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| ianrussell |
Posted on 18-05-2014 13:09
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Strydz wrote:
Aquarius wrote:
Done with my Gran Fondo #5 as well, that's 5 on 5 so far this year. I wonder if there'll be anything special for completing them all (assuming I'll be able to).
I thought that I was in the same situation as you then noticed that my GF ride from April was 129.9 ks so I didn't get credited for the ride. Annoying as the Garmin said 130 but oh well not much I can do
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| ianrussell |
Posted on 18-05-2014 13:18
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sammyt93 wrote:
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I took a quick look and they look quite legit to me actually. My problem lies more in weird peak rides that feature no real, serious climb at all but still have a very high elevation data that is just unexplainable to me. But it's my personal issue I gues and I'll find a work-around for that.
There's a few questionable sections that I've noticed where it seems to jump me off road, or has me going beyond junctions and then turning back.
Unfortunately that seems to rob me of virtually every segment I ride through, I think there's only 2 segments that work for me and they only work about 20% of the times I go through them.
And with mine it's more issues with the speed not matching the gradient that annoys me, as when it makes a mistake it tends to either jump my speed through the roof or kill it completely depending on if it shortens or lengthens the route.
If you zoom in on my most recent ride you'll see that it doesn't always follow the road I'm actually on as it tends to straight line too much.
Oh and those rides you are referring to could be from segments that don't have the correct elevation data, I've got one near me that is seriously wrong which is actually like this
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| admirschleck |
Posted on 18-05-2014 13:27
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Just had an absolutely great experience. I'll divide the message into 2 parts, the one to describe it and the second one to search for the help. Let's get started.
Around 11h this morning, me and my friend decided to go on a ride, but we had no idea where to go. However, after few kilometers riding on known terrain, asphalt, we decided to get a bit harder challenge and get off-road, on muddy, full of water macadame. In first few kilometers, the terrain (click here for more info) was basically flooded with at least 30cm of water. It was unbeliavably hard to move on that terrain (which was going a bit uphill, too) but we managed to get on the top of nearby hill and luckily there was no water. However, we had no idea where we are at that point. We continued climbing and the strong rain started. On the top of the climb, it stopped. Downhill -> sun! I may sound crazy but it was so hot that I can't remember the day when it was that hot. After long, around ~15 kilometers descent, few little hills started. And then, boom(!) - besides the fact we had no idea where we are, besides the fact we were exhausted as hell - snow appeared near the road. It was incredible, it was melting away on 20 degrees celsius, but there was snow. I mean, what the actual fuck. By that pace, we continued riding and passed throught few nearby villages and after 3 hours of ride and probably around 45-50 kilometers ridden, we managed to find the asphalt and the terrain we know. It was easy to come home then.
All in all - one great experience! All 4 seasons in 3 hours and 50 kilometers. #CyclingNeverStops ; https://prntscr.co... , https://prntscr.co...
However, fucking Strava GPS refused to work once again (after it fooled me and pissed me off on half-marathon). I just have no explanation. I turned on GPS, waited few minutes, gone on "Record a ride", swiped the Unlock button and it was supposed to start then (right?), but it only kept counting the time. The distance was constantly on 0.0 km's. Do I have to turn on GPS when I have WiFi and wait it to load or what? Is there any explanation on this? I am total noob when it comes to GPS and stuff like that, so thanks in advance for help.
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 18-05-2014 15:20
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If you're using your phone : off course turn on your GPS, or it won't count any distance, just the time. Turn down wifi to save the battery, only turn it on again when you're home (if your wifi is working at home) to upload the ride.
Not sure if you're using the iOS or android version, but on iOS there are bars to tell you about GPS reception. If there's no signal you'd better wait before you start, or check if your GPS is working. |
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| Strydz |
Posted on 18-05-2014 15:23
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ianrussell wrote:
Strydz wrote:
Aquarius wrote:
Done with my Gran Fondo #5 as well, that's 5 on 5 so far this year. I wonder if there'll be anything special for completing them all (assuming I'll be able to).
I thought that I was in the same situation as you then noticed that my GF ride from April was 129.9 ks so I didn't get credited for the ride. Annoying as the Garmin said 130 but oh well not much I can do
I'm so fearful of that I end up doing an extra few kms even though I'm dying.
I usually do that but had to be somewhere so called it a day
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| admirschleck |
Posted on 18-05-2014 15:24
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GPS was turned on all the time, of course. It worked fine for 3 times already, but it just refuses to work now. I have no idea how and why.
And yes, I am 100% sure GPS was turned one.
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| Shonak |
Posted on 18-05-2014 15:32
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Strava needs to be allowed to take use of the GPS data. For the first couple of weeks, it sometimes turned off this option, especially when I didn't do anything for a couple of days in winter, so that's maybe an explanation.
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| Shonak |
Posted on 18-05-2014 17:03
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I just saw the "?" before, however I think that strava recalculates the route automatically? I climbed three times the same one today (although I rode the climb all three times differently, so that may be a reason too) and while the elevation looks to be decently right, there are some points where it either moves up and down or it actually doesn't move up or moves up too late? Guess you can't make it perfect, but it has also erased some peaks (but has increased total elevation in the end?!). Geez, strava...
by the way: I'm sorry and I sound totally obnoxious now, but I almost fell from the chair right now when I saw our user Eirik's ride in the Strava PCM Daily group. Don't know who that is on Daily, but other people have ridden that race (congratz on completing it by the way!). The elevation difference is crazy between all those riders, ranging from 900 to 2200 or something like that. The correct one seems to be the 900, almost half of his 1900. Some other people have even more. There are some crazy elevation issues up there in Norway and seriously shows how screwed up Strava can be.
Edited by Shonak on 18-05-2014 17:41
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| Strydz |
Posted on 18-05-2014 17:10
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I wouldn't say its Strava that is the cause for the elevation issues but most likely the device he is using unless of course he is getting big ups in elevation by hitting the correct elevation tag. I did that once and it gave me 1200 vertical I never did.
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| SSJ2Luigi |
Posted on 18-05-2014 17:18
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I usually get a wrong elevation as well (around 1000 meters usually) but after a while strava corrects it to 11 meters on the daily ride and about 150 meters on long rides.
Also admir is following me 
Edited by SSJ2Luigi on 18-05-2014 17:19
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| Shonak |
Posted on 18-05-2014 17:42
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Well basically it shows that I need to get a Garmin at some point, so bored of all that elevation nonsense.
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| admirschleck |
Posted on 18-05-2014 17:49
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SSJ2Luigi wrote:
Also admir is following me
What's so funny in that? And once again, it's either Admir or admirschleck. 
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 18-05-2014 18:26
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Strydz wrote:
I wouldn't say its Strava that is the cause for the elevation issues but most likely the device he is using unless of course he is getting big ups in elevation by hitting the correct elevation tag. I did that once and it gave me 1200 vertical I never did.
I checked his ride, but also those of the 7 or 8 person who rode with him. They all have roughly the same amount of vertical ascent, so it may be right after all.
Still I'm surprised, even though I've never ridden in Norway, let alone be there at all, I wouldn't have figured you could get that much verticality with so little km there. |
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| ianrussell |
Posted on 18-05-2014 18:31
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Shonak wrote:
Well basically it shows that I need to get a Garmin at some point, so bored of all that elevation nonsense.
Any Garmin with a barometric altimeter will be mostly right but even then you could do with setting a known elevation point at your typical ride start or it starts with a gps guesstimate - total elevation will remain ok but gives you some funny elevation points on any profile.
Also if pressure is changing quickly while you're riding, as a new weather system moves in, you can still get some dodgy elevation readings. Having said that granted it's reasonably accurate 90%+ of the time.
Edited by ianrussell on 18-05-2014 18:33
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| Strydz |
Posted on 18-05-2014 18:38
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ianrussell wrote:
Shonak wrote:
Well basically it shows that I need to get a Garmin at some point, so bored of all that elevation nonsense.
Any Garmin with a barometric altimeter will be mostly right but even then you could do with setting a known elevation point at your typical ride start or it starts with a gps guesstimate - total elevation will remain ok but gives you some funny elevation points on any profile.
Also if pressure is changing quickly while you're riding, as a new weather system moves in, you can still get some dodgy elevation readings. Having said that granted it's reasonably accurate 90%+ of the time.
Agree with all that, the pressure can pay tricks as it happened to me on my last Everest but wrapped plastic around it which fixed it up. Also had a day out in the hills in pooring rain one day and by the end of the ride it read 600 vertical when I had done well over 2000.
The 500's are going pretty cheap these days also heard good things about the Byton Rider 50 units
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| Shonak |
Posted on 18-05-2014 18:47
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Aquarius wrote:
Strydz wrote:
I wouldn't say its Strava that is the cause for the elevation issues but most likely the device he is using unless of course he is getting big ups in elevation by hitting the correct elevation tag. I did that once and it gave me 1200 vertical I never did.
I checked his ride, but also those of the 7 or 8 person who rode with him. They all have roughly the same amount of vertical ascent, so it may be right after all.
Still I'm surprised, even though I've never ridden in Norway, let alone be there at all, I wouldn't have figured you could get that much verticality with so little km there.
Yes, however for example this ride (link) looked quite different. It was recorded with Garmin, I'm just mostly really puzzled at how large the difference is in fact between a real device and the Strava App. We are basically talking about completely different measurements. And this worries me personally since I use the strava phone app and my elevation is probably too high as well, at least in some climbs. Other rides appear to be very correct though. But how much? I don't know. 
See, I still know what I did climb this year and I know my routes and all, and I like to think that I regularly climb at least okay-ish climbs. I love all those short 2 to 5 km steep hills and of course the large mountains, but I can't trust strava's raw elevation data anymore (when you record it with the phone). I can't use it as a help and indication of what I did in terms of climbing in numbers - and that bothers me. I know what I rode, but I don't know the elevation values.
Honestly, looking at the elevation profile seems to me to be the only indication of what I and other phone-users really climbed roughly. The elevation ranking and the data itself seems to utterly useless though (However, distance is always very correct for me, compared to my stem). Of course, I'm only referring to phone-users.^^
100 Euro for Garmin... hm... to buy or not to buy.
Edited by Shonak on 18-05-2014 18:48
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| Ste117 |
Posted on 18-05-2014 18:53
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https://app.strava.../142730559
My short ride today, as I begin to find my speed and fitness after a long time after the bike!
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| felix_29 |
Posted on 18-05-2014 19:52
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I also tought that the elevation rankings should be separated for Garmin (or similiar) users and smartphone users. Around my hometown for example all bridges are missing in the Strava calculations which gives you elevation which you never rode. I guess it's similar when the road data and elevation data don't match 100% and the steeper the slopes around the roads are, the higher the difference gets.
I know i'm late, but hats off the Strydz for his second Everest ride. Don't want to imagine what my ass would hurt like when i rode as many kilometers. 
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| Gustavovskiy |
Posted on 18-05-2014 20:22
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Any advice on how not to break your chain?
I was tackling this nasty cobbled climb near my house, when it snapped. I started slowly but was on a higher gear than I usually use there. I'm pretty ignorant about bike parts and equipment so anything would be helpful really. Thanks
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| ianrussell |
Posted on 18-05-2014 20:35
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@Shonak 100 sounds reasonable to me for something so customisable, accurate and with no battery worries. I wondered about making the move from a smartphone but the Garmin 500's been rock solid (not that I had cause to complain about Endomondo).
Apart from the basics of having everything I want to see where I want to see it in a compact package, I love the extras too - my current favourite is downloading a Strava segment as a course then going up against my previous best (or even someone else's) in real time.
The longer I've had it the more I don't want to be without it. |
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