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info about new patch
Lachi
@ everyone who wants to know of he needs to start a new career:
Eyolfur wrote:
All the fixes are retro-compatible with careers already started, except the followin :
Plannings season 2 : World Tour invitation are ok, except if the invitation date has already passed.
Transfers : top riders as free agent may still happen if your season is after the Tour de France. If you're before, no problem.
U23 races : Check in the young riders calendar if the races are good or not. If not, a new season has to be started to have the good stages (or edit STA_stage).
Money and sponsor objectives : It needs a career start. If you're fine with your curent career, you don't need to restart !


@ the stage makers and DB builders:
Eyolfur wrote:
Note that now you must use the Mod/Stages path to add the variants. CM_stages files are required to be the orginal ones for Armada.

Edited by Lachi on 27-07-2012 11:22
 
carmelobymelo
Startlist mode is back in settings but it doesn't seem to work ;/
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CountArach
77mb, that's quite a large patch. Let's hope it fixes some stuff...
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where did you downloaded it from?
 
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acac wrote:
where did you downloaded it from?


open the game with autorun and it will ask you to download and update.
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CountArach
Just loaded up a fairly few teams to see what their sponsor goals were like. The Continental team goals are vastly improved. Some of the better teams like CCC mostly had goals in .1 races and a couple of .HC races (and even in those they were usually top 10s or stage wins, just like in real life). I then loaded AC Praha and their goals were almost entirely .2 races and either top 10s or wearing certain jeresys. That is a huge improvement.

EDIT: Oh and when I loaded AC Praha, they had 3 regional staff members and 1 national, so clearly that balancing has worked quite well too.
Edited by CountArach on 27-07-2012 11:45
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Avin Wargunnson
CountArach wrote:
Just loaded up a fairly few teams to see what their sponsor goals were like. The Continental team goals are vastly improved. Some of the better teams like CCC mostly had goals in .1 races and a couple of .HC races (and even in those they were usually top 10s or stage wins, just like in real life). I then loaded AC Praha and their goals were almost entirely .2 races and either top 10s or wearing certain jeresys. That is a huge improvement.

EDIT: Oh and when I loaded AC Praha, they had 3 regional staff members and 1 national, so clearly that balancing has worked quite well too.

That is good to hear!
I'll be back
 
diogo288
Mountain stages AI still bad for me
 
kumazan
You mean they have really improved the team goals? Wow, I really thought I'd never see that happen! Smile
 
Miguel98
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
CountArach wrote:
Just loaded up a fairly few teams to see what their sponsor goals were like. The Continental team goals are vastly improved. Some of the better teams like CCC mostly had goals in .1 races and a couple of .HC races (and even in those they were usually top 10s or stage wins, just like in real life). I then loaded AC Praha and their goals were almost entirely .2 races and either top 10s or wearing certain jeresys. That is a huge improvement.

EDIT: Oh and when I loaded AC Praha, they had 3 regional staff members and 1 national, so clearly that balancing has worked quite well too.

That is good to hear!


+1 on that.
 
Avin Wargunnson
diogo288 wrote:
Mountain stages AI still bad for me

Wow, you are the master Jedi, if you were able to judge that in 15 minutes or how long the patch is available Pfft
I'll be back
 
diogo288
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
diogo288 wrote:
Mountain stages AI still bad for me

Wow, you are the master Jedi, if you were able to judge that in 15 minutes or how long the patch is available Pfft


Its been available for the time enough for me to try 2 stages, and the results where almost noone sprinters dropped in 2 HC climbs. Before the patch 1.2 that didnt happen, but i hope that those where just 2 unlucky tries!Smile
 
CountArach
Just ran through the stage to La Toussuire with the Official Release db to make sure that it wasn't a DB issue. I admit that I did 8x it. I was Argos - Shimano and just let my guys fall off the back of the pack to see what the AI could do. The race stayed together over the Madeleine. On the Croix de Feu the race broke up and 81 men went together over the top. This grew to 112 on the decent, almost all of the riders in the pack were >71 mountain at this point. By the base of the Touissuire, after the small climb I forget the name of, it was down to 67. The pack was caught only a couple of km into the climb. Then the pace rose and Contador attacked 12km out. Evans started to set the pace and only about 30 riders stayed together. Then there was a flurry of attacks from Froome, F. Schleck, Rolland and evans. Nibali set the pace for a while, then he VDB, Wiggins and A. Schleck all attacked too. Contador took the stage, barely bating Evans. But here are the exported results:

1Alberto ContadorTeam Saxo Bank4h54'54
2Cape ErwansCOM Cycling Team+ 8
3Chris FroomeSky Pro Cycling+ 21
4Franco StarkRadiocash - Suns.t.
5Pierre RollandTeam Europcars.t.
6André StarkRadiocash - Sun+ 50
7Bradley WigginsSky Pro Cyclings.t.
8Jurgen Van den BroeckLotto Belisol+ 1'13
9Vincenzo NibaliLiquigas-Cannondales.t.
10Joaquin RodriguezKatusha Team+ 2'15
11Denis MenchovKatusha Teams.t.
12John GadretAg2r La Mondiale+ 2'32
13Omar ZopeldiaRadiocash - Suns.t.
14Thibaut PinotFDJ-BigMats.t.
15Robert GesinkRabobank Cycling Teams.t.
16Hubert DupontAg2r La Mondiales.t.
17Jean-Christophe PéraudAg2r La Mondiales.t.
18Roman KreuzigerAstana Pro Teams.t.
19Ryan HispedalGamin - Goudas.t.
20Bauke MollemaRabobank Cycling Teams.t.

Spoiler
21Christophe RiblonAg2r La Mondiales.t.
22Thomas VoecklerTeam Europcars.t.
23Jérôme CoppelSaur - Sojasuns.t.
24David MoncoutiéCofidis, Le Crédit en Lignes.t.
25Rui CostaMovistar Teams.t.
26Max ComfortRadiocash - Sun+ 3'00
27Nicolas RocheAg2r La Mondiales.t.
28Levi LoipheimerO'Mega Forme - Taxs.t.
29Kyle HarperRadiocash - Sun+ 3'16
30Mauro PinerolliCOM Cycling Teams.t.
31Jan FogsandRadiocash - Sun+ 3'56
32Wout PoelsVacansoleil-DCM Pro Cycling Team+ 4'23
33Tony MirtinO'Mega Forme - Tax+ 8'26
34Andrew KlassdenRadiocash - Suns.t.
35Jelle VanendertLotto Belisols.t.
36Juan José Cobo AceboMovistar Teams.t.
37Dan MeurtimeGamin - Goudas.t.
38Peter ValitsO'Mega Forme - Taxs.t.
39Janez BrajkovicAstana Pro Teams.t.
40David ArroyoMovistar Teams.t.
41Michael RogersSky Pro Cyclings.t.
42Dario CotaldoO'Mega Forme - Tax+ 9'05
43Kevin Da WeertO'Mega Forme - Taxs.t.
44Damiano CunegoLampre-ISDs.t.
45Matthy FrunkyCOM Cycling Teams.t.
46Simone StortoniLampre-ISDs.t.
47Tomas DanielsGamin - Goudas.t.
48Daniel Navarro GarciaTeam Saxo Banks.t.
49Rein TaaramaeCofidis, Le Crédit en Lignes.t.
50Kanstantsin SiutsouSky Pro Cyclings.t.
51Eros CapecchiLiquigas-Cannondales.t.
52Chris Anker SørensenTeam Saxo Banks.t.
53Sylvester SzmydLiquigas-Cannondales.t.
54Giampaolo CarusoKatusha Teams.t.
55Richie PorteSky Pro Cyclings.t.
56Bruno PiresTeam Saxo Banks.t.
57Lars Petter NordhaugSky Pro Cyclings.t.
58Yohan ChoppinCOM Cycling Teams.t.
59Igor AntonEuskaltel Euskadi+ 9'57
60Samuel SánchezEuskaltel Euskadis.t.
61Gorka VerdugoEuskaltel Euskadis.t.
62Christophe VanderveulenGamin - Goudas.t.
63Ion IzagirreEuskaltel Euskadis.t.
64Matteo CarraraVacansoleil-DCM Pro Cycling Teams.t.
65Rémi PauriolFDJ-BigMats.t.
66Francesco MasciarelliAstana Pro Teams.t.
67Brice FeilluSaur - Sojasuns.t.
68Jonathan HivertSaur - Sojasuns.t.
69Christophe KernTeam Europcars.t.
70Simon SpilakKatusha Teams.t.
71Juan Manuel GárateRabobank Cycling Teams.t.
72Arnold JeannessonFDJ-BigMats.t.
73Rémy Di GregorioCofidis, Le Crédit en Lignes.t.
74Egoi MartínezEuskaltel Euskadis.t.
75Kevin SeeldraeyersAstana Pro Teams.t.
76Lainus GordomanRadiocash - Suns.t.
77Bart De ClercqLotto Belisols.t.
78Alexsandr DyachenkoAstana Pro Teams.t.
79Volodimir GustovTeam Saxo Banks.t.
80Sergey LagutinVacansoleil-DCM Pro Cycling Teams.t.
81Laurens Ten DamRabobank Cycling Teams.t.
82Paolo TiralongoAstana Pro Teams.t.
83Mikel LandaEuskaltel Euskadis.t.
84Marco MarzanoLampre-ISDs.t.
85Piet StathenaGamin - Goudas.t.
86Wilco KeldermanRabobank Cycling Teams.t.
87Nicki SørensenTeam Saxo Banks.t.
88Sergio PaulinhoTeam Saxo Banks.t.
89Fredrik KessiakoffAstana Pro Teams.t.
90Jojo VanspringerenGamin - Goudas.t.
91Stevie MonravitoCOM Cycling Teams.t.
92Sandy CasarFDJ-BigMats.t.
93Amzraël MoineauCOM Cycling Teams.t.
94Blel KadriAg2r La Mondiales.t.
95Luis León SánchezRabobank Cycling Teams.t.
96Amets TxurrukaEuskaltel Euskadi+ 10'58
97Daniel MorenoKatusha Teams.t.
98Karsten KroonTeam Saxo Bank+ 11'27
99Rob RuijghVacansoleil-DCM Pro Cycling Team+ 11'40
100Johnny HoogerlandVacansoleil-DCM Pro Cycling Teams.t.
101David López GarcíaMovistar Teams.t.
102Diego UlissiLampre-ISDs.t.
103Alberto LosadaKatusha Teams.t.
104Anthony CharteauTeam Europcars.t.
105Joan HorrachKatusha Teams.t.
106Dries DovenynsO'Mega Forme - Taxs.t.
107Yury TrofimovKatusha Teams.t.
108Marzio BruseghinMovistar Teams.t.
109Branislau SamoilauMovistar Teams.t.
110Damiano CarusoLiquigas-Cannondales.t.
111Cayetano Jose SarmientoLiquigas-Cannondales.t.
112Kristijan KorenLiquigas-Cannondales.t.
113Jürgen Van De WalleLotto Belisols.t.
114Romain BardetAg2r La Mondiale+ 14'59
115Gregory Van AvortonCOM Cycling Team+ 16'59
116Tor HushavedCOM Cycling Teams.t.
117Rafal MajkaTeam Saxo Banks.t.
118Stef ClementRabobank Cycling Team+ 18'19
119Alexandre VinokourovAstana Pro Teams.t.
120Yannick TalabardonSaur - Sojasuns.t.
121Matthew LloydLampre-ISDs.t.
122Luis Angel MateCofidis, Le Crédit en Lignes.t.
123Leonardo BertagnolliLampre-ISDs.t.
124Pierrick FédrigoFDJ-BigMats.t.
125Maxime BouetAg2r La Mondiales.t.
126Fabrice JeandesbozSaur - Sojasun+ 18'52
127Maxime MéderelSaur - Sojasuns.t.
128Przemyslaw NiemiecLampre-ISDs.t.
129Morris PossoniLampre-ISDs.t.
130Nikita NovikovVacansoleil-DCM Pro Cycling Teams.t.
131Evgueni PetrovAstana Pro Teams.t.
132Gustav LarssonVacansoleil-DCM Pro Cycling Teams.t.
133Nicolas VogondyCofidis, Le Crédit en Lignes.t.
134Pieter WeeningOrica-GreenEDGEs.t.
135Guillaume LevarletSaur - Sojasuns.t.
136Lieuwe WestraVacansoleil-DCM Pro Cycling Teams.t.
137Francis De GreefLotto Belisols.t.
138Mickael BuffazCofidis, Le Crédit en Lignes.t.
139Daniele PietropolliLampre-ISDs.t.
140José Joaquin Rojas GilMovistar Teams.t.
141Rinaldo NocentiniAg2r La Mondiales.t.
142Sylvain ChovanelO'Mega Forme - Taxs.t.
143Jérémy RoyFDJ-BigMats.t.
144Valerio AgnoliLiquigas-Cannondales.t.
145Egoitz Garcia EtxegibelCofidis, Le Crédit en Lignes.t.
146Giovanni ViscontiMovistar Teams.t.
147Davide MalacarneTeam Europcars.t.
148Romain SicardEuskaltel Euskadis.t.
149Alex BallenaniCOM Cycling Teams.t.
150Moreno MoserLiquigas-Cannondales.t.
151Damien MonierCofidis, Le Crédit en Ligne+ 22'08
152Cameron MeyerOrica-GreenEDGE+ 22'59
153Cyril GautierTeam Europcars.t.
154Rudy MolardCofidis, Le Crédit en Lignes.t.
155David Le LaySaur - Sojasuns.t.
156Francisco VentosoMovistar Teams.t.
157Michael AlbasiniOrica-GreenEDGEs.t.
158Julien SimonSaur - Sojasuns.t.
159Matthew GossOrica-GreenEDGEs.t.
160Simon GerransOrica-GreenEDGEs.t.
161Lars Ytting BakLotto Belisols.t.
162Simon ClarkeOrica-GreenEDGEs.t.
163Mathieu LadagnousFDJ-BigMats.t.
164Oscar FreireKatusha Teams.t.
165Gaëtan BilleLotto Belisols.t.
166Olivier KaisenLotto Belisols.t.
167Mikel AstarlozaEuskaltel Euskadis.t.
168Mark CavendishSky Pro Cyclings.t.
169Mathieu SprickTeam Argos-Shimanos.t.
170Danilo BuenattiniRadiocash - Suns.t.
171Davide AppollonioSky Pro Cyclings.t.
172Thierry HupondTeam Argos-Shimanos.t.
173Yann HuguetTeam Argos-Shimanos.t.
174Perrig QuemeneurTeam Europcar+ 30'50
175Hans HowcherGamin - Goudas.t.
176Bernhard EiselSky Pro Cyclings.t.
177André GreipelLotto Belisols.t.
178Vincent JérômeTeam Europcar+ 32'44
179Allan DavisOrica-GreenEDGEs.t.
180Romain FeilluVacansoleil-DCM Pro Cycling Teams.t.
181Bert GrubschO'Mega Forme - Taxs.t.
182Robbie HonkerGamin - Goudas.t.
183Mark RenshawRabobank Cycling Teams.t.
184Tyler FourureGamin - Goudas.t.
185Sébastien TurgotTeam Europcars.t.
186Nacer BouhanniFDJ-BigMats.t.
187Robbie McEwenOrica-GreenEDGEs.t.
188Elia VivianiLiquigas-Cannondales.t.
189Tom VeelersTeam Argos-Shimanos.t.
190Gerald CeolekO'Mega Forme - Tax+ 36'31


Nothing out of the ordinary there (apart from the stupid names obviously). so yeah, maybe this was a one-off too, but everything seems fine there. The top 50 at least are all climbers and plenty more just below that.
Edited by CountArach on 27-07-2012 12:28
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Lachi
@diogo288:
So you played 2 stages in 15 minutes on 1x timing? How did you do that?

To judge the AI you have to use these settings:
- Use official DB which came with the patch
- Turn off daily form and variable fitness
- Set NORMAL difficulty
- Play in 1x speed (at least up the mountains)
Edited by Lachi on 27-07-2012 12:28
 
diogo288
Lachi wrote:
@diogo288:
So you played 2 stages in 15 minutes on 1x timing? How did you do that?

To judge the AI you have to use these settings:
- Use official DB which came with the patch
- Turn off daily form and variable fitness
- Set NORMAL difficulty
- Play in 1x speed (at least up the mountains)



I've played in 8x, with teams without good mountains ryders and watched how the peloton reacted.
I was just an observer, and twice in Sybelles stage i've seen guys like Cavendish passing the 2 HC's with the peloton, only in the last climb some selection was made.
The only thing that i did different was the difficulty, i've chosen hard.

If i dont relay looks like the others simply like to enjoy the view.
 
Avin Wargunnson
Guys the game should have not been about how it goes when you do nothing, but about how the game adapts to what you are doing, so i think testing need to be done like Lachi suggested...but i hope they tweaked it a bit.
I will run some tests in the afternoon.
I'll be back
 
diogo288
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Guys the game should have not been about how it goes when you do nothing, but about how the game adapts to what you are doing, so i think testing need to be done like Lachi suggested...but i hope they tweaked it a bit.
I will run some tests in the afternoon.


So if you want to ride with GreedEdge its supposed to expect that you have to set the pace of climbs? nonsense.

What is strange ist that this AI issues only happen to some group of persons
 
Lachi
Of course diogo288 is correct in this. It should not matter which team you have or how you play. The AI should make sure that game play in the mountains is reasonable throughout the whole stage and ends with a reasonable result at the finish line.
Furthermore the AI should make sure that riders not interested in the GC will drop off earlier (as announced as new feature of this game).
Edited by Lachi on 27-07-2012 13:04
 
tellico
diogo288 wrote:
I was just an observer, and twice in Sybelles stage i've seen guys like Cavendish passing the 2 HC's with the peloton, only in the last climb some selection was made.
The only thing that i did different was the difficulty, i've chosen hard.
If i dont relay looks like the others simply like to enjoy the view.


If the peloton goes slowly, even sprinters in it remain. Rode in the peloton is much much easier than to dictate the pace. Plus in this year stats are more aligned = peloton can be longer = more time needed to torn. I think that is a little too early to assess categorical in this regard.
Edited by tellico on 27-07-2012 13:07
 
Avin Wargunnson
Lachi wrote:
Of course diogo288 is correct in this. It should not matter which team you have or how you play. The AI should make sure that game play in the mountains is reasonable throughout the whole stage and ends with a reasonable result at the finish line.

True, but the test results will obviously be very different if you will make the pace from the first climb or if you drop and watch.

Edit:Also the results should be completly different when playing a single stage or last mountain stage in the GT, there are too many factors to judge it in an hour...Not even mentioning that earlier in 2012 edition stage-race mode and career mode were different gameplay wise.
Edited by Avin Wargunnson on 27-07-2012 13:09
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