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schleck93 wrote:
Juan wrote:
I like that RAI commentator, every time he speaks, he's like agressing everyone :lol:


Yes Pfft they also called Froome Kenyan, expect loads of angry brits stating that he rides on british licens. Pfft


All im going to say is he is definetly on a british license Pfft just thought i would not dissapoint you about your opion of brits Grin
 
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Haha:lol:
 
wackojackohighcliffe
schleck93 wrote:
Juan wrote:
I like that RAI commentator, every time he speaks, he's like agressing everyone :lol:


Yes Pfft they also called Froome Kenyan, expect loads of angry brits stating that he rides on british licens. Pfft


Meh, Cyclingnews call him a south africanRolling Eyes
In the final kilometres, Froome gave it a go, but the Barloworld racer could not keep the effort going through the 16% grades coming into the final kilometre. Gerrans rode away from the South African and never looked back.

 
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doddy13
Biathlon wrote:
https://www.livest...fe0b03389/

Zabriskie joined Lance and Levi on todays video blogSmile



haha
*Lance puts TT helmet on*
Dave Z: It's not another time trial
Lance: Oh shit
There's no point slapping a schleck - Sean Kelly on "Who needs a slap"
 
Biathlon
doddy13 wrote:
Biathlon wrote:
https://www.livest...fe0b03389/

Zabriskie joined Lance and Levi on todays video blogSmile



haha
*Lance puts TT helmet on*
Dave Z: It's not another time trial
Lance: Oh shit


Lance is crazy B) It's more videos on the side. 1 with JB jr and 1 with "Froggy" Gallopin
Words to live by
"What would Lance do?"
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mrlol
issoisso wrote:
Looking at the timetables for the stages, aside from the Milano stage, EVERY stage has been faster than the fastest predicted schedule.

This is killing the peloton. People are going to crack in a major way on Monday.


hm, yeah. when you start thinking about it, they indeed had some very hard stages like today's. This way even the short blockhaus stage, or the less though Vesuvio might make some solid differences.

or it could cause nivellation (is that the right english translation?). so that riders cant make a difference anymore.

edit: looking at it, saying this seems dumb: I'm keeping all options open Pfft would now go with the last part though Pfft
Edited by mrlol on 23-05-2009 18:03
 
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wackojackohighcliffe
dz is hilarious
 
Ildabaoth
What is DZ talking about? My english isn't good enough to get it right, specially because of his accent.
Disclaimer: The above post reflects just the personal opinion of the author and not a fact. But if you read it, you must accept it as the ultimate truth.
 
luckyman1
Juan wrote:
issoisso wrote:
Juan wrote:
Leipheimer reminds me Evans in last year TdF.


Kinda different.
He doesn't have a fractured collarbone and bruised hip slowing him down.

That's right. But i meant in general style, being at the limit every time, having all hopes on TTs


I hate this so much, Di Luca & co could've distanced him more if they hadn't sat up after they attacked Sad
 
issoisso
mrlol wrote:
short blockhaus stage


It's still 50/50. We'll know the final decision on the morning of the stage.
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mrlol
issoisso wrote:
mrlol wrote:
short blockhaus stage


It's still 50/50. We'll know the final decision on the morning of the stage.


either way the stage is +- 80km, thats what I was aiming at Wink
 
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Dan_Grr
Menchov will win this Giro. He will hold on to the maglia rosa like a lion, I don't see him losing it the way he is racing, climbing and the relatively expressions on his face.
 
schleck93
doddy13 wrote:
Biathlon wrote:
https://www.livest...fe0b03389/

Zabriskie joined Lance and Levi on todays video blogSmile



haha
*Lance puts TT helmet on*
Dave Z: It's not another time trial
Lance: Oh shit


DZ lips will be on that market soon Pfft
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Thor wears a live rattlesnake as a condom.
 
issoisso
Davis says he's not the type of sprinter that needs a team.

In the next sentence he complains his team didn't bother to give him lead out men.

Wait, what?

Anyway, wattages. Yes, wattages. An analysis of climbing powers so far in this Giro.

I took the liberty of translating, adapting (correcting some very small, nearly insignificant factual innacuracies) and chopping only the interesting parts of the analysis (the ones for climbs of over 20 mins, since those are the only ones where anything can be drawn from analysing climbing power. Any schmuck can do 450watts in a really short climb ):


Introduction

The return of two famous riders in this centenary Tour of Italy.
van Basso and Lance Armstrong this year trying to return to the highest level.
Before they stopped racing in 2005 and 2006, they were the two best grand tour racers. In 2006, Ivan Basso won the Giro, flying with 440 watts of average climbing power

He had, in particular, an astonishing performance at the Monte Bondone with 460 watts average for 45 minutes, better than Miguel Indurain in La Plagne in 1995.
Before his first retirement, Lance Armstrong won for the seventh time the Tour de France in 2005 with 425 watts of average power standard. [and regular performances at 450 watts]

Ivan Basso also presents his physiological data on the site www.mapeisport.it.
Shortly before the Giro, he developed 412 watts in the Giro del Trentino during the ascent of Alpe di Pampeago.

For Lance Armstrong, this is an interesting challenge and a great unknown. During his mini retirement, he kept in shape by participating in marathons and mountain bike racing.
Over the past two years, Alberto Contador took over as the best specialist in stage races in three weeks.

He won three major national tours, but with a much inferior level of performance in the mountains: 425 watts average (435 maximum) in the Tour de France in 2007 and 410 watts average (425 maximum) in the Giro 2008.
Contador did not defend Giro title. On the contrary, Carlos Sastre, Denis Menchov and Levi Leipheimer are the ones facing the two "ghosts from the past".

Stage 4: PADOVA-SAN MARTINO DI CASTROZZA

The first serious confrontation between the favorites of the race took place at the end of the fourth stage on the climb to San Martino di Castrozza.

During the stage, the first pass of the Giro, the Croce d'Aune, was been climbed together by the pack at 393 watts average.
It is a relatively high value that has not really cracked the peloton with 80 riders still in the peloton at the top of the first pass.

Voigt, De Bonis and Bellotti started the rise to San Martino with a lead reduced to 2'10 "on the pack of favorites. Voigt dropped his latest escape companions, but would be caught and passed by the pack at 2 km from the arrival.

Several teams (LPR and Acqua & Sapone) take turns on the final climb's modest 6% slope. At the end of the climb, Basso of the Liquigas team took the race in hand. Soler attacked twice, but he was cauht by Di Luca in the last fifty meters.
Danilo Di Luca won the stage in a sprint of 30 riders. Lance Armstrong was dropped in the last kilometer and conceded 15 seconds. 33 riders came to the top of San Martino at a 430 watts average.

This calculated power is a valid one [by "valid" they mean it's not abnormal for a group this large], because starting from 25 km / h, riders placed in the middle of the group can benefit from drafting wheels.

We thus had 33 riders who have developed more than 400 watts for 26 minutes. This shows that the overall level is high and conforms to recent years. For a first contact with the mountains, Lance Armstrong has been very resilient.

Croce d'aune
Peloton: 393w
Voigt+Bellotti+De Bonis: 373w

San Martino di Castrozza
Peloton: 430w
Armstrong: 425w


Stage 5: SAN MARTINO DI CASTROZZA-ALPE DI SIUSI

The riders of the Tour of Italy must this time climb at the end of the stage the long climb to the Alpe di Siusi. The rise of 24.9 km was relatively easy until 7km from the finish.

Breakaways of the day Voeckler, Serpa, Ochoa, Visconti, Pietropoli had 1 minute advantage on the peloton at 15kms to go. In front of the peloton, the Liquigas team set a fast pace on a rapid pace. The advance of the escapees rapidly decreased. Bunch packed (Pfft) at 10 km from the finish.

A peloton of about 80 riders arrived together at the last part of the climb to the Alpe of Siusi. Cheula attacked, then was joined by Devenyns but took only 5 seconds and the peloton came back to them quickly enough.

The Liquigas team powered on at 410watts for the first mile. Armstrong was dropped at 6.5 km from the summit. A little further forward, Garzelli and Cunego were dropped from the pink jersey group.

The top group contained only 25 riders at 5 km from the summit. It was still led by Szmyd, teammate of Basso. The latter then took over and accelerated gradually. He maintained an average power of 430 watts. Only 7 riders could follow: Di Luca, Leipheimer, Horner, pink jersey Lovkvist, Menchov, Sastre and Arroyo.

Arroyo was distanced, Lovkvist yielded but then came back. Basso slowed somewhat in the last kilometer, Rogers returned and Menchov won the sprint.
The first six of the stage, Menchov, Di Luca, Lovkvist, Basso, Leipheimer and Horner have developed an average power of 425 watts for about a little over 26 minutes.
The stage was short (125 km) but with a very long final climb and a partial recovery in the middle.

Basso appears less strong than in 2006. We believe his real power to be 417 watts (69 kg). Armstrong was dropped and achieved a worse climb than the previous day. With 375 watts of average, he was 80 watts from his maximum threshold (between 2000 and 2005 at the Tour de France).


Alpe di Siusi
Menchov, Di Luca: 425w
Lovkvist, Basso: 424w
Leipheimer, Horner: 423w
Sastre: 420w
Arroyo, Rogers, Kessiakoff: 419w
ten Dam: 418w
Soler: 412w
Pellizotti, Simoni: 411w
Cunego: 381w
Armstrong: 377w

Stages 6 and 8:

The analysis is boring. all you need to know is that Garzelli's failed attack in stage 6 (not 8) was insanely powerful for a solo man.

Stage 10: CUNEO-PINEROLLO
The only climb done at speed is too short (under 20 mins) for conclusions to be drawn.


Stage 12 ITT
Comparisons to usual climbing performances cannot be drawn easily due to the riders using time trial equipment to improve performance. Still, the strongly prevalent idea is that Menchov and Leipheimer's performances were quite superhuman.


Conclusion (AKA the important part. If you skip all else, read this)

What is the trend after 12 stages? Menchov, Leipheimer and Di Luca appear in the mountains to be just above the others. Menchov has just completed perhaps his finest achievement as a cyclist in his absolute show in the Cinque Terre time trial with a climb of 21 minutes at almost 470 watts (again, time trial equipment used).

Leipheimer is in a very good year, better than the Tour de France 2007 and Di Luca has regained his form of the Giro 2007. However, the road to Rome is still long, nothing says that the trend will continue.

Sastre is currently at the same level as the Tour de France 2008. Garzelli was a great animator [of the race]. He has not won a stage but currently enjoys fabulous fitness.

Basso does not have the same potential as at the Giro and the Tour in 2006 and 2005. It would be about 30 watts above what he's shown this year.

After a period of 3 seasons and a recent fracture of the clavicle, Armstrong was already a surprise. He's improves over time. The american probably does not have the same weight as when he won the Tour.
His relative climbing power is 415 watts maximum, or 40 watts less than in 2004.
To be among the favorites of the Tour de France, he must in a month and a half lose a few kilograms and improve 20 or 30 watts (absolute) power.
Armstrong is able to improve this way in such short a time, as he has already proved in the past.

Other riders have already been in bad shape in the Tour of Italy prior to shinin in the Tour de France (Greg LeMond, Jan Ullrich ...).

Edited by issoisso on 23-05-2009 21:54
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alexkr00
Rabobank seems to be everyone for Menchov now. Ten Dam who had a good chance to get a good place overall in Rome lost 6 minutes today.
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Gustavovskiy
After a period of 3 seasons and a recent fracture of the clavicle, Armstrong was already a surprise. He's improves over time. The american probably does not have the same weight as when he won the Tour.
His relative climbing power is 415 watts maximum, or 40 watts less than in 2004.
To be among the favorites of the Tour de France, he must in a month and a half lose a few kilograms and improve 20 or 30 watts (absolute) power.
Armstrong is able to improve this way in such short a time, as he has already proved in the past.

Other riders have already been in bad shape in the Tour of Italy prior to shinin in the Tour de France (Greg LeMond, Jan Ullrich ...).


Now I feel fear...
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ruben
alexkr00 wrote:
Rabobank seems to be everyone for Menchov now. Ten Dam who had a good chance to get a good place overall in Rome lost 6 minutes today.

Ten Dam announced before the time trial he would take it easy from now on to do everything for Menchov's pink jersey.
Kozontchouk and Ardila were already doing this, explaining their 'bad' results on earlier stages.
 
alexkr00
Then with Ten Dam, Ardila and Kozontchuk they don't look so weak, at leas they look stronger than LPR, though that Astana and Liquigas are way stronger.
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Alesle
issoisso wrote:
Davis says he's not the type of sprinter that needs a team.

In the next sentence he complains his team didn't bother to give him lead out men.

Wait, what?

Anyway, wattages. Yes, wattages. An analysis of climbing powers so far in this Giro.

I took the liberty of translating, adapting (correcting some very small, nearly insignificant factual innacuracies) and chopping only the interesting parts of the analysis (the ones for climbs of over 20 mins, since those are the only ones where anything can be drawn from analysing climbing power. Any schmuck can do 450watts in a really short climb ):



Huge thanks for the translation issoisso, much appreciated. Smile
 
Inferio
Today's group:
Jose Serpa and Leonardo Bertagnolli (Diquigiovanni), Lars Ytting Bak (Saxo Bank), Daniel Navarro (Astana), Eduard Vorganov (Xacobeo-Galicia), Andriy Grivko (ISD), Marco Pinotti (Team Columbia-Highroad), Pablo Lastras (Caisse d'Epargne), Marco Marzano (Lampre), Serge Pauwels (Cervelo Test Team), Nikita Eskov (Katusha), Gorazd Stangelj (Liquigas), Mauro Facci (Quick Step), Matteo Montaguti (LPR Brakes Farnese Vini), Alessandro Donati (Acqua & Sapone - Caffe Mokambo) and Hector Gonzalez (Fuji-Servetto)

Facci for more agressive kilometres...Grivko must really want the green jersey but he have to be tired after today's stage...If the group will do it to the finish, my favourite is Serpa ;-)
 
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