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| atlanta |
Posted on 04-05-2014 18:02
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Also what the hell do you mean unless i look back through all the pages whats you point? I think your find most people have agreed in a way with me good try though |
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| gotlandrules |
Posted on 04-05-2014 18:05
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atlanta, whats your point with this? you want everyone to hate contador as much as froome? |
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| atlanta |
Posted on 04-05-2014 18:11
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No im responding Avin's post. I just find it wierd how people are always against Froome so much yet love Alberto Contador. And to clarfy im really talking abaout cyclingnews not here as im not sure what its like here but on cycling news the Sky and Froome stuff is crazy even when not racing you have guys talking about it. I think it is fine to support Alberto but many times i see stuff like come on beat Froome the doper and their wanting a doper to beat him it is just funny. By all means support your guy but dont shout doper when your guy is one. |
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 04-05-2014 18:14
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My guess on why people have a better opinion on Contador is that he would still be a pretty decent climber/rider without his sweets. Froome on the other hand, well, just look at his results before Vuelta 2011.
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| gotlandrules |
Posted on 04-05-2014 18:14
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I think it's because SKY is so unlikeable. Their talk about marginal gains and their talk about how clean they are and everything... that makes alot of people just hate them even more since its so obvious they are and have been doping since the start. |
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| atlanta |
Posted on 04-05-2014 18:15
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gotlandrules wrote:
What really bugs me about Froome and SKY is their retarded way of saying they are clean, and their even more retarded ways of explaining how they are better then everyone else.
I dont get what you mean here, i mean dont everyone say their clean? I no sort of what you mean like TDF press conferences but what are they meant to say? Yes i would just like to clarify we are dping in Tenerife that is how were good? I think it's logical what they say i agree they may look smug at times to soem people but i dont really see a big problem only ohter day Froome praised Kwiatkowski as being top 5 material saying he is impressed with him. |
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| atlanta |
Posted on 04-05-2014 18:17
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alexkr00 wrote:
My guess on why people have a better opinion on Contador is that he would still be a pretty decent climber/rider without his sweets. Froome on the other hand, well, just look at his results before Vuelta 2011.
Yes Alberto is the biggest talent ever it was all talent when battling Rasmussen wasn't it. Hw the hell do we no he would still be good that is absurd. Nobody no's who would be the best in a clean field no one. |
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| CountArach |
Posted on 04-05-2014 18:19
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atlanta wrote:
Also what the hell do you mean unless i look back through all the pages whats you point? I think your find most people have agreed in a way with me good try though
Wow you are even more deluded than you appear.
I just find it wierd how people are always against Froome so much yet love Alberto Contador.
Some people dislike Froome for other reasons, like stupid riding style and Sky tactics, and they see Contador as the alternative to that. Most of us who hate Froome for his drug use hate Contador... for his drug use.
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| atlanta |
Posted on 04-05-2014 18:26
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Why am i deluded please explain to me why? I got called a troll is Avin deluded for saying something not true? And again im not really labelling Daily against Froome i find it more on other boards i dont agree though their is way more about Froome else do you go on cycling news? Suprised noAlbasini page in the clinic yet lol.
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And yes i agree about tactics i think the TDF 2012 was the big turn vs sky dont you think. I dont think Froome needs sky though he is no Wiggins he can follow when he like's, of course it helps alot though.
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| CountArach |
Posted on 04-05-2014 18:32
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atlanta wrote:
Why am i deluded please explain to me why? I got called a troll is Avin deluded for saying something not true? And again im not really labelling Daily against Froome.
I think you will find that most of us who have been here for years dislike him for one reason or another and I would dare say most of us think he is doping. That is why you are deluded - very few people actually disagree with you.
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i find it more on other boards i dont agree though their is way more about Froome else do you go on cycling news? Suprised noAlbasini page in the clinic yet lol.
The cyclingnews forum is legendarily bad because that is where so many more casual fans go. This forum is far less deluded about things like Froome's innocence.
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| CountArach |
Posted on 04-05-2014 18:34
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atlanta wrote:
And yes i agree about tactics i think the TDF 2012 was the big turn vs sky dont you think. I dont think Froome needs sky though he is no Wiggins he can follow when he like's, of course it helps alot though.
Sure but the tactics weren't the whole story. They were supremely boring, sure, but the main thing was that Wiggins came from absolutely nowhere to win the biggest race in the world against far, FAR better riders.
As for Froome's tactics, I agree that he is less boring than Wiggins. Then again, that could describe any rider in the peloton. He still looks at his power metre every 2 seconds.
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Posted on 04-05-2014 18:37
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
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Yeah, the retarded girlfriend and non-aestethic riding style are two great reasons to dislike someone... 
Are you sitting on your brain Admir? Because Stromeons post was obviously ment in funny manner, while i agree with him on all points. I dont cheer much for any doper, but howe Froome looks on the bike and presents himself (also throught that bitch, dont tell me you would not tell you girlfriend go fuck yourself when you destroy my public image). Also we know you like boredom, you like mr. i dont care about nothing else than Tour. 
Romandie performance is nothing alienish, but it shows us, that he will dominate once again.
We also know that having serious ilness makes you best athlete worldwide, very logical, yes.
And you are just trolling atlanta, i would advice everybody to not start serious discussion with you, if you want to ignore previous hundred and more pages...
I apologize if it was meant in funny matter or some kind of joke, never seen it. But if he was serious, it's another story, as that's just not enough for me (personally) to hate or even dislike someone. I also dislike Froome's riding style, but that's just his way and as long as he's winning, I am sure he won't change it. As we're on this topic, Mr. Best Ever (read as Andy Schleck) has supreme riding style.
On another side, I'll stay neutral and won't talk about a possiblity that Froome's (or any other active cyclist, tho) doped, as that's not yet proven and I really hope it won't be in near future, as that will once again destroy the reputation of cycling. I do have my opinion about it, but no way I am going to start a huge discussion about it, so... yeah.
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| atlanta |
Posted on 04-05-2014 18:39
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Ok i fair points you make but i want say Wiggins wininng the TDF was a suprise was it. Sure in 08 it would be but remeber Wiggins came 4th in a team not named Sky in 2009. Regardless of being beat by his teammate and shown up in 2011 it still is difficult to podium the Vuelta so i was not suprised atall in 2012 way he was riding. |
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| CountArach |
Posted on 04-05-2014 18:48
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atlanta wrote:
Ok i fair points you make but i want say Wiggins wininng the TDF was a suprise was it. Sure in 08 it would be but remeber Wiggins came 4th in a team not named Sky in 2009. Regardless of being beat by his teammate and shown up in 2011 it still is difficult to podium the Vuelta so i was not suprised atall in 2012 way he was riding.
Here are Wiggin's GT results through his entire career:
2003 Giro - Outside Time Limit Stage 18
2005 Giro - 123rd
2006 TDF - 123rd
2007 TDF - Abandon after stage 16 but a long way back on time
2008 Giro - 134th
2009 Giro - 71st
2009 TDF - 3rd (4th on the road)
2010 Giro - 40th
2010 TDF - 23rd
2011 Vuelta - 3rd
2012 TDF - 1st
And he hasn't completed a GT since.
My point is this - how can you take this as a natural development? This is not how cyclists develop naturally, where instead they get a gradual year-on-year development. Jumping from relative obscurity to climbing super talent over the course of one year (2008->2009 in this case) is indicative of doping. Particularly when one returns to 40th the next year, showing either others catching up in doping or something going wrong with the program.
This is what needs to be explained - how can one person develop into a climbing talent in the course of one year without some sort of products to help? His jump in 2009 was bad enough but then when you consider that he was on the decline from GT riding after that and THEN jumped back up to podium at the Vuelta, there is no consistent narrative. How can you explain this without recourse to doping products?
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 04-05-2014 18:53
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Not going into such debates, but viewing Wiggins GT results when he was 100% solely focused on track is pointless.
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| atlanta |
Posted on 04-05-2014 18:57
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I agree thats why i said about before 08 i dont agree he was on the decline after though not physically i mean 1 year when he done the Giro before the Tour he struggle is that just a coincidence? I no he did not go all out but still it obviously did not work or him. I also think their is always exceptions we surely cant say every cyclist devolopes same rate can we everyone is different it is not like Froome and Wiggins were good into their 30's they were good before what you would say is their cycling peak? It does not prove their clean though by any means.
I dont think we can say their doped though with 100% accuracy clearly in 09 Wiggo surely was doing sometthing else how he stay with those guys i no he was getting dropped but he still climbed quite well. |
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| atlanta |
Posted on 04-05-2014 19:00
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I never new he did the Giro in 2009 aswell so ignore that part still think the worst jump is to 2009 after i dnt see much flaws. |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 04-05-2014 21:35
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atlanta wrote:
Nope im not trolling go back and read i said why isit that their is 100 pages on 1 man, this is Sky doping thread, their is a thread called "Froome talk only" on cycling news. How can you call me a troll when i said he must be a doper if he beats Contador? But why do alot of people hate on Froome yet will spend all day in clinic and cheer a convicted doper 1 guys who is biggest troll on Cycling news says come on Alberto save us from this fraud dont you agree that is so funny?
What's funny is that you're having a rant at cycling news forum and forum members, while you are... on PCM.Daily. Yet you're picking at people from here because of how people are supposed to be on CN (I don't go there, I don't know).
Not so many people love Contador here. He's arguably less worse than Froome, but that's as far as it gets, as written above.
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| deek12345 |
Posted on 04-05-2014 21:56
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does anyone have the picture of when Froome had to stop and give his team mate his bike think he was riding for sky at the time?
Edited by deek12345 on 04-05-2014 22:04
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| EwanWilson |
Posted on 04-05-2014 22:04
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Sky aren't doped, they are negative, meaning they're clean. Just because they win doesn't make them doped. Imagine if your favorite team came from nowhere and won a shit ton of races, this is just a stupid conspiracy theory spinning around but I think, because its happened before, and people know the consequences, they won't do it. SKY AREN'T DOPED, END OF STORY
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