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| ABridgeTooFar |
Posted on 25-05-2009 04:24
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markene2 wrote:
If i insulted someone sorry just said my opinion.
No, I wasn't insulted. I enjoy the competitive banter at this site. You have an opinion and are encouraged to express it. As I did mine.
Isso,
Regarding the style points, of course the fans will remember style and panache. I enjoy watching riders like that. Guys who attack and take risks are more exciting than say Evans or on many occasions Levi. I don't think Levi is strong enough to attack in this Giro but he is still in 3rd place. Hard to call someone over rated who is in 3rd place in the Giro. That was the point that I was trying to make. You don't get extra time deducted for winning with style. |
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| boork |
Posted on 25-05-2009 04:49
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I would guess the overrated part was referring to the many on this site (mostly americans) who kept on saying Levi would crush everyone in the mountains and in the first TT. Levi just isnt that good.
Also 3rd at this point doesnt mean anything. Lövqvist was in the lead for a few days but we didnt get any bonus points for that when he got dropped later. I think Levi might be able to hold on to top 5. He seems to be struggling a bit now and i wouldnt be surprised if he cant keep up with the top 10riding up the last mountain tomorrow.
I feel Sastre will be dangerous tomorrow and i hope he hasnt given up on the pink jersey yet cause from what i can see his form been growing and he might be the only one with good enough legs to challenge Menchov in the tough climbs. Gonna be a nice day for cycling tomorrow i hope. |
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| smartman213 |
Posted on 25-05-2009 05:14
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boork wrote:
I would guess the overrated part was referring to the many on this site (mostly americans) who kept on saying Levi would crush everyone in the mountains and in the first TT. Levi just isnt that good.
Now really, I'll agree with the comment that Levi isn't that good of an GC contender to crush everyone in the mountains, but i think its uncalled for saying that "mostly Americans" are rooting for Levi. It only makes sense for us to root for our guy. He is American just as we are American. Do the Brit's not love Cav. Do the Basque not love Sanchez? Its normal to feel a sense of pride in the top rider from your country.
Now I will agree with you that there are many fans of the sport who give their rider too much credit. But thats no different than fans of any team of any sport. It is incredibly hard to take an unbiased look at something you're passionate about.
Unlike Spain and Italy, the US does not have many heavy hitters in the GC and being as patriotic as we are, we cannot help but go all out for one of our boys. Just like when we had Lance winning the Tour, we are die hard fans even if the rest of the world is against us, we THRIVE on it.
All that said, I agree, no one will stop Menchov he is unbeatable this Giro. But I am not looking forward to all the fans out there saying that he will dominate the Tour because of his Giro performance. He wont be in the same form come July. But unless something unlucky happens I don't see anyone beating Menchov for the Maglia Rosa.
Levi has done very well so far, and is still sitting on a podium position. You cannot claim that he is not a damn good rider deserving of his podium place. Thats the beauty of sport, the final result is all that matters. Regardless of the controversy, Levi is a great rider along with all those in the peloton. Lets just hope that we don't find out three months from now that Di Luca has a positive doping control.
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| Phanekim |
Posted on 25-05-2009 06:10
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Two points I'd like to make...levi and lance and mick were saying how menchov used different non-aero wheels than they did and that probably contributed a lot to his sucess.
another point is you had other teams protecting menchov? i didnt watch stage but the article is here
https://www.cyclin...83200.html
apparently basso isn't well liked? maybe some of you guys can enlighten me. |
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| Michal4444 |
Posted on 25-05-2009 08:29
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Phanekim wrote:
Two points I'd like to make...levi and lance and mick were saying how menchov used different non-aero wheels than they did and that probably contributed a lot to his sucess.
another point is you had other teams protecting menchov? i didnt watch stage but the article is here
https://www.cyclin...83200.html
apparently basso isn't well liked? maybe some of you guys can enlighten me.
I am not an expert in cycling but it seems to me more like Menchov is liked then Basso is disliked. But I am just guessing. I don´t know really... |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 25-05-2009 08:30
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KurtinSC wrote:
To be honest I was pretty young in the Indurain years, but the "super climbers" as you put it won multiple mountain stages (UGromov won 2 in '94, Pantani 2 in '95). Also guys like Virenque, Armstrong and Riis.
Now Indurain was never far behind in those stages, and often seemed to have no difficulties staying in the lead group. But he wasn't powering away and dropping people. Others were in the lead dropping other contenders... but not Indurain. At least that's how I remember it... we're talking 15 years ago now so I won't claim to be an expert.
Induráin destroyed everyone in the first time trial. Then he dropped everyone in the first summit finish. Then he rode without expending much energy. He let the others get away and win staegs, as I said, because he had a weak taem and by then those guys were many minutes behind on GC. They were no longer any danger.
ABridgeTooFar wrote:
No, I wasn't insulted. I enjoy the competitive banter at this site. You have an opinion and are encouraged to express it. As I did mine.
Isso,
Regarding the style points, of course the fans will remember style and panache. I enjoy watching riders like that. Guys who attack and take risks are more exciting than say Evans or on many occasions Levi. I don't think Levi is strong enough to attack in this Giro but he is still in 3rd place. Hard to call someone over rated who is in 3rd place in the Giro. That was the point that I was trying to make. You don't get extra time deducted for winning with style.
My point was that people will remember you as being much better than you really were if you have "style"
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"I love him, I think he's great. He's transformed the sport in so many ways. Every person in cycling has benefitted from Lance Armstrong, perhaps not financially but in some sense" - Bradley Wiggins on Lance Armstrong
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| BlockHause |
Posted on 25-05-2009 09:14
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Today I will be disappointed by Gibo Simoni one last time!
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Posted on 25-05-2009 09:26
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Sastre is always a man for 3rd week in a GC!!! He will show up, destroying everybody 
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 25-05-2009 09:51
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Phanekim wrote:
Another point is you had other teams protecting menchov? i didnt watch stage but the article is here
https://www.cyclin...83200.html
apparently basso isn't well liked? maybe some of you guys can enlighten me.
I didn't read the article, but yesterday, Caisse and QuickStep went to the front when LPR ran out of helpers for Di Luca. Menchov was also isolated (Ten Dam had crashed, as far as I remember) - I guess it's just one of the many 'deals' that teams make during the race. |
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| raar1991 |
Posted on 25-05-2009 11:12
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is it monday already? |
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| lagetcher |
Posted on 25-05-2009 11:28
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Indeed. Should be fun |
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| knasen |
Posted on 25-05-2009 12:12
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Yesterdays hilly stage was really fun. Attack cycling is more fun to watch. |
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| lagetcher |
Posted on 25-05-2009 13:32
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There's a big breakaway today, with Cunego and Popovych both there.
I hope I'm not the only one getting a little mixed up betweeb the Diquogiovanni riders - Bertagliati, Bertagnolli and the Bertolinis! |
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| Biathlon |
Posted on 25-05-2009 13:36
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Is it so smart to let Popo go.. He isnt so far behind.. And Rabobank got 2 riders in the break. LIQ and LRP got 1 each..
Edited by Biathlon on 25-05-2009 13:43
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| schleck93 |
Posted on 25-05-2009 13:57
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REally big and strong group with a 6.25 minute lead over the pack, I think they'll win.
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| Biathlon |
Posted on 25-05-2009 14:01
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5:45 Now.. They keep loosing.
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| KurtinSC |
Posted on 25-05-2009 14:01
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Biathlon wrote:
Is it so smart to let Popo go.. He isnt so far behind.. And Rabobank got 2 riders in the break. LIQ and LRP got 1 each..
It's not a problem for Menchov. Popo is over 9 minutes down and if the break wins with even the best imaginable gap, it won't be that much.
If the gap stays like it is now (and it'll come down, so that's not happening), the ones who could get impacted would be guys like Sastre, Basso and Rogers. |
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| Biathlon |
Posted on 25-05-2009 14:03
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KurtinSC wrote:
Biathlon wrote:
Is it so smart to let Popo go.. He isnt so far behind.. And Rabobank got 2 riders in the break. LIQ and LRP got 1 each..
It's not a problem for Menchov. Popo is over 9 minutes down and if the break wins with even the best imaginable gap, it won't be that much.
If the gap stays like it is now (and it'll come down, so that's not happening), the ones who could get impacted would be guys like Sastre, Basso and Rogers.
It isn't a problem now. But it could been a problem if they got bigger gap..
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| markene2 |
Posted on 25-05-2009 14:05
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Posted on 25-05-2009 14:07
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