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| Dusen |
Posted on 01-08-2014 19:42
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baseballlover312 wrote:
Why would he do that. That just opened the door. I could see this happening a lot now. Could be chaos.
I don't like this either.
I guess this is cyclings answer on "transfer"
There is no proff on this, but i suspect that BMC have paid Garmin to end Dennis' contract so they could sign him.
And yeah, this does open up a door, not sure it's a "good door" for the sport.  |
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| Jacdk |
Posted on 01-08-2014 19:48
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baseballlover312 wrote:
Why would he do that. That just opened the door. I could see this happening a lot now. Could be chaos.
If you had the chance to ride the Vuelta wouldn´t you take it?
And if Garmin didn´t intend to use him anymore it kinda makes sense or they received a good enough offer, but it kinda undermines team loyalty/cohesion and i still cant stand people like Schleck and O'grady because of this.
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| Jacdk |
Posted on 01-08-2014 19:50
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Dusen wrote:
baseballlover312 wrote:
Why would he do that. That just opened the door. I could see this happening a lot now. Could be chaos.
I don't like this either.
I guess this is cyclings answer on "transfer"
There is no proff on this, but i suspect that BMC have paid Garmin to end Dennis' contract so they could sign him.
And yeah, this does open up a door, not sure it's a "good door" for the sport. :(
Agree 100% and its a bad door, If a rider cant stay loyal and ride his best for his current team just because he is going to change, it shows a huge lack of moral also not to mention the ethics involved in this. |
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| admirschleck |
Posted on 01-08-2014 19:53
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Sadly, "bad doors" of cycling are opened for quite some time now.
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| johnnyjur |
Posted on 01-08-2014 19:54
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 01-08-2014 19:58
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Jacdk wrote:
Dusen wrote:
baseballlover312 wrote:
Why would he do that. That just opened the door. I could see this happening a lot now. Could be chaos.
I don't like this either.
I guess this is cyclings answer on "transfer"
There is no proff on this, but i suspect that BMC have paid Garmin to end Dennis' contract so they could sign him.
And yeah, this does open up a door, not sure it's a "good door" for the sport. :(
Agree 100% and its a bad door, If a rider cant stay loyal and ride his best for his current team just because he is going to change, it shows a huge lack of moral also not to mention the ethics involved in this.
Its not the worst thing tbh. Its confusing and could lead to bad situations but that is only because of the god awful points system in place.
Vaughters has said it himself. If a rider has signed for another team for next season, there is no point in racing them again for your team because ALL of the points he gains in that calendar year wont count for your own team but his new team in the next season.
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| Jacdk |
Posted on 01-08-2014 20:49
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valverde321 wrote:
Its not the worst thing tbh. Its confusing and could lead to bad situations but that is only because of the god awful points system in place.
Vaughters has said it himself. If a rider has signed for another team for next season, [b]there is no point in racing them again for your team because ALL of the points he gains in that calendar year wont count for your own team but his new team in the next season[/b].
Not entirely correct Valverde, the new uci rules are that 20 percent of sporting value points held by a departing rider will now be left with the original team.
But otherwise you are correct but there are more to this then just making points, since also only the top 10 riders will earn points for a team.
These are professional riders and they should have the moral fiber and professionalism to ride for their team until the end date, not just until they have a new contract, because we might first figure it out during the tour and here 1.Aug, but a rider will know way before and a team might depend on that rider even if they are not there next season. |
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 01-08-2014 21:16
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Jacdk wrote:
wackojackohighcliffe wrote:
Jacdk wrote:
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It's not the equivalent of hearsay, it's based on clear evidence, you evidently have no understanding of the word.
The only one who seem to have a problem understanding it seems to be you.
Its data irregularities not a positive sample so even claiming its clear evidence is ludicrous.
Again you're struggling with basic English. The values shown in the data are evidence. You can subsequently take differing conclusions for that evidence. Hearsay is rumour, not necessarily based on anything substantial, whereas the blood values are clear concrete evidence.
Your lame personal attack aside also don't try to change what you said. You used " clear Evidence"
The values shown are not clear evidence of anything, since the irregularity can be caused by anything from basic illness, using a asthma spray to eating or drinking almost anything, a good wine or steak and yes also be using doping.
So yes it is basically like listening to hearsay, its nothing but a indication and its s disgrace that in a western world any org. disregard basic legal rights and just go on a witch hunt.
My argument was entirely focused on your use of the word 'hearsay' [btw, it wasn't a personal attack, it was just isolating the issue]. I called it 'clear evidence' because it is, it's there to see, we can't deny that his values are what they are, with hearsay it would be a case that a bloke on the street was saying his blood values were 'so' and the argument would be about that.
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| Eden95 |
Posted on 02-08-2014 09:20
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Conspiracy theory: Cannondale and Garmin will merge, and either Dennis isn't part of their plans or required too high a salary? 
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 02-08-2014 16:10
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 02-08-2014 19:51
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Miguel98 wrote:
and now even Oleg can not race with him.
I have nothing against Roman..just can not stand Tinkoff attitude. |
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| Riis123 |
Posted on 02-08-2014 20:00
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I would much rather have Oleg's/Tinkoff's attitude than that pathetic and hypocritic zero-tolerance attitude of Brailsford and Sky. |
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| CountArach |
Posted on 03-08-2014 00:29
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I like the new transfer. It means there aren't mixed loyalties at the race and it isn't like Vaughters had no say - BMC didn't buy him without his will.
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| Cossack |
Posted on 03-08-2014 21:37
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CountArach wrote:
I like the new transfer. It means there aren't mixed loyalties at the race and it isn't like Vaughters had no say - BMC didn't buy him without his will.
I think Vaughters once said that in his opinion all transfers should work in this way, as he doesn't want to use a rider just to give points to his future team.
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