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| ruben |
Posted on 11-03-2011 14:35
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Pretty nice 2011 DB but the stats for the continental teams could have used some more research
For instance, I take a look at the Rabo CT squad and see they've pretty much got random 60+ stats.
Wilco Kelderman is a pretty promising climber and got 59 in CL and 59 in pretty much every other stat
Wesley Kreder is, much like his brothers, a fast guy who can survive a hill. But also has 61/60 in pretty much every stat
Moreno Hofland, also more of an ardennes/climbing type, also random 60+ stats
Dylan van Baarla, guy from track, random 60 stats while he could use good prologue/tt+sprint stats
Jetse Bol, last year stagaire for Rabo PT, had pretty good results in mass sprints and is a good classics guy (cobbles), has 60 sp and 62 cob now..
These are just a few examples but the whole squad is like that. Seems without me there was nobody to do the CT teams stats 
I don't blame you though, it's a hard job and not fun to research everything on CQ ranking. It takes a lot of time.
What I said about Rabo CT also applies to Katusha CT, Team Energy Fin, PureBlack racing, etc etc.
The demand for new teams is always there, but you shouldnt really add them if you know you don't have the time to research what these riders can do. It's pretty pointless having a bunch of generic totally random 60-stat riders.
Edited by ruben on 11-03-2011 14:35
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| baia |
Posted on 11-03-2011 16:07
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I can agree with you...of course it´s a lot of work and i like and play with Daily DB´s but would be nice to have better stats in those teams(of course we can edit them but i don´t believe in my fairness)...we would see more smaller teams storys for sure... |
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| siwi |
Posted on 11-03-2011 16:15
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Its not easy to research on 90 teams. Our lifes is not only about PCM.Daily DB, or at least my is not. Its possible i (or others) should have done some research on Rabobank CT and other teams, but i used most of the time i had to give the bigger teams better stats.
Also i dont know most of the riders on for example Rabobank CT, as you do Ruben. Never heard of them. Yes i can research and look at the junior resultats, but still its not easy to give stats because of some junior races.
And you are as always free to edit it your self.
Btw, the Energi Fyn stats are ok, the team just are that bad. |
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| AiZaK |
Posted on 11-03-2011 16:35
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Samuel Sanchez CRI 75 ! ! ! |
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| AiZaK |
Posted on 11-03-2011 16:47
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I apologize to the Admin, I have some problems with Internet in my house
I can´t delete the comments, sorry |
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 11-03-2011 16:52
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AiZaK wrote:
I apologize to the Admin, I have some problems with Internet in my house
I can´t delete the comments, sorry
I deleted them, but for future reference, you should be able to delete them. If you click to edit your post, there should be a tickbox option there to delete it
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| ruben |
Posted on 11-03-2011 16:55
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siwi wrote:
Its not easy to research on 90 teams. Our lifes is not only about PCM.Daily DB, or at least my is not. Its possible i (or others) should have done some research on Rabobank CT and other teams, but i used most of the time i had to give the bigger teams better stats.
Also i dont know most of the riders on for example Rabobank CT, as you do Ruben. Never heard of them. Yes i can research and look at the junior resultats, but still its not easy to give stats because of some junior races.
And you are as always free to edit it your self.
Btw, the Energi Fyn stats are ok, the team just are that bad. \
It's really not that hard to look up the Tour l'Avenir results on CQ ranking.com  I don't expect you to go search up junior races.
But just searching on CQ ranking on names should tell you enough.
For example
https://cqranking....;current=0
Kelderman. More than enough info to give him decent stats...
Just saying. There is room for improvement |
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| longimanus |
Posted on 11-03-2011 20:09
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I think Guillaume van Keirsbulck (Quick-Step) is way underrated. He has shown loads of talent in Kuurne-Brussel-Kuurne and the GP Le Samyn.
He shouldn't allready have really high stats, but his potential should be higher.
The same applies to Joeri Stallaert (Landbouwkrediet).
Cycling isn't a sport, it's a passion.
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 11-03-2011 20:59
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Boivin on SpiderTech is slightly under-rated I'd say. HE did tie Phinney in the U23 WC RR and Phinney has a 71 in Sprint. Boivin has 67 or something like that. Boivin could well become the top canadian sprinter in a few years, his acceleration should be higher than his sprint. I put his acc at 72 and his sprint at 70 but 69 might be alright. Also look at the Tour of California stage results from last year. Boivin finished in top 10 a few times, and ahead of good sprinters like Stauff.
David Boily is WAY underrated. He is an alright climber, and deserves more than 57 in Mountain. He may be the best climber on SpiderTech and he won the mountain stage in last years Tour de Beauce. He actually has a decent finish too.
And Euser should also be a better climber. He suffered a near career ending knee injury so his results dont look like much but he should be able to climb better than his stats would suggest.
Martin Gilbert is also an average sprinter. He won a sprint at the Tour of Georgia 2 years ago against Hushovd, Pinfold and other medium class sprinters. He is still young so his sprinting abilty shouldn't have worsened if at all.
Riders like Parisien, Randell and Routley are all a little underrated in their sprint stats, especially Randell. Parisien can actually climb alright too. In fact Parisien is underrated so much. He is a better sprinter and climber.
Also Ian Boswell is a much better climber than 62 and he is someone that should improve a lot.
Also Jeremy Powers and Tim Johnson should have the highest Downhill stats of all the other US Cyclocross races, as they are pretty much the 2 best on the US Cyclocross circuit.
James Driscoll -> Higher Downhill (72, 73)
Paul Mach is an average climber. 69 would be alrigt but high 50's low 60's isn't even close.
Edit:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Tou...California
Added this to help my cause for some of my claims. Mostly involving, Parisien, Boivin, and Mach.
Edited by valverde321 on 11-03-2011 21:00
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| ruben |
Posted on 11-03-2011 21:39
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I did remember Boivin, Parisien and Boily from getting dropped like a stone at the GP Montreal. Care to explain that? |
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 11-03-2011 21:57
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ruben wrote:
I did remember Boivin, Parisien and Boily from getting dropped like a stone at the GP Montreal. Care to explain that?
I only said Boily was a climber. (maybe more of a puncheur actually)
Boivin's the sprinter and Parisien is sorta a climber/sprinter. And hey I'm not saying they're superstars, just something like low 70's or high 60's in their specialties as they deserve rather than high 50's for the area's in which they accel irl.
Parisien should get around 65-71 in mountain and hill and 66-70 in sprint and accelleration.
But Hesjedal 85 in every stat. Come on people, how did you miss that!
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| HansiBoyo |
Posted on 11-03-2011 21:59
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Why does Daniel Oss still have 67 in sprint...I really don't get it. In last years tour he performed 3 top-10 results, and today he became 3rd in Tirreno.
Edited by HansiBoyo on 11-03-2011 23:09
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| siwi |
Posted on 11-03-2011 23:07
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ruben wrote:
siwi wrote:
Its not easy to research on 90 teams. Our lifes is not only about PCM.Daily DB, or at least my is not. Its possible i (or others) should have done some research on Rabobank CT and other teams, but i used most of the time i had to give the bigger teams better stats.
Also i dont know most of the riders on for example Rabobank CT, as you do Ruben. Never heard of them. Yes i can research and look at the junior resultats, but still its not easy to give stats because of some junior races.
And you are as always free to edit it your self.
Btw, the Energi Fyn stats are ok, the team just are that bad. \
It's really not that hard to look up the Tour l'Avenir results on CQ ranking.com I don't expect you to go search up junior races.
But just searching on CQ ranking on names should tell you enough.
For example
https://cqranking....;current=0
Kelderman. More than enough info to give him decent stats...
Just saying. There is room for improvement
Thats very true, and im not trying to make up a excuse or something, because for sure, Kelderman should have got some better stats. My point with the result thing was more on a rider like Van Baaele, who doesnt have any results (before van Zwolle ), its difficult to give a rider like him stats IMO.
But yes there is room for improvement, i agree  but ok it will get better i think, this was first time for me.
Edited by siwi on 11-03-2011 23:08
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| AiZaK |
Posted on 11-03-2011 23:24
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any update for PCMdaily with new stats for young people???
ruben, eres español tio??? |
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| Rasmusj |
Posted on 15-03-2011 20:53
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Gesink Should have higher TT stats. his performance in Tour of Oman (Or was it Qatar?) And in Tirreno was very good.
1. Fabian Cancellara - Leopard-Trek 10.33
2. Lars Boom - Rabobank 0.09
3. Adriano Malori - Lampre-ISD 0.19
4. Rick Flens - Rabobank 0.20
5. Bert Grabsch - HTC-Highroad 0.22
6. Marco Pinotti - HTC-Highroad 0.24
7. Sebastién Rosseler - RadioShack
8. Jonathan Castroviejo - Euskaltel-Euskadi 0.25
9. Robert Gesink - Rabobank 0.27
10. Nick Nuyens - Saxo Bank 0.28
11. Gustav Larsson - Saxo Bank 0.30
12. Cadel Evans - BMC 0.31
13. Maciej Bodnar - Liquigas-Cannondale
14. Tiago Machado - RadioShack
15. Ben Hermans - RadioShack 0.34
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| Conran |
Posted on 15-03-2011 21:39
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ye, he trained at his aerodynamics, but it has yet too be seen in longer TT's he said, so let's wait with that a bit longer for more results |
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| ruben |
Posted on 16-03-2011 13:17
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The difference in longer ITT's should actually be more siginificant when improving aerodynamics.
Because it was in long TT's he used to limit the damage pretty well before 2010. As I'm sure I explained 150 times....
The Tour ITT was an anomaly. He did pretty well in long ITT's in Bejing (10th), Dauphine (13rd), Pais Vasco (5th and 9th), Tirreno (6th) and Vuelta (29th and 30th) before.
It was the short flat ITT's he struggled the most with. With improved aerodynamics, I expect a huge increase in long ITT's.
However, as related to the Daily DB. Nobody could've known this on beforehand. This DB was released before Tirreno. And the Oman ITT didn't say much because of the profile
Edited by ruben on 16-03-2011 13:18
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| hellboy |
Posted on 17-03-2011 06:15
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ruben wrote:
The difference in longer ITT's should actually be more siginificant when improving aerodynamics.
Because it was in long TT's he used to limit the damage pretty well before 2010. As I'm sure I explained 150 times....
The Tour ITT was an anomaly. He did pretty well in long ITT's in Bejing (10th), Dauphine (13rd), Pais Vasco (5th and 9th), Tirreno (6th) and Vuelta (29th and 30th) before.
It was the short flat ITT's he struggled the most with. With improved aerodynamics, I expect a huge increase in long ITT's.
However, as related to the Daily DB. Nobody could've known this on beforehand. This DB was released before Tirreno. And the Oman ITT didn't say much because of the profile
And also in Tirreno it was flat and very short time-trial .We should wait for Tour time-trial (if Gesink will be still in race ), however that time-trial is more abou recovery after 3 weeks. But he has definetely improved this year
Go Roman!
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| ruben |
Posted on 23-03-2011 17:11
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I'm going through the stats of minor riders myself now.
Might take some time though |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 23-03-2011 17:24
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MSN-time, Ruben |
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