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| Ildabaoth |
Posted on 09-04-2010 14:47
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SportingNonsense wrote:
issoisso wrote:
I prefer this part:
Matti Breschel:
Having taken 20th in 2008 and 10th in 2009... you do the math.
I did the math. He's going to be 0th?
Nah, he will be 5th
Touché.
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| Waghlon |
Posted on 09-04-2010 15:54
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mb2612 wrote:
Actually, thinking about it, using a cubic aproximation is a stupid idea. At this stage in his career an exponential prediction is more sensible, which gives him an expected result of 6.
Did you account for Breschel being Breschel?
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| Ildabaoth |
Posted on 09-04-2010 15:58
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mb2612 wrote:
Actually, thinking about it, using a cubic aproximation is a stupid idea. At this stage in his career an exponential prediction is more sensible, which gives him an expected result of 6.
You can't do a cubic neither an exponential approximation if you have just 2 initial values (20 and 10). Just being picky.
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 09-04-2010 16:20
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Ildabaoth wrote:
mb2612 wrote:
Actually, thinking about it, using a cubic aproximation is a stupid idea. At this stage in his career an exponential prediction is more sensible, which gives him an expected result of 6.
You can't do a cubic neither an exponential approximation if you have just 2 initial values (20 and 10). Just being picky.
I have 4:
2005 - 58
2006 - DNS
2007 - 14
2008 - 20
2009 - 10
That should give a reasonable idea of career progression.
EDIT: and I am not sure how to account for Breschel being Breschel, does that require me to add of subtract places?
If however you can give me a Breschel rating based on how Breschel-like he was in each of 2005-9 with 1 Breschel being his rating this year, then I am sure that can be taken into account. 
Edited by mb2612 on 09-04-2010 16:24
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| Ildabaoth |
Posted on 09-04-2010 16:25
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mb2612 wrote:
Ildabaoth wrote:
mb2612 wrote:
Actually, thinking about it, using a cubic aproximation is a stupid idea. At this stage in his career an exponential prediction is more sensible, which gives him an expected result of 6.
You can't do a cubic neither an exponential approximation if you have just 2 initial values (20 and 10). Just being picky.
I have 4:
2005 - 58
2006 - DNS
2007 - 14
2008 - 20
2009 - 10
That should give a reasonable idea of career progression.
EDIT: and I am not sure how to account for Breschel being Breschel, does that require me to add of subtract places?
If however you can give me a Breschel rating based on how Breschel-like he was in each of 2005-9 with 1 Breschel being his rating this year, then I am sure that can be taken into account.
My bad. I was just thinking about his 20th and 10th quote. 
EDIT: The Breschel being Breschel was a Waghlon thing. Ask him. I'm pretty sure there is a logical, scientific and analytic reason behind that, which only he can understand. 
Edited by Ildabaoth on 09-04-2010 16:26
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| schleck93 |
Posted on 09-04-2010 17:22
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Ildaboth, did you just mention Waghlon and logic in the same sentence?
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| Waghlon |
Posted on 09-04-2010 18:10
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The Breschel being Breschel theory: At some point Breschel will make a mistake that will affect himself, and only himself in some really weird way:
Positive examples:
Breschel forgetting he's Breschel and finishing 3rd in the WC by forgetting he was supposed to suck.
Him winning the danish championship by realizing that he's not Frank Höj and remembering he's supposed not to suck.
Negative Examples:
Anything he's ever said to the press because he remembered he's the biggest danish talent since Riis himself.
Every single time he's somehow thought he was going to win and promptly acheived not that by Breschelling into a ditch or into a puncture.
Conclusion: Man's unpredictable
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| arthon |
Posted on 09-04-2010 18:19
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According to CN, Hincapie and Ballan finished both 2nd in 2006, with Cancellara and Flecha repeating the feat in 2007. |
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| ruben |
Posted on 09-04-2010 18:20
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"Breschelling into a ditch or into a puncture."
No, that's Gesink you are thinking of |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 09-04-2010 18:52
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arthon wrote:
According to CN, Hincapie and Ballan finished both 2nd in 2006, with Cancellara and Flecha repeating the feat in 2007.
Yeah, using Cyclingnews' results on their new website is useless. You can, however, still use the old site. |
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| Xavier |
Posted on 09-04-2010 20:12
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https://www.velona...e+Results+|+VeloNation.com)
Awful translation (guest in stead of guy and other mistakes) but still a good read.  |
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| ABridgeTooFar |
Posted on 09-04-2010 22:17
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wackojackohighcliffe wrote:
ABridgeTooFar wrote:
Does anyone else hope that Farrar gets a leadership role at P-R? I might be showing some nationalism but he is in much better form than Maaskant and Van Summeren. Top 10 in G-W, Top 5 in Flanders and a win today.
not to show nationalism but what about millar
I like Millar as well. I wonder if his form will hold for P-R. One down side is that he has only been in the race once before |
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| ruben |
Posted on 09-04-2010 22:18
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GW and Scheldeprijs have nothing to do with cobbles.
And in the Tour of Flanders Farrar returned when the tempo completely dropped up front and could win the sprint for 5th place, which really doesn't say anything.
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 09-04-2010 22:19
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ABridgeTooFar wrote:
wackojackohighcliffe wrote:
ABridgeTooFar wrote:
Does anyone else hope that Farrar gets a leadership role at P-R? I might be showing some nationalism but he is in much better form than Maaskant and Van Summeren. Top 10 in G-W, Top 5 in Flanders and a win today.
not to show nationalism but what about millar
I like Millar as well. I wonder if his form will hold for P-R. One down side is that he has only been in the race once before
Actually, its Millar's Roubaix debut
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| ABridgeTooFar |
Posted on 09-04-2010 22:25
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SportingNonsense wrote:
ABridgeTooFar wrote:
wackojackohighcliffe wrote:
ABridgeTooFar wrote:
Does anyone else hope that Farrar gets a leadership role at P-R? I might be showing some nationalism but he is in much better form than Maaskant and Van Summeren. Top 10 in G-W, Top 5 in Flanders and a win today.
not to show nationalism but what about millar
I like Millar as well. I wonder if his form will hold for P-R. One down side is that he has only been in the race once before
Actually, its Millar's Roubaix debut
From CyclingNews.com (and we all know that they have never been wrong)
"First, though, is Paris Roubaix - only Millar's second start in the Queen of the Classics. A reconnaissance of the final 90km on Thursday left him "terrified," but he is looking forward to his first proper shot at the pave. "It scared the shit out of me," said Millar. "Arenberg blew me away, and there were times I thought: oh god, what have I signed up for?" |
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 09-04-2010 22:27
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ABridgeTooFar wrote:
SportingNonsense wrote:
ABridgeTooFar wrote:
wackojackohighcliffe wrote:
ABridgeTooFar wrote:
Does anyone else hope that Farrar gets a leadership role at P-R? I might be showing some nationalism but he is in much better form than Maaskant and Van Summeren. Top 10 in G-W, Top 5 in Flanders and a win today.
not to show nationalism but what about millar
I like Millar as well. I wonder if his form will hold for P-R. One down side is that he has only been in the race once before
Actually, its Millar's Roubaix debut
From CyclingNews.com (and we all know that they have never been wrong)
"First, though, is Paris Roubaix - only Millar's second start in the Queen of the Classics. A reconnaissance of the final 90km on Thursday left him "terrified," but he is looking forward to his first proper shot at the pave. "It scared the shit out of me," said Millar. "Arenberg blew me away, and there were times I thought: oh god, what have I signed up for?"
Here I'll sum it up.
Its CyclingNews
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| ABridgeTooFar |
Posted on 09-04-2010 22:30
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ruben wrote:
GW and Scheldeprijs have nothing to do with cobbles.
And in the Tour of Flanders Farrar returned when the tempo completely dropped up front and could win the sprint for 5th place, which really doesn't say anything.
It's not his fault that the tempo dropped. I don't think that he will win. Top 20 would be an amazing ride. I just would love to see him as leader based upon his form compared to his teammates. Don't count him out. He could surprise you. |
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 09-04-2010 22:32
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valverde321 wrote:
ABridgeTooFar wrote:
From CyclingNews.com (and we all know that they have never been wrong)
"First, though, is Paris Roubaix - only Millar's second start in the Queen of the Classics. A reconnaissance of the final 90km on Thursday left him "terrified," but he is looking forward to his first proper shot at the pave. "It scared the shit out of me," said Millar. "Arenberg blew me away, and there were times I thought: oh god, what have I signed up for?"
Here I'll sum it up.
Its CyclingNews
Absolutely.
Look, a cyclingnews article from a couple of weeks ago: https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/milla...is-roubaix
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| issoisso |
Posted on 09-04-2010 22:44
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I think both Farrar and Millar's true abilities lie in finishing in the bottom of the top 20.
IT'S ONLY A DAY AND A HALF AWAY!!! CAN YOU BELIEVE IT???
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| Deadpool |
Posted on 09-04-2010 22:46
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Just so you all know, I will not be on the site until late sunday evening.
I'm racing in the morning, and I'm going to wait to watch the race on tv to see what happens. |
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