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2008 Tour of Flanders - Ronde van Vlaanderen
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| Stijn_vranken |
Posted on 07-04-2008 19:09
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Ruben wrote:
Dragongod watched a different race then me it seems, pointless discussion.
i think the same |
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| mrlol |
Posted on 07-04-2008 19:11
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Remember, Terpstra had the same thing happening as Hoste: flat tire without the nutral cars(which have a dutch licence plate) stopping so he had to wait till car 11, and then come back with hoste. After it he came with the first riders(except for devolder) over the Muur.
Langeveld attacked a lot and was looking really good on the Bosberg.
Both have the potential to win this race in a few years.
on the other hand, I do agree Spilak was good, van Aevermeat... I'm not sure... I didnt see the whole race unfortunatly... |
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| dragongod1 |
Posted on 07-04-2008 19:36
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Ruben wrote:
Dragongod watched a different race then me it seems, pointless discussion.
mmm maybe for tourist cyclists like u guys it seems so  i'm no pro but i'm having my share off international racing at espoir, if i ride like langeveld my team manager would kick me off my bike(johan remels: ex belgium champ)
also like to make a gues to winner in ronde van vlaanderen for espoir
1. sep vermarcke (Jong vlaanderen)
2. sven vandousselare (Jong vlaanderen)
3. bjorn coomans (Rock werchter cycling)
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Maybe the strongest man in the race was Janek Tombak was already in the first real escape and was still trying to close the gap after bosberg
Edited by dragongod1 on 07-04-2008 19:44
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| ruben |
Posted on 07-04-2008 19:42
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Langeveld rode for Flecha... how do you call it in English a "bliksemafleider" ... |
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 07-04-2008 19:44
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| dragongod1 |
Posted on 07-04-2008 19:53
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Ruben wrote:
Langeveld rode for Flecha... how do you call it in English a "bliksemafleider" ...
i know that langeveld was riding for flecha.. but when they where off whit 5 (devolder ballan langeveld kroon ...... ) devolder didnt spend any energie cause tom boonen was in the group behind, well rabobank should have done the same that escape made the base off devolders win, when devolder went again langeveld tried to go whit him but he wasted too much on the break. |
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| ruben |
Posted on 07-04-2008 20:08
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If Langeveld didn't work the group would not have stayed away for 5km and then you would literally bring Boonen victory.
Rabobank has much more to gain in a group without Boonen then with. Flecha can't drop Boonen anyway, and would not have been in front of him if that break with Devolder/Langeveld was immediately caught. |
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| dragongod1 |
Posted on 07-04-2008 20:28
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Ruben wrote:
If Langeveld didn't work the group would not have stayed away for 5km and then you would literally bring Boonen victory.
Rabobank has much more to gain in a group without Boonen then with. Flecha can't drop Boonen anyway, and would not have been in front of him if that break with Devolder/Langeveld was immediately caught.
Off what ive seen it was easy to get out off group boonen cause he was fixated on cancellara's wheel boonen didnt pay any attention to flecha at all he was an outsider..
Anyway if langeveld is that great he will be good in paris rouxbais then as an cyclocross rider he can get far.
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| Crommy |
Posted on 07-04-2008 20:49
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Ruben wrote:
If Langeveld didn't work the group would not have stayed away for 5km and then you would literally bring Boonen victory.
Rabobank has much more to gain in a group without Boonen then with. Flecha can't drop Boonen anyway, and would not have been in front of him if that break with Devolder/Langeveld was immediately caught.
Exactly - Quickstep had a perfect position - don't chase, and devolder wins, do chase, and Boonen wins. As soon as Devolder had a decent gap, it was all over for the other teams, short of something really special - which isn't going to happen after 6 hours in the saddle - although it was nice to see Langeveld try
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| stemple |
Posted on 07-04-2008 21:15
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Crommy wrote:
Ruben wrote:
If Langeveld didn't work the group would not have stayed away for 5km and then you would literally bring Boonen victory.
Rabobank has much more to gain in a group without Boonen then with. Flecha can't drop Boonen anyway, and would not have been in front of him if that break with Devolder/Langeveld was immediately caught.
Exactly - Quickstep had a perfect position - don't chase, and devolder wins, do chase, and Boonen wins. As soon as Devolder had a decent gap, it was all over for the other teams, short of something really special - which isn't going to happen after 6 hours in the saddle - although it was nice to see Langeveld try
That is why i found Doddy's post so dumbfounding. How could he say that Quickstep made a tactical mistake. They played the team tactics perfectly. As you said, if they chase Boonen wins, if they let it go Devolder wins. The only thing i could think of as to why he said they made a tactical mistake was because he wanted Boonen to win it. Boonen seems like the kind of guy that would be pissed off if a teammate won instead of him (just my opinion), but there is no way he would be stupid enough to drag the rest of them up to Devolder.
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| Xavier |
Posted on 07-04-2008 21:24
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stemple wrote:
Crommy wrote:
Ruben wrote:
If Langeveld didn't work the group would not have stayed away for 5km and then you would literally bring Boonen victory.
Rabobank has much more to gain in a group without Boonen then with. Flecha can't drop Boonen anyway, and would not have been in front of him if that break with Devolder/Langeveld was immediately caught.
Exactly - Quickstep had a perfect position - don't chase, and devolder wins, do chase, and Boonen wins. As soon as Devolder had a decent gap, it was all over for the other teams, short of something really special - which isn't going to happen after 6 hours in the saddle - although it was nice to see Langeveld try
That is why i found Doddy's post so dumbfounding. How could he say that Quickstep made a tactical mistake. They played the team tactics perfectly. As you said, if they chase Boonen wins, if they let it go Devolder wins. The only thing i could think of as to why he said they made a tactical mistake was because he wanted Boonen to win it. Boonen seems like the kind of guy that would be pissed off if a teammate won instead of him (just my opinion), but there is no way he would be stupid enough to drag the rest of them up to Devolder.
lol Boonen is not pissed off or dissapointed that someone else of his team won, he's happy Devolder won, he celebrated in stead of sprinting for a top 10 place, just like he did when Pozzato won MSR a few y ago.
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| alex153 |
Posted on 07-04-2008 21:25
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Boonen seems like the kind of guy that would be pissed off if a teammate won instead of him (just my opinion)
It was he who gave Devolder free hands to attack, so I doubt it |
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| ruben |
Posted on 07-04-2008 21:26
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Think of it as this way, Devolder wins this race, which ensures that Devolder will work for Boonen in Paris Roubaix. If anybody of the other favourites somehow escapes, Devolder will ride his ass of to get Boonen back there. That's how most teams with 2 captains work.
This is also the reason why I critisize Evans for not waiting in Paris Nice for Popovych, to gain the stagewin. Popovych lost valuable time there (although, in the end it didn't matter). Also I think Popovych won't be so eager to help Evans in the Tour, because Evans screwed him in Paris Nice... |
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| Xavier |
Posted on 07-04-2008 21:30
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Ruben wrote:
Think of it as this way, Devolder wins this race, which ensures that Devolder will work for Boonen in Paris Roubaix. If anybody of the other favourites somehow escapes, Devolder will ride his ass of to get Boonen back there. That's how most teams with 2 captains work.
This is also the reason why I critisize Evans for not waiting in Paris Nice for Popovych, to gain the stagewin. Popovych lost valuable time there (although, in the end it didn't matter). Also I think Popovych won't be so eager to help Evans in the Tour, because Evans screwed him in Paris Nice...
Evans himself didnt want to do that at the time but he had to win for publicity (team orders) cause the share of Omega Farma(the company of predictor etc) went down and the day after that they announced a new CEO and were hoping for a boost on the stock market and/or more media coverage for that trough that win/publicity  |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 07-04-2008 21:31
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Jape has uploaded some of his photos from the race:
https://www.pcmdaily.com/photogallery....lbum_id=13 |
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| KurtinSC |
Posted on 07-04-2008 23:35
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alex153 wrote:
Boonen seems like the kind of guy that would be pissed off if a teammate won instead of him (just my opinion)
It was he who gave Devolder free hands to attack, so I doubt it
He also seemed genuinely happy that Steegmans won that TDF stage last year when Boonen couldn't get past him. |
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| Stijn_vranken |
Posted on 08-04-2008 09:20
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KurtinSC wrote:
alex153 wrote:
Boonen seems like the kind of guy that would be pissed off if a teammate won instead of him (just my opinion)
It was he who gave Devolder free hands to attack, so I doubt it
He also seemed genuinely happy that Steegmans won that TDF stage last year when Boonen couldn't get past him.
in those teams, a team victory is more important then a 1 rider winning al the time. and like the others said before. if Boonen lets Devolder win, then Devolder will do anything to help Boonen in Paris-Roubaix.
Like Steegmans last year. after his victory he did everything do get Boonen in front at the beginning of a mass sprint. |
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| Addy291 |
Posted on 08-04-2008 19:11
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I was hanging around the rider team buses and cars on Sunday, and 1 team was giving away free stuff!!!
I think you can guess which one...yep...Bouygues The only team giving away free stuff
YORKSHIRE BORN, YORKSHIRE BRED... |
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 10-04-2008 13:08
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i missed both this and gent wevelgem while in france
i think the likely winners will be devolder and freire |
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