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Le Tour 09: Stage 15 - Pontarlier - Verbier (SUI)
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| Waghlon |
Posted on 19-07-2009 17:12
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ruben wrote:
Kenny van Hummel survived!!!
He's my new hero!
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 19-07-2009 17:12
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Although Wiggins was impressive, please relax. I find it very unlikely that he can keep up like this on harder climbs like the Ventoux.
.. but then again, no one knows what he can do. |
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 19-07-2009 17:13
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ruben wrote:
Kenny van Hummel survived!!! Finished at 45 minutes after being dropped on the first climb.
Great effort by him today. It will be even greater if he can somehow survive the alps.
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| ruben |
Posted on 19-07-2009 17:13
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CrueTrue wrote:
Although Wiggins was impressive, please relax. I find it very unlikely that he can keep up like this on harder climbs like the Ventoux.
.. but then again, no one knows what he can do. Hmm, Ventoux is only a bit longer, it's not that much harder in percentage...
The way Wiggins climbs today, I think he will survive and suprise you on Ventoux |
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| schleck93 |
Posted on 19-07-2009 17:15
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ruben wrote:
CrueTrue wrote:
Although Wiggins was impressive, please relax. I find it very unlikely that he can keep up like this on harder climbs like the Ventoux.
.. but then again, no one knows what he can do. Hmm, Ventoux is only a bit longer, it's not that much harder in percentage...
The way Wiggins climbs today, I think he will survive and suprise you on Ventoux
Yes but on Mont Ventoux the climb start a bit before the actual climbing begin, with 5 km with percentages of 3-5, the last 16 km is about 8% + most of the way.
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| luckyman1 |
Posted on 19-07-2009 17:15
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1. Contador
2. Wiggins
3. Nibali
4. A.Schleck
5. Kloden/F.Schleck/Sastre
This is what I think/hope, but my bets at the start of the Tour was for Andy to win and Moreau for polka-dot  |
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| Goldberger |
Posted on 19-07-2009 17:17
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The norwegian commentators were praising Sastre today saying he rode smart and within his limits.
But isn't this a stage Sastre should gain time? I don't think it's impressive getting dropped from the group and then get back and finish in group 2. Sastre should have finished with Conta or atleast A.Schleck today.
And btw if Wiggins is second in Paris I don't know what I will do.
Edited by Goldberger on 19-07-2009 17:18
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| KurtinSC |
Posted on 19-07-2009 17:19
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ruben wrote:
CrueTrue wrote:
Although Wiggins was impressive, please relax. I find it very unlikely that he can keep up like this on harder climbs like the Ventoux.
.. but then again, no one knows what he can do. Hmm, Ventoux is only a bit longer, it's not that much harder in percentage...
The way Wiggins climbs today, I think he will survive and suprise you on Ventoux
The thing about wiggins that is promising is that not only did he "hang on" to a lead group... he attacked it.
Once he got away from lance he also rode at the front until Nibali attacked at the line.
The fact that he had the strength to take the lead in chasing Contador down to me shows that it's less likely for him to drop off. He may actually be an agressor in the days to come (though perhaps not on 17... I can see him taking it as easy as he can because of the TT on 18. |
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| swsquires |
Posted on 19-07-2009 17:22
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It is interesting that with Bradley in 3rd after today the talk about him doping will increase. The problem is that people no longer look for the facts behind changes in performance. Bradley has always been very talented, but didn't apply himself to the road. I remember him saying in past years that he wouldn't do training rides on the road longer than 4 hours as he didn't want to affect his performance on the track. Lose a load of weight, apply yourself and perform better - simple really. Good for him. Cancellara has lost weight too and hopes he can one day be a contender, which I'd love to see. Funnily enough, I believe Cav has also lost something like 7 kilos in the last year, allowing him to climb well enough to win races like the MSR.
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 19-07-2009 17:23
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CrueTrue wrote:
Although Wiggins was impressive, please relax. I find it very unlikely that he can keep up like this on harder climbs like the Ventoux.
.. but then again, no one knows what he can do.
He was more than impressive..(I just ignore Serpa comment)..there was the moment when look on he´s face was: This is booring. I have more to give. What climbers do when they have this feeling?
Saxo did great..they destroyed Astana "Wall" and fast.
Lance is strong guy..coming back like this..well done. He sayd that something is missing..In top form Lance jumped off the seat and 5km straight tik-tak..tik-tak.
For now we dont have a rider..who cant keep up with that tempo. Even Pantani looked like sunday cyclist when he tryed to follow that speed.
2009 Lance is sitting..
Edited by Guido Mukk on 19-07-2009 17:34
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 19-07-2009 17:35
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swsquires wrote:
It is interesting that with Bradley in 3rd after today the talk about him doping will increase. The problem is that people no longer look for the facts behind changes in performance. Bradley has always been very talented, but didn't apply himself to the road. I remember him saying in past years that he wouldn't do training rides on the road longer than 4 hours as he didn't want to affect his performance on the track. Lose a load of weight, apply yourself and perform better - simple really. Good for him. Cancellara has lost weight too and hopes he can one day be a contender, which I'd love to see. Funnily enough, I believe Cav has also lost something like 7 kilos in the last year, allowing him to climb well enough to win races like the MSR.
I agree completely with that. The same thing happened with Vande Velde last year. There's a major difference between just suddenly getting good for no reason at all and becoming good after having lost a lot of weight and focusing on road training instead of the track.
I can see why it seems weird that a track rider is now climbing with the best in Tour de France - but the reasons for it seem plausible. |
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| Dan_Grr |
Posted on 19-07-2009 17:42
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1. Contador
2. Armstrong
3. Wiggins
4. Kloden
There's a chance Kloden can get up to 3rd and Astana do 1-2-3 in the Tour de France. Never been done?
Although Kloden is probably going to be sacrificing for Armstrong or Contador. It would be fun and sad at the same time seeing Astana on a hat trick. |
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| Immortal |
Posted on 19-07-2009 17:44
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Goldberger wrote:
The norwegian commentators were praising Sastre today saying he rode smart and within his limits.
But isn't this a stage Sastre should gain time? I don't think it's impressive getting dropped from the group and then get back and finish in group 2. Sastre should have finished with Conta or atleast A.Schleck today.
Currently, Sastre isn`t close to Contadors level of climbing (and neighter are anyone else for that matter)
As for Andy, Sastre might have been stronger than him last year, but you have to remember that not only has Andy gotten older, but Sastre isn`t exactly getting any younger eighter. And even for a guy with Sastre`s recuperation, the Giro has had it's effect on the body.
Personly I think he road smart and pretty much like expected. Didn`t seam like he suffered much, I must admit that I have rarely sean a guy with such a big grin on his face at the same time as he is getting dropped on a climb.
Also, on an other matter, massive credits has to be given to Van Hummel. Getting dropped on the first climb, he fought through the whole stage and managed to finish inside the time limit, 12min. behind the second worst rider. He is now 40min. behind the second last guy in the general classification. If there is any justice in this universe he deserves a stage win at the Champs... although sadly, his chances of finishing this year are rather slim... |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 19-07-2009 17:49
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Dan_Grr wrote:
1. Contador
2. Armstrong
3. Wiggins
4. Kloden
There's a chance Kloden can get up to 3rd and Astana do 1-2-3 in the Tour de France. Never been done?
Although Kloden is probably going to be sacrificing for Armstrong or Contador. It would be fun and sad at the same time seeing Astana on a hat trick.
And how do you see Armstrong keeping his lead? |
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| Biathlon |
Posted on 19-07-2009 17:51
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Cadel Evans said: CadelOfficial Sorry kids. I had my first 'bad day' in 5x #tdf's today. If I looked shocking, it was nothing compared to how I felt...
Words to live by
"What would Lance do?"
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 19-07-2009 18:02
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Dan_Grr wrote:
1. Contador
2. Armstrong
3. Wiggins
4. Kloden
There's a chance Kloden can get up to 3rd and Astana do 1-2-3 in the Tour de France. Never been done?
Although Kloden is probably going to be sacrificing for Armstrong or Contador. It would be fun and sad at the same time seeing Astana on a hat trick.
Dont be worried this will change (TTT standing will change). First place is permanent if something weird will not happens. I realy like to see Wiggins at the end on this list..
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| kida |
Posted on 19-07-2009 18:08
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I hope that Andy was impressed with Contador's attack today (and on a side note i await Andy's excuse, something to do with motorbikes helping Contador or something ).
I noticed that someone posted a note to all Americans about being quiet about Lance winning, I didn't want him to win anyway.
Also chapeau to Wiggins. |
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| Speedtrash |
Posted on 19-07-2009 18:14
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just relax guys, this one was just 1st stage from Alps and Ventoux, and I would say the easiest...
so there will be a lot more GC changes in next days, especially on Mt.Ventoux, I think it has never been such a mountain finish so late in the Tour, even after 2nd TT, riders will have like 3300 km in their legs a we might see some real cracks....
Sastre-I think he just wasnt able to follow hell-tempo set by other teams on the beginning but then he climbed very vell, he likes more "steady" climbing on longer climbs (yet to come) where he can attack and almost nobody can follow, and he is the guy for 3rd week, his time is still to come
Contador-if nothing special happens he will win
Peter Velits great ride!!! I hope now he is definitely team leader, not Gerdemnann or Knees |
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| YtimK |
Posted on 19-07-2009 18:16
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about Bradley "Pasamontes-Pantani-Jimenez" Wiggins:
dear its so obvious. oh he lost 8 kilo?
I'm gonna tell that Förster and Kirsipuu to become the next years Tour de France GC Contenders. its just so ridiculous
"Sometimes in football you have to score goals." - Thierry Henry understands
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| cio93 |
Posted on 19-07-2009 18:31
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YtimK wrote:
about Bradley "Pasamontes-Pantani-Jimenez" Wiggins:
dear its so obvious. oh he lost 8 kilo?
I'm gonna tell that Förster and Kirsipuu to become the next years Tour de France GC Contenders. its just so ridiculous
exactly my opinion...I can see TDF podium 2010:
1. Wiggins
2. Grabsch
3. van Hummel ( )
I just can't believe what Wiggins does...I mean just loose 10 kg weight and you'll be in the contest to win the tour... |
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