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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 20-07-2013 08:47
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boogiemy wrote:
its sad that threads like this exist. Blame our idols not ours.
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| Matrix |
Posted on 20-07-2013 09:56
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If Froome is doping...he is a fool. He turned over all his data to a newspaper in France 1 or 2 days ago. Thus, they have any and everything needed to bury him. However, a doctor read the data and said his values are all the same, minus the 2 years he was ill. Which the data on his treatment was also included. Watch stage 18 or 19, Paul and Phil both mention it.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 20-07-2013 10:00
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Matrix wrote:
If Froome is doping...he is a fool. He turned over all his data to a newspaper in France 1 or 2 days ago. Thus, they have any and everything needed to bury him. However, a doctor read the data and said his values are all the same, minus the 2 years he was ill. Which the data on his treatment was also included. Watch stage 18 or 19, Paul and Phil both mention it.
All of that is 100% false.
I'm not blaming you, you were misled. Here's the thing: Never believe anything Liggett and Sherwen say. They're not only incompetent, they are heavily biased toward their favorite riders.
In reality, Froome turned over only power reading data, and only from September 2011 onwards. In other words, only from after his miraculous transformation. No blood values, no previous data, nothing.
The expert, Fred Grappe, only said that 'well, Froome's performance has been consistent in the last 2 years', which is a nice way of saying 'there's absolutely nothing I can conclude when you only give me very specific data'
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| samdiatmh |
Posted on 20-07-2013 11:01
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issoisso wrote:
I'm not blaming you, you were misled. Here's the thing: Never believe anything Liggett and Sherwen say. They're not only incompetent, they are heavily biased toward their favorite riders.'
to support that:
"Andy Schleck is a great descender" - said during the TT and on the descent of the Col De Sarenne
"He's clearly got ankle problems" - said while Rolland was rubbing his calf (about half way down mind) to relieve himself of cramp
i just..... 
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| cilldroichid |
Posted on 20-07-2013 11:15
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issoisso wrote:
I'm not blaming you, you were misled. Here's the thing: Never believe anything Liggett and Sherwen say. They're not only incompetent, they are heavily biased toward their favorite riders.
In fairness British European were at it as well, with Sean Kelly agreeing, 'sigh'. I like Sean Kelly, he seems to know what he talking about, but he completely ignores the doping issue, then again i suppose that is to be expected. |
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Posted on 20-07-2013 13:04
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cilldroichid wrote:
issoisso wrote:
I'm not blaming you, you were misled. Here's the thing: Never believe anything Liggett and Sherwen say. They're not only incompetent, they are heavily biased toward their favorite riders.
In fairness British European were at it as well, with Sean Kelly agreeing, 'sigh'. I like Sean Kelly, he seems to know what he talking about, but he completely ignores the doping issue, then again i suppose that is to be expected.
Yeah he kind of has a personal stake in that 
The reason why they can't talk about the doping is because British libel laws are awful - if they stated that they thought Sky were doping then they could be sued.
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| lagetcher |
Posted on 20-07-2013 14:47
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Aquarius wrote:
lagetcher wrote:
Aquarius, purely out of interest, how high is Peraud's VO2 max?
It variates a bit during the season, just like his weight (VO2 is weight-dependant).
His usual values fluctuate between 78 and 81 mlO2/min/kg.
I see, thanks. |
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| Elton |
Posted on 20-07-2013 16:20
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Anyone suspicious of Quintanas performances? |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 20-07-2013 16:24
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Elton wrote:
Anyone suspicious of Quintanas performances?
A lot of people, but no accusations unless there's evidence. Which there is none so far.
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| alex valceanu |
Posted on 20-07-2013 16:27
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Still I think Quintana is a doper !
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| Jacdk |
Posted on 20-07-2013 16:28
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Elton wrote:
Anyone suspicious of Quintanas performances?
A bit but so far he is only good on the ultimativ climb, he is not great on flat or TT so its nothing that cant be explained.
Quintana just have to stay away from Sky and hopefully he will be picked up by another team than Moviestar since Valverde still has to be the top boss. |
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| Mwuhi |
Posted on 20-07-2013 16:28
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So we can close this topic? As there's no evidence.
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 20-07-2013 16:33
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Mwuhi wrote:
So we can close this topic? As there's no evidence.
Finally
Depends on what you see as evidence |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 20-07-2013 16:41
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issoisso wrote:
Elton wrote:
Anyone suspicious of Quintanas performances?
A lot of people, but no accusations unless there's evidence. Which there is none so far.
I see 1) Riding for Movistar as circumstantial evidence 2) Disappearing from the bio-passport and UCI controllers radar while training for 2 months or so in altitude in Columbia as very convenient |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 20-07-2013 16:45
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Team is not evidence. See Xavi Tondò
Otherwise there could only be a few clean cyclists in the world at any time, since teams can't have 550 riders
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 20-07-2013 17:06
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I think Quintana is not really suspicious. Clearly a climbing specialist. Guy like that should outclimb overall specialists any day. |
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| lagetcher |
Posted on 20-07-2013 17:11
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I take some heart that Quintana came through Saldarriaga's system at Colombia es Pasión (or 4-72 as it is now) which had its own bio-passport and was as such committed to combatting the doping culture in Colombia.
That's not to say he's clean. But as much as his performances are extraordinarily good, at least he's shown exceptional talent from a young age, unlike the rider 5 minutes in front of him on GC. |
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| Wilier |
Posted on 20-07-2013 18:00
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It would become suspicous if Quintana started beating TT-specialists on flat TT's. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 21-07-2013 09:42
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Somebody unearthed this fantastic quote by Brailsford about hanging on to team cars:
If you’re a cheat, you're a cheat, you're not half a cheat. You wouldn't say, 'I'll cheat here but I'm not going to cheat over there; I'll cheat on a Monday but not on a Tuesday.
If I'm a liar and a cheat and if my ethics and morals are all about cheating, if that's what we're doing here, lying to the world and cheating, then surely I'll be doing it in other places in my life. Not just parts.
So, about that illegal feed and how it was totally Porte that took it, not Froome...
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 21-07-2013 11:45
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Double standards |
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