be some contradicting statement either.
I haven't got to know all the proof against the whole Armstrong, Bruyneel & CO gang, but I'm not naiive enough to think that there's nothing wrong as so many people linked to the team have come out and accused them of different things.
However, I think this thing from Landis seems a bit ridiculous. I wouldn't be surprised if the things Armstrong said about Floyd's behavior were actually somewhat true after the things he has done. I mean, correct me if I'm wrong but he fought for years saying that he is innocent, made even a book about his innocence, and now after everyone has forgotten that and he wasn't invited to the ToC, he supposedly wants to clear his conscience, again getting lots of publicity.
Well, no matter what Floyd's motives may be, if it gets a full investigation going that actually has the potential to discover something, great. |
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Posted on 20-05-2010 22:33
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Its worth remembering with Lance and Landis, they had a big falling out when Landis left US Postal for Phonak. They did not get on then.
But yet, after Landis tested positive, Armstrong supported him?
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