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wackojackohighcliffe
because labour was on its knees, divided and unsure what to do, and because patriotic britons were inspired by victory in the pointless and tremendously wasteful falklands war
 
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Crommy
And I totally agree with you on that point Wink
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mb2612
Gays were prety alienated already, She never put anyone on capital punishment while prime minister. Again she was massively succesful at first but in the last 2 years her government fell apart.
Also there isn't a soingle politician who enters politics against there own interests
 
Levi4life
Palin just lost the election for McCain(IMO) by saying she supports a constitutional ammendment to ban gay marriage.

There is no way this could possibly help the McCain campaign as those who would like to see a ban are already planning to vote for McCain and those true conservatives out there (though they are few) will not like this infringement on states rights. McCain has supported states rights on this issue. Though an ammendment to define marriage as between a man and a woman will never pass (A super-majority vote in favor in both houses of congress and 75% support from states legislator is needed) this was a really stupid move on Palin's part.
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trueatfirstlight
Well, I'm not even going to remotely try and defend the McCain-Palin campaign, but look at it strategically. The paramount reason for Sarah Palin being on the ticket is to appeal to the right-wing, Christian conservative bible-belt demographic of middle America = red states. When you are dealing with FPTP electoral systems, you generally deal with party centrism, due to the simple fact that both parties attempt to increase their appeal toward other constituencies since they are essentially vying for the same bloc of voters. The very same phenomenon occurred in the UK with Blair's New Labour party, which attempted to (successfully) appeal toward middle-class conservatives. It's not surprising; it's just simple political pandering.
Everybody has said that choosing Palin for his running mate was McCain's biggest mistake, but in reality, he needed a running mate like her in order to help him gain some support back from his own party.

I agree that it's a very naive public comment to make coming from someone in her position, and one that may come back to bite her before 2 November, but I realistically cannot see the McCain-Palin ticket drumming up much support from libertarians or the pro-choice crowd anyway. Smile A constitutional amendment like that would never make it past congressional proposition.

And as far as "true conservatism" goes, remember that our country has not known nor has ever been guided by the tenets of true Burkean conservatism. Nowadays, that term is just as ambiguous as "liberal," and often take on very different meanings with very different connotations depending on which country's policy/political system you are referring to.

Anyway, I hate talking about US politics. Let's discuss why the UK rebate sucks. :lol:
 
CrueTrue
News are coming in that an attack on Obama has been averted.

It's FOX News, though, so you never know.
 
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trueatfirstlight
CrueTrue wrote:
News are coming in that an attack on Obama has been averted.

It's FOX News, though, so you never know.


Unfortunately, this is true. Not much is being reported on it yet.
https://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5js...AD9435AK80

On an only slightly lighter note, these guys must have been some of the dumbest potential "assassins" ever. Checklist:

-Burglarize houses to fund rampage. Nope. Foiled by parked cars and barking dog. gg.
-Purchase rope and ski masks at Wal-Mart. Check.
-Steal handguns from parents. Check.
-Brag openly about intentions and swagger. Check.
-Scrawl swastikas on the same car they would use to roll through the country while engaging in hate crimes. Double-check.
-Shoot window out of predominantly African-American church. Check, check and check.
-Rent white tuxedos and top hats to accentuate racial purity (an inference).
-Kill 88 black people (probably not the phraseology used). One eight for each “H†in Heil Hitler.
-Behead 14 for the 14-word white supremacist mantra.
-Shoot at Sen. Obama drive-by-style.

Really really? Just.. wow.
 
matt493
This is what I have to say.

Abraham Lincoln - Freed slaves assassinated
JFK - fought segregation assassinated

Obama is a better man then me for trying to become the President. The worst thing for USA right now would be to murder him. Now there is still tensions between african americans and white people so an assassination would be terrible. This was a low risk low chance of succeeding. Soon they will develop and that is not a good thing. This is one time where I'm not proud to be an American.

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CrueTrue
So, guys. Does anyone know how much "Joe the Plumber" has been paid by McCain?

:lol:
 
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issoisso
According to wikipedia, he's actually Joe the "Assistant to plumbing contractor"

So, did McCain pay "Joe the Assistant to Plumbing Contractor"? Pfft
 
CrueTrue
... whos name isn't really Joe, but Samuel.
 
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diouf
I dont mind yo guys bashing for peoples politics, but please check your facts when making fun, even though it it not a very important thing, if you doesn't then it will be just....... not fun . His name is Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher. Could it in any way be possible that Joe was short for Joseph?

and if you checked wikipedia you will find this: Wurzelbacher actually does not need a plumbing license because he works for a plumbing corporation, which holds responsibility for licensing issues.
 
issoisso
diouf wrote:
I dont mind yo guys bashing for peoples politics, but please check your facts when making fun, even though it it not a very important thing, if you doesn't then it will be just....... not fun . His name is Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher. Could it in any way be possible that Joe was short for Joseph?

and if you checked wikipedia you will find this: Wurzelbacher actually does not need a plumbing license because he works for a plumbing corporation, which holds responsibility for licensing issues.


relax Wink

the "Pfft" means I'm joking. Nobody would be stupid enough to actually raise a fuss around "He's not really a plumber, just a semi-plumber" or whatever Smile
 
diouf
issoisso wrote:
diouf wrote:
I dont mind yo guys bashing for peoples politics, but please check your facts when making fun, even though it it not a very important thing, if you doesn't then it will be just....... not fun . His name is Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher. Could it in any way be possible that Joe was short for Joseph?

and if you checked wikipedia you will find this: Wurzelbacher actually does not need a plumbing license because he works for a plumbing corporation, which holds responsibility for licensing issues.


relax Wink

the "Pfft" means I'm joking. Nobody would be stupid enough to actually raise a fuss around "He's not really a plumber, just a semi-plumber" or whatever Smile


i couldnt be more relaxed.

just think it's kinda strange comment, who ws neither funny or constructive, but maybe that's just meSmile
 
issoisso
My point with the original comment is that the whole situation is completely ridiculous, that's all Wink
 
CrueTrue
I agree with isso. I was fully aware of the fact that his middle name is Joe (or Joseph). But that doesn't make the whole Joe the Plumber story less funny.
 
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CrueTrue
Where's Joe? :lol:

(By the way, that girl on the right side of McCain - wow, she looks sad Pfft)


Edited by CrueTrue on 31-10-2008 09:25
 
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CrueTrue
It's time to put the election into a context
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Edited by CrueTrue on 03-11-2008 11:06
 
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doddy13
hahahah Where's Joe?
then the bike thingy
There's no point slapping a schleck - Sean Kelly on "Who needs a slap"
 
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