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| ruben |
Posted on 24-05-2009 19:01
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Biathlon wrote:
Levi is smart. He just sit there and dont use powers on stupid attacks like Di Luca, Menchov and SastrexD No you nitwit. Levi is unable to follow ANYWHERE. All of the top 6 are climbing better than him. Are you just a blind fan or? |
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 24-05-2009 19:02
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mrlol wrote:
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From what I saw ont TV he wasn't saving any energy. He was in real trouble 
maybe, but if he lost 18 minutes, that means he didnt try to come back 
yeah but even if he wanted to came back it would've been very hard with no team-mates around him I think.
Also if Menchov will have the pink jersey at the end of tomorrow's stage, which is very likely to happen, nobody will be able to stop him winning this Giro.
Edited by alexkr00 on 24-05-2009 19:04
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 24-05-2009 19:02
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blind fan i reckon
he is a lance supporter so he's probably american
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| issoisso |
Posted on 24-05-2009 19:10
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Word going around is that Van Poppel didn't know what the race situation was when he was asked by Sastre to tell Pauwels to drop back...so he didn't want to risk denying Sastre.
Anyway, even if he had had access to all information, the stupidity comes nowhere close to the one regularly exhibited every race every year by LPR.
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| Alesle |
Posted on 24-05-2009 19:25
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Ruben wrote:
Biathlon wrote:
Levi is smart. He just sit there and dont use powers on stupid attacks like Di Luca, Menchov and SastrexD No you nitwit. Levi is unable to follow ANYWHERE. All of the top 6 are climbing better than him. Are you just a blind fan or?
Yes he is .
Menchov looks like a million, and I'm having difficulties seeing how he won't win the overall.
I still thinks Sastre looks better and better as the giro goes on, Basso also looked rather good today, though he wasted a lot of energy.
Di Luca's done well so far, but I'm curious about how good he really is at the long climbs, I guess we'll see tomorrow  .
Pellizotti looks comfortable, but not quite as good as Menchov/Sastre/di Luca.
Leipheimer and Rogers are struggeling on the climbs each time the pace is upped, and have been for some time.
Tomorrow I expect an exciting stage, with Basso, Pellizotti, Sastre and di Luca trying to drop Menchov. I wouldn't be surprised to see Basso/Sastre try something already at the Monte Nerone, espescially if Simoni/Soler/Garzelli tries to get away there. Afterall, they need to take more than 3 minutes on Menchov if they want to win overall.
On the other side, they might be happy just trying for a podium, and wait til the last climb were they should be able to take some time on di Luca and or Leipheimer. Time will tell . |
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| markene2 |
Posted on 24-05-2009 19:55
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Basso or Menchov will win tomorow. Evryone who think levi will is wrong. He is overated |
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| mrlol |
Posted on 24-05-2009 20:05
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issoisso wrote:
Word going around is that Van Poppel didn't know what the race situation was when he was asked by Sastre to tell Pauwels to drop back...so he didn't want to risk denying Sastre.
Anyway, even if he had had access to all information, the stupidity comes nowhere close to the one regularly exhibited every race every year by LPR.
that's true actually. in the phone interview with belgian tv just after the incident he said the tv in his car was not working.
so his only information would've been from Sastre himself and Radio Corsa. |
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 24-05-2009 20:38
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markene2 wrote:
Basso or Menchov will win tomorow. Evryone who think levi will is wrong. He is overated
I don't think that Basso will do too good tomorrow. He made an effort for nothing today, Garzelli wasn't relaying too much letting Basso doing all the job.
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| ABridgeTooFar |
Posted on 24-05-2009 20:42
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markene2 wrote:
Basso or Menchov will win tomorow. Evryone who think levi will is wrong. He is overated
Over-rated? Who is doing that? He is a solid rider and an exceptional time trialist. He is a contender for the GC and a TDF podium finisher. What is wrong with that? He is not on the same level as Contador but not many are. He is in 3rd place at 43 seconds back. That is pretty darn good. |
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| mrlol |
Posted on 24-05-2009 20:51
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ABridgeTooFar wrote:
markene2 wrote:
Basso or Menchov will win tomorow. Evryone who think levi will is wrong. He is overated
Over-rated? Who is doing that? He is a solid rider and an exceptional time trialist. He is a contender for the GC and a TDF podium finisher. What is wrong with that? He is not on the same level as Contador but not many are. He is in 3rd place at 43 seconds back. That is pretty darn good.
he's 3rd, yeah. but the way he's got that 3rd place isnt anywhere near as impressive as how Menchov and di Luca have got place 1 and 2. |
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| ABridgeTooFar |
Posted on 24-05-2009 21:08
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mrlol wrote:
ABridgeTooFar wrote:
markene2 wrote:
Basso or Menchov will win tomorow. Evryone who think levi will is wrong. He is overated
Over-rated? Who is doing that? He is a solid rider and an exceptional time trialist. He is a contender for the GC and a TDF podium finisher. What is wrong with that? He is not on the same level as Contador but not many are. He is in 3rd place at 43 seconds back. That is pretty darn good.
he's 3rd, yeah. but the way he's got that 3rd place isnt anywhere near as impressive as how Menchov and di Luca have got place 1 and 2.
Agreed, but there are no style points in cycling. Tomorrow will be a another tough day. Plenty of racing left. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 24-05-2009 21:13
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ABridgeTooFar wrote:
Agreed, but there are no style points in cycling. Tomorrow will be a another tough day. Plenty of racing left.
In people's memories, style leaves a lasting impression. Pantani won a Giro and a Tour solely due to sickness by Zülle and Ullrich. He wasn't the best rider at any of those races.
But due to him always riding on the offensive, most people probably "remember" it as Pantani being stronger.
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 24-05-2009 21:15
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what he means is that leipheimer doesnt look like he has the same strength as di luca and menchov
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| issoisso |
Posted on 24-05-2009 21:20
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Yes, that's something he meant, and I agree, but he also said there are no style points. Well, in the minds of fans there are
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| markene2 |
Posted on 24-05-2009 21:27
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If i insulted someone sorry just said my opinion. |
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| Phanekim |
Posted on 24-05-2009 22:18
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Um...so who wins tomorrow guys. i need to get some dinero for the fantasy game lol. |
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| KurtinSC |
Posted on 25-05-2009 00:21
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wackojackohighcliffe wrote:
what he means is that leipheimer doesnt look like he has the same strength as di luca and menchov
Well, Miguel Indurain never looked incredibly strong in the climbs either. He just hung on and dominated the time trials. If I'm not mistaken, none of his tour wins in the years he won 5 times in a row was in anything other than a time trial.
The difference... he could hang a bit better than levi can... and he's a better time trialer too.
Levi's only real chance was if he took the lead after the time trial... but Menchov outdid him. In retrospect, as it wasn't a flat TT, he really didn't have any chance. If the last TT were 45km instead of 15, I'd say he still had a shot... but there's no way he can keep the lead where it is now. And that would be the only way he'd even have a remote chance of overtaking Menchov... and even that is stretching it with only 15km. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 25-05-2009 00:29
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KurtinSC wrote:
Well, Miguel Indurain never looked incredibly strong in the climbs either. He just hung on and dominated the time trials.
That would be accurate for the first three years of his "reign". For the last two years, he skipped the Giro and concentrated his energy solely on the Tour.
As a result, no one could match him. He was insanely good. Dropping Pantani and Ugrumov (the super-climbers) was routine.
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If I'm not mistaken, none of his tour wins in the years he won 5 times in a row was in anything other than a time trial.
Mostly because his team was relatively weak, so breaks had a tendency to win by several minutes.
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and he's a better time trialer too.
He once put 3 and a half minutes into the 3rd placed and 5 and a half minutes into the 5th placed at a TT. Half the field were at over 12 minutes. He caught the man who started ahead of him, reigning world champion Lance Armstrong for 2 minutes after only 16kms of that TT.
Yeah, better for sure
KurtinSC wrote:
Levi's only real chance was if he took the lead after the time trial... but Menchov outdid him. In retrospect, as it wasn't a flat TT, he really didn't have any chance. If the last TT were 45km instead of 15, I'd say he still had a shot... but there's no way he can keep the lead where it is now. And that would be the only way he'd even have a remote chance of overtaking Menchov... and even that is stretching it with only 15km.
Pretty much sums up my own opinion nicely
Edited by issoisso on 25-05-2009 00:35
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Posted on 25-05-2009 01:23
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To be honest I was pretty young in the Indurain years, but the "super climbers" as you put it won multiple mountain stages (UGromov won 2 in '94, Pantani 2 in '95). Also guys like Virenque, Armstrong and Riis.
Now Indurain was never far behind in those stages, and often seemed to have no difficulties staying in the lead group. But he wasn't powering away and dropping people. Others were in the lead dropping other contenders... but not Indurain. At least that's how I remember it... we're talking 15 years ago now so I won't claim to be an expert.
Evans and Leipheimer ride the same style... they simply aren't nearly as good at it. |
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Posted on 25-05-2009 01:56
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I don't think Levi can win the Giro without the team is able to crush the tempo, but as far as over-rated and not impressive. How quickly we forget that he smashed the last section of the TT, he was behind at both the first and second check and then took 30 seconds out of the top time, only Menchov was better, and he has been an absolute beast. I think barring any thing extraordinary/unfortunate Menchov will be the champion in Rome. |
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