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He's 23.

I must say I have really laughed a lot at Danish media the past days - quote: "The great Danish talent Anders Lund ....". Great? Yes, he did do some great results in U23 races in 2005, but that's it. We're in the end of 2008 now...
 
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Well, compared to other danish talents, Anders Lund is one of the greatest. This season he has done nothing, except some top10's in Wallonie, but nobody really expectet him to do better?

I rate him in the top5 of young danish cycling talents. If he can keep on progressing, he'll end up being a good domestique some day?

Breschel
Fuglsang
Alex Rasmussen
Bøchmann
Lund

?
 
CrueTrue
Again, what did he do since his succesful year in 2005? Nothing at all. Since then, he didn't really prove anything, but of course, I hope that he's still progressing and will eventually become the great talent that he seemed to be back in 2005.
 
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For outsiders, it's impossible to judge his work, since he most probably have been working for better riders the entire season. Just finishing this seasons Giro was a great succes for him imo. If his motivation is driven by results, then he have chosen the wrong team. If, as an examble, his entire season was build around Tour of Denmark, as was the story for all the danish continental riders riding that race, he might have ended on the podium, and for sure would've been in the top10.

And he actually did an overall top10 in Tour de Wallonie, which is more than most other danish riders (Tour of Denmark result doesn't count Pfft )
 
issoisso
brun sweater wrote:
For outsiders, it's impossible to judge his work, since he most probably have been working for better riders the entire season. Just finishing this seasons Giro was a great succes for him imo. If his motivation is driven by results, then he have chosen the wrong team. If, as an examble, his entire season was build around Tour of Denmark, as was the story for all the danish continental riders riding that race, he might have ended on the podium, and for sure would've been in the top10.

And he actually did an overall top10 in Tour de Wallonie, which is more than most other danish riders (Tour of Denmark result doesn't count Pfft )


Not really impossible. watching the races you can see the work he does. It's not easy, but it's spottable. For example, Klostergaard has been outstanding. There are riders who get no recognition for their work, but that doesn't mean they aren't very good at what they do (see Benjamín Noval and Vladimir Gustov)
Edited by issoisso on 26-08-2008 09:27
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Exactly my point! :-)
 
Stairs
Maybe a new view on Mads Kaggestad in that case?
Never.
 
issoisso
Stairs wrote:
Maybe a new view on Mads Kaggestad in that case?


uhhh no.
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schleck93
brun sweater wrote:
Well, compared to other danish talents, Anders Lund is one of the greatest. This season he has done nothing, except some top10's in Wallonie, but nobody really expectet him to do better?

I rate him in the top5 of young danish cycling talents. If he can keep on progressing, he'll end up being a good domestique some day?

Breschel
Fuglsang
Alex Rasmussen
Bøchmann
Lund

?


I've would rate people like Sebastian Lander, who just beated most of the Italian Junior elite, and Andre Steensen higher.
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Juniors doesn't count Pfft . Besides Lund was once 2nd in the junior worldchampionship, so ...

Steensen is a good bid as well.
 
schleck93
Damn there went my best cardPfft and for Lander I really don't hope he'll endup being a guy who can't find he's speciality like Hagen may end up being, if he don't find one.
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Stairs
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Juniors doesn't count Pfft . Besides Lund was once 2nd in the junior worldchampionship, so ...

Steensen is a good bid as well.


Indeed, it's hard to predict - I think a lot rated Martin Pedersen, whose mentality propably ended up being the problem, and Anders Lund as future super stars of Denmark after the 2005 season. The same goes for Niki Østergaard who I saw as maybe the biggest talent for years in Denmark - he couldn't quite keep up with the pro-mentality so he's back on the national scene. Still, I think Sebastian Lander seems like a good bid for at future Danish classics-man.
Never.
 
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Stairs wrote:
brun sweater wrote:
Juniors doesn't count Pfft . Besides Lund was once 2nd in the junior worldchampionship, so ...

Steensen is a good bid as well.


Indeed, it's hard to predict - I think a lot rated Martin Pedersen, whose mentality propably ended up being the problem, and Anders Lund as future super stars of Denmark after the 2005 season. The same goes for Niki Østergaard who I saw as maybe the biggest talent for years in Denmark - he couldn't quite keep up with the pro-mentality so he's back on the national scene. Still, I think Sebastian Lander seems like a good bid for at future Danish classics-man.


2 words:

Mads Christensen
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schleck93
Ohh please don't say thoose words they are a pain to hear.Pfft
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Stairs
C'mon, please don't pull poor Mads into this discussion. That is just evil!
Never.
 
issoisso
You were talking about bad attitudes, so I named one Pfft

here's a more pleasant name for you to hear: Mogens Frey Wink


EDIT: then again, that reminds me


From Torelli's History of the Tour de France

The ninth stage, from Saarluis in Germany to Mulhouse back in France, produced a strange day of racing. On the final ascent of the day, the Grand Ballon, Mogens Frey and Joaquim Agostinho, both members of the same Frimatic team, broke away. Frey had escaped earlier and Agostinho had bridged up to him. They descended together and for a while traded pace, relaying each other during the final 20 kilometers. Then Frey stopped working and just sat on Agostinho's wheel. The team manager drove up and told Frey to work. Perhaps the Dane did not understand any French. In any case, Frey refused to work and stayed glued to Agostinho's wheel, keeping his nose out of the wind.

When it came time for the sprint Agostinho, thinking it would be a show sprint that his teammate Frey wouldn't contest, started to wind it out. To Agostinho's astonishment Frey started to come around him. Furious, Agostinho rode his bike to the side of the road to force Frey to go the long way around. Frey kept coming so Agostinho put his hands out to try to block him. Angry and desperate he finally grabbed Frey's jersey and managed to cross the line first.

The band at the finish line played the Portugese national anthem in celebration of Agostinho's victory. Agostinho was sure of both his win and the force of justice and did a victory lap. The race jury didn't think that was how a race should be won and awarded the stage to Frey, relegating Agostinho to second.

Agostinho said that Frey had made signs (they didn't speak a common language) that Frey would not contest the sprint and felt cheated by Frey's cheap attempt to win the stage. Later Frey explained that he had broken away first and that Agostinho had no business bridging up to him, potentially bringing other riders along. Team boss De Gribaldy, unhappy with the mess, made the 2 share the same hotel room that night.

Edited by issoisso on 26-08-2008 14:44
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Stairs
Oh yes, the Frey-story is a classic in Denmark Pfft

Frey told that he was just furious that Agostinho had chased him down instead of spoiling the work done by the group behind Frey Pfft

Poor Agostinho. He met the Dog of Doom...
Edited by Stairs on 26-08-2008 14:56
Never.
 
issoisso
Hardly poor Agostinho, he had an immensely better career Pfft

Frey on the other hand didn't have much else, so it's more of a minor nuisance for Agostinho.
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Mads Christensen was poorly guided by Rolf Sørensen, and ended up at Quickstep. He have signed with Designa as far as I know, so maybe he'll be back some day?
 
Stairs
issoisso wrote:
Hardly poor Agostinho, he had an immensely better career Pfft

Frey on the other hand didn't have much else, so it's more of a minor nuisance for Agostinho.


Well, no, the stage victory didn't really pay off as Frey had difficulties getting a job afterwards. No, the hour record as an amateur and Olympic gold is not much Pfft Actually, most of the Danes at that time wasted their careers. Leif Mortensen, too, could have been a great rider. Unfortunately, he had to work for Ocaña and later Agostinho (damn you!) and his 6th place in the Tour as a 24-year old ended up as his best result overall in the Tour. Sadly, he retired as 28-year old.

But, he's a great commentator with his brilliant pronunciations as Borby Schülik, for instance Pfft
Edited by Stairs on 26-08-2008 15:23
Never.
 
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