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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 31-05-2007 17:12
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COming into the finish Tiralongos bike basically broke and he went down, this caused an Ag2r rider, Usov I think, to hit the Barriers trying to avoid him. Bettini had to pull up to avoid the fallen riders.
Tossato was at the fron for Bettini but he pulled up leaving Petacchi at the front with over 500m to go. Petacchi sprinted flat out with Richeze at his wheel. Petacchi hung on to win as Richese couldnt get round him, while Breschel took 3rd. |
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| Addy291 |
Posted on 31-05-2007 18:42
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i didn't see it but someone said that Petacchi started his sprint from 750m out |
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Posted on 31-05-2007 18:58
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He probably did, the crash took out the first 2 men so Petacchi was suddenly the 2nd in line, so when Tossatto pulled off Petacchi was up front with a long way to go. |
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 31-05-2007 19:31
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Giro has done his job...no big contenders left against Petachi |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 31-05-2007 19:48
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Petacchi is usually the only one of the big sprinters who finishes the Giro.
usually, finishing the Giro is very bad for someone wanting to do well at the Tour. |
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 31-05-2007 19:54
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Yes it seems to be hardest tour for spinter to drag himself over all this mountains. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 31-05-2007 20:31
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Guido Mukk wrote:
Yes it seems to be hardest tour for spinter to drag himself over all this mountains.
it usually is, but I think this year, that honour belongs to the vuelta:
3 special category mountaintop finishes + a long timetrial, all before the first rest day 
not to mention what comes after that...
oh, and by the way...the mythical Lagos de Covadonga climb on day 4 
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| allez21 |
Posted on 31-05-2007 22:10
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Last couple of days Petacchi was destroying the mountains. In the Monte Zoncolan stage he was the only Milram rider to make it to the base of the Zoncolan with the leaders. Indeed he has improved a lot. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 31-05-2007 22:12
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allez21 wrote:
Last couple of days Petacchi was destroying the mountains. In the Monte Zoncolan stage he was the only Milram rider to make it to the base of the Zoncolan with the leaders. Indeed he has improved a lot.
Actually, back in the day before he was a sprinter, Ale-Jet was a climber.
hard to picture?
well, get this: his first two wins as a professional were a stage and the mountains jersey in the Tour Langkawi 
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 31-05-2007 22:21
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issoisso wrote:
allez21 wrote:
Last couple of days Petacchi was destroying the mountains. In the Monte Zoncolan stage he was the only Milram rider to make it to the base of the Zoncolan with the leaders. Indeed he has improved a lot.
Actually, back in the day before he was a sprinter, Ale-Jet was a climber.
hard to picture?
well, get this: his first two wins as a professional were a stage and the mountains jersey in the Tour Langkawi
Hm I didnt know that fact...Retired Jaan Kirsipuu last interview was a hes conclusion: sprinter dont need doping, if sprinter wants to get over the mountains in top 30,then he needs dope to help.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 31-05-2007 22:35
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Guido Mukk wrote:
issoisso wrote:
allez21 wrote:
Last couple of days Petacchi was destroying the mountains. In the Monte Zoncolan stage he was the only Milram rider to make it to the base of the Zoncolan with the leaders. Indeed he has improved a lot.
Actually, back in the day before he was a sprinter, Ale-Jet was a climber.
hard to picture?
well, get this: his first two wins as a professional were a stage and the mountains jersey in the Tour Langkawi
Hm I didnt know that fact...I saw myself that magenta shirt was in the group before Zoncolan. Retired Jaan Kirsipuu last interview was a hes conclusion: sprinter dont need doping, if sprinter wants to get over the mountains in top 30,then he needs dope to help.
unfortunately, nowadays, everyone's a suspect...
and not just in cycling...
interesting comment by Jan. Ironically, I can't remember anyone who was a worse climber than him.
But then again, that's to be expected...he is HUGE! that weight slowed him down immensely uphill |
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 31-05-2007 22:44
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Yes I think he feels kind of frustrated because...Being terrible in the mountains he losed possibility for example win the TdF overall spinter ranks. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 31-05-2007 22:47
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Guido Mukk wrote:
Yes I think he feels kind of frustrated because...Being terrible in the mountains he losed possibility for example win the TdF overall spinter ranks.
yes, quite possible, but I wasn't suggesting he was lying. I honestly believe he means what he said. |
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| allez21 |
Posted on 31-05-2007 22:50
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Addy291 wrote:
i didn't see it but someone said that Petacchi started his sprint from 750m out
Yeah he basically did. There was complete anarchy and so he was forced to go early. It looked like he ran out of gas with like 100m to go but he held off Richeze (sp?)
EDIT: oops i didnt see someone already answered your question... oh well
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 31-05-2007 22:58
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I try to share with my bad english translation.This is al bit longer version about what Jaan Kirsipuu sayd about last time doping issue in interview. When I am boring then sry:
* Zabel one week EPO usage is not beliveble, but there is not possibility to prove nothing. You dont need doping to sprint well, to get over mountains -yes. How Zabel climbed on top 30..was not normal.
* About Riis - Italians and Spaniards teams was jealous about how well Riis was using doping. French press just was talking about they riders dont train enough. Later on Frech riders started to use doping also ,but not that organised has Spaniards or Italians. After 1998 Festina scandal was one year silence..after that all started again. All this scandal now is nothing to compared how deep this problem really is.
* Quick-step - Quick-step was dominating last year spring classics. This year nothing big. They hold low profile this year. French teams dont want hire strong riders from others country because they afraid to get doped one. Inside circle knows exatly what is going on, only one top rider named Thor Hushovd has so far named as clean man.
* After all I am happy with possible antidoping revolution. They was so good that even you are in top-shape you just cant stay back on they wheel.
Btw. retired Jaan was 50-th. in 26.th.Tartu Rattamaraton. Brother Toomas was 20th.
Edited by Guido Mukk on 31-05-2007 22:58
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| issoisso |
Posted on 31-05-2007 23:11
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Guido Mukk wrote:
I try to share with my bad english translation.This is al bit longer version about what Jaan Kirsipuu sayd about last time doping issue in interview. When I am boring then sry:
* Zabel one week EPO usage is not beliveble, but there is not possibility to prove nothing. You dont need doping to sprint well, to get over mountains -yes. How Zabel climbed on top 30..was not normal.
* About Riis - Italians and Spaniards teams was jealous about how well Riis was using doping. French press just was talking about they riders dont train enough. Later on Frech riders started to use doping also ,but not that organised has Spaniards or Italians. After 1998 Festina scandal was one year silence..after that all started again. All this scandal now is nothing to compared how deep this problem really is.
* Quick-step - Quick-step was dominating last year spring classics. This year nothing big. They hold low profile this year. French teams dont want hire strong riders from others country because they afraid to get doped one. Inside circle knows exatly what is going on, only one top rider named Thor Hushovd has so far named as clean man.
* After all I am happy with possible antidoping revolution. They was so good that even you are in top-shape you just cant stay back on they wheel.
Btw. retired Jaan was 50-th. in 26.th.Tartu Rattamaraton. Brother Toomas was 20th.
that's a pretty interesting read.
First time I see a rider that big coming out with such a story.
It all sounds very believable to me. but then again, who am I to judge?
I remember a while ago, there was an article published somewhere that claimed to be a conversation by Messenger between Frankie Andreu and Jonathan Vaughters (two former US Postal riders).
basically, the important bits of it were Vaughters saying that when he left Discovery (then it was called US Postal), he was very angry that Armstrong had told the whole team it was okay to use dope since "everybody was doing it", when in fact he got to Credit Agricole and found that there was no doping there.
It appears he was especially surprised that Moreau could finish the Tour in the top 5 and not be doped.
and about the Quick.Step guys...just the other day I was thinking how suspicious it was that Boonen was suddenly so much weaker after all the investigations...
It just seems so sad to me that a rider could be so good, yet finish his career with no really big wins because others who are doped take those wins.
anyway, sorry for the long rant...
Edited by issoisso on 31-05-2007 23:19
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 01-06-2007 00:41
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Dont be sry. that was nice reading. I also think that French teams was cleaner compaired to others.
Now after I was able to see old TdF races..1997 thru 2004..how guys like Armstrong and Pantani did 5-15 km.climbs unhumanly high and stady pace.
Waching this year Giro I dont see riders like this...and result it is more equal on GC then last years. Lets hope they all come clean at least at the moment when doping scandals are so actual.
Edited by Guido Mukk on 01-06-2007 00:54
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| issoisso |
Posted on 01-06-2007 10:24
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Guido Mukk wrote:
Dont be sry. that was nice reading. I also think that French teams was cleaner compaired to others.
Now after I was able to see old TdF races..1997 thru 2004..how guys like Armstrong and Pantani did 5-15 km.climbs unhumanly high and stady pace.
Waching this year Giro I dont see riders like this...and result it is more equal on GC then last years. Lets hope they all come clean at least at the moment when doping scandals are so actual.
just for comparison, Simoni the other day at the Zoncolan beat the Giro's climbing speed
record but needed the help of two great climbers (Piepoli, Schleck), and even then, he just barely made it.
Basso, last year Maielletta Passo Lanciano 1805 Vertical Metres/Hour
Simoni + Piepoli + Schleck (3 guys working together !!) 1850 Vertical Metres/Hour
either Basso is unbelievable, or that's the proof of what you said, right there...
of course...nothing tells us Simoni isn't doped either...
at this stage, there are only three or four teams that I 100% believe are clean. |
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 01-06-2007 15:20
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When Simoni settled the high pace..and was alone in front..he was able to pedal about 2km..after that tempo was slowing down and his face told - thats it...without this year Giro best glimber Piepoli help?..who knows.
Nice Mayo win today..what a tour for Saunier (best team).
Edited by Guido Mukk on 01-06-2007 17:52
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| ruben |
Posted on 01-06-2007 19:25
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Tomorrow the TT. Simoni must ride the TT of his life if he wants to hold his 3rd place. Cunego and Mazzoleni both only 1 minute behind! |
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