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| chrica04 |
Posted on 28-12-2009 04:01
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It is saying that "HE" has notified everyone of his positive. He didn't wait for others to tell. Hopefully that means something... He is from my state, I have met him and rode with him. I hope it's not true! |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 28-12-2009 08:32
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So the rumours were true.
So, that's the third american rider positive for the same steroid this year.
Hamilton said he knowingly took it for depression. Williams said the labs are out to get him. What's Zirbel's excuse?
Whatever it is, a number of fans will eat it up as usual 
Edited by issoisso on 28-12-2009 09:27
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| ruben |
Posted on 28-12-2009 11:17
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Nooooo
Not Tom Zirbel  I took him in a prediction game for the Tour of California years ago when nobody knew him and I thought he might suprise in the TT he scored points for me and everyone was stunned. I always liked him because of that
Now it's another jackass
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 28-12-2009 14:19
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Oh no - is this going to be another 2 years of Levi4life denying?  |
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| chrica04 |
Posted on 28-12-2009 16:50
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CrueTrue wrote:
Oh no - is this going to be another 2 years of Levi4life denying?
No it will be me denying it. Screw Hamilton and that other d-bag, Zirbel is so against it. He was against it back in college running XC.
I hope they can tell he didn't do it. Strong advocate of USA cycling. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 28-12-2009 16:53
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You mean the same way that Hamilton was the peloton's strongest anti-doping voice, donating large amounts of dollars to anti-doping research until he tested positive for blood manipulation? 
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| chrica04 |
Posted on 28-12-2009 16:59
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issoisso wrote:
You mean the same way that Hamilton was the peloton's strongest anti-doping voice, donating large amounts of dollars to anti-doping research until he tested positive for blood manipulation?
This isn't blood though..... this steroid is already produced by the body. Its use for the body to keep cholesterol levels manageable. If he comes out and admits at some point, I will have different views about him. But because I know him so personally, I can't accept it yet. |
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Posted on 28-12-2009 17:28
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Yes, it's always like that.
If it's any consolation, the close families of the doped athletes don't know of the doping either in 99% of cases.
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| rjc_43 |
Posted on 28-12-2009 17:28
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Testosterone is produced by the body. Yet that doesn't stop it's abuse. I don't understand your logic of saying that something produced by the body, when tested for a massive overdose, is natural. You have to realise the limits to test positive for something means you HAVE to be abusing it. Not just using, but ABUSING. As in, using to get a MASSIVE benefit.
Plus, Landis didn't admit to using Testosterone, yet we all know he did.
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| ruben |
Posted on 28-12-2009 18:06
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issoisso wrote:
Yes, it's always like that.
If it's any consolation, the close families of the doped athletes don't know of the doping either in 99% of cases. indeed, dekkers parents and sister knew nothing.
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Posted on 28-12-2009 18:47
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rjc_43 wrote:
Testosterone is produced by the body. Yet that doesn't stop it's abuse. I don't understand your logic of saying that something produced by the body, when tested for a massive overdose, is natural. You have to realise the limits to test positive for something means you HAVE to be abusing it. Not just using, but ABUSING. As in, using to get a MASSIVE benefit.
Plus, Landis didn't admit to using Testosterone, yet we all know he did.
I am not trying to baby him out of something he may have done. And yes, when even closest relatives don't know. Just from the type of guy he is...I can't come to believe it yet. Just have to wait and find out.... |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 28-12-2009 19:05
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chrica04 wrote:
rjc_43 wrote:
Testosterone is produced by the body. Yet that doesn't stop it's abuse. I don't understand your logic of saying that something produced by the body, when tested for a massive overdose, is natural. You have to realise the limits to test positive for something means you HAVE to be abusing it. Not just using, but ABUSING. As in, using to get a MASSIVE benefit.
Plus, Landis didn't admit to using Testosterone, yet we all know he did.
I am not trying to baby him out of something he may have done. And yes, when even closest relatives don't know. Just from the type of guy he is...I can't come to believe it yet. Just have to wait and find out....
Type of guy doesn't come into it. I can name a ton of dopers who are some of the nicest, most honest people you can ever hope to meet.
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| rjc_43 |
Posted on 28-12-2009 19:22
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issoisso wrote:
chrica04 wrote:
rjc_43 wrote:
Testosterone is produced by the body. Yet that doesn't stop it's abuse. I don't understand your logic of saying that something produced by the body, when tested for a massive overdose, is natural. You have to realise the limits to test positive for something means you HAVE to be abusing it. Not just using, but ABUSING. As in, using to get a MASSIVE benefit.
Plus, Landis didn't admit to using Testosterone, yet we all know he did.
I am not trying to baby him out of something he may have done. And yes, when even closest relatives don't know. Just from the type of guy he is...I can't come to believe it yet. Just have to wait and find out....
Type of guy doesn't come into it. I can name a ton of dopers who are some of the nicest, most honest people you can ever hope to meet.
I've always said throughout my life I want to make it to elite within the UK without the use of drugs, but if I got there, and had the chance to turn pro, with someone offering me HGH, and I know it's not detectable, regardless of how much of a twat, or a nice guy, you think I am, I'd probably jump at the chance.
n.b. Don't offer me a pro contract. Or if I turn pro. Suspect everything I do.
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Posted on 28-12-2009 20:23
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Zirbel (plus Williams and Hamilton) are complete idiots. Regardless of the fact that it gives little increase to performance enhancement, DHEA is completely useless unless your depressed and/or obese (might be a correlation there ) or for WADA's reasoning it is equated with masking agents and corticosteroids. Im guessing since Zirbel is 6'5" and ranges from 175-200 lbs he took it for weight loss (similar to Nathan O'Neil's doping case.)
Over in America, DHEA is very common and can be found in most protein powder (whey protein or with Creatine) and weight loss products at GNCs, Vitamin World, and even Wal-Mart. A lot of manufacturers of these protein powders tend to make their powders in containers. I.e. they make a whey protein powder in a container MWF; then make a powder containing DHEA on Tues and Thurs - AND because of similar ingredients for the whey protein powders and the DHEA supplement powder crap the manufacturer does not clean out the containers thus mixing most of the products together. Yaa sanitation! So probably Zirbel was in Greenville and realized, "Oh, sh*t I forgot my protein drink. I will run to wal mart and buy the first whey protein drink i can find!"
What really peeved me is he said “I’m ignorant about these things, I didn’t know what DHEA was until I was first notified about my A sample positive.” When you are an athlete and tested by WADA, USADA, UCI, or whoever IT IS YOUR OBLIGATION TO KNOW THEIR BANNED LIST (sry caps lock was stuck for some reason). For Christ's sake there is a hot line for WADA or USADA (cant remember which) so you can call them for more information. USADA even makes tiny wallet sized cards with the banned substances on them and the other side has legal substances you can take. If your not sure about a product DONT buy it! If you want to be sure call the company of the product and ask them (some of them are obligated under American law in compliance with the FDA to tell you). Also if you just look at the back of the product you will find ingredients and if something like Creatine, DHEA, 5-androsten-3 β-ol-17-one, C19 steroid, dehydroepiandrosterone, dehydroepiandrosterone sulfate, DHA, DHAS, DHEA-enanthate, DHEA-FA, DHEA-S, DHEAS, DS, 7-KETO DHE, 7-oxo-DHEA, dehydroepiandrosterone comes up DONT F*CKING GET IT! 3 cheers for common sense...
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| rjc_43 |
Posted on 28-12-2009 20:27
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And of course you're forgetting to mention that Protein Supplementation isn't actually scientifically proven to enhance performance, recovery or training over an adequately balanced diet. In other words, YOU CAN GET THE PROTEIN FROM MEAT, in a large enough amount without the need to waste money on protein powders and drinks. The only problem that is forseen from that is that post training, away from home, you may not be able to take on board an adequate meal. But other than that, you don't need protein drinks.
Thank you very much my degree for that information. Pay £25,000 and learn to save money on protein powder.
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| dgtgoheels |
Posted on 28-12-2009 20:46
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Exactly. Same applies to people taking vitamins. Unless your deficient in vitamins (such as iron since your anemic then take iron supplements) but otherwise taking vitamin supplements is a waste of dinero. You just piss them out in the end. I figure most athletes mix protein powders to just throw down calories. I know I do as I weigh 58kgs at 175cms I tend to mix Cyto Max muscle milk or whey protein with peanut butter, ice cream, milk, and some fruit just so I can get a 4th meal in since I have a metabolic rate of a hummingbird. One of my coaches always says go out and eat big steak the night before the race. I dont know if it works but it sure tastes good!
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Posted on 28-12-2009 21:36
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CrueTrue wrote:
Oh no - is this going to be another 2 years of Levi4life denying?
Nah too many people on this site ignore scientific evidence and believe anti-doping authorities to be incapable of making mistakes. If the headline says doped then it must be true, case closed.
Also some advice for chicra04: Stick to the scientific evidence: like how two tests done 8 days before and 4 days after the positive A sample was taken, both come back negative, one being from the tour of Utah and the other bieng outside of competition.
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| chuckie |
Posted on 28-12-2009 22:02
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issoisso wrote:
Type of guy doesn't come into it. I can name a ton of dopers who are some of the nicest, most honest people you can ever hope to meet.
I believe it does,if they are TRULY honest they won't dope.
I also believe it takes more than watching someone speak in interviews to determine what type of person one is...I mean nice...honest...how could YOU possibly know?? 
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Posted on 28-12-2009 22:26
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chuckie wrote:
issoisso wrote:
Type of guy doesn't come into it. I can name a ton of dopers who are some of the nicest, most honest people you can ever hope to meet.
I believe it does,if they are TRULY honest they won't dope.
I also believe it takes more than watching someone speak in interviews to determine what type of person one is...I mean nice...honest...how could YOU possibly know??
I'm thinking of a guy who:
- Gave a ton to charity (and later regretted it. He gave so much to charity, he didn't save enough for himself and ended up poor and selling used tires on the side of the road)
- Was by all accounts the nicest guy you could know
- Gave the second placed guy the winners' trophy and the prize (which was a brand new car worth around 25 months of an average riders' salary at the time) because if not for the stewards screwing up the 2nd place guy would've won. Can't get more honest than that.
- Would regularly pick up homeless people from the streets and offer them shelter and food at his house
- Was suspended after trying to cheat a doping test with fake urine, only to fail, be tested anyway and test positive.
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Posted on 28-12-2009 23:54
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in other news, chris anker sorensen is now a luxembourg rider. |
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