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| boogiemy |
Posted on 20-07-2013 01:01
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its sad that threads like this exist. Blame our idols not ours. |
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| samdiatmh |
Posted on 20-07-2013 05:20
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issoisso wrote:
Over the years of seeing the exact same behaviors from the unrepentant dopers over and over you learn that if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck. Eventually you can see who's clean, they're out there, they're winning big races.
And they're not Sky.
Then according to you, who is 'clean' and what big races have they won
Other than Dan Martin (yeah, i believe Vaughters) and LBL / Volta a Catalunya then there's not too many more (from this year) |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 20-07-2013 08:44
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boogiemy wrote:
its sad that threads like this exist. Blame our idols not ours.
I'm afraid I don't have any idol to burn.
*re-read*
Idol -> religion -> blaming those who don't believe. I can't argue...
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 20-07-2013 08:46
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lagetcher wrote:
Aquarius, purely out of interest, how high is Peraud's VO2 max?
It variates a bit during the season, just like his weight (VO2 is weight-dependant).
His usual values fluctuate between 78 and 81 mlO2/min/kg. |
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 20-07-2013 08:47
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boogiemy wrote:
its sad that threads like this exist. Blame our idols not ours.
huh? |
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| Matrix |
Posted on 20-07-2013 09:56
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If Froome is doping...he is a fool. He turned over all his data to a newspaper in France 1 or 2 days ago. Thus, they have any and everything needed to bury him. However, a doctor read the data and said his values are all the same, minus the 2 years he was ill. Which the data on his treatment was also included. Watch stage 18 or 19, Paul and Phil both mention it.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 20-07-2013 10:00
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Matrix wrote:
If Froome is doping...he is a fool. He turned over all his data to a newspaper in France 1 or 2 days ago. Thus, they have any and everything needed to bury him. However, a doctor read the data and said his values are all the same, minus the 2 years he was ill. Which the data on his treatment was also included. Watch stage 18 or 19, Paul and Phil both mention it.
All of that is 100% false.
I'm not blaming you, you were misled. Here's the thing: Never believe anything Liggett and Sherwen say. They're not only incompetent, they are heavily biased toward their favorite riders.
In reality, Froome turned over only power reading data, and only from September 2011 onwards. In other words, only from after his miraculous transformation. No blood values, no previous data, nothing.
The expert, Fred Grappe, only said that 'well, Froome's performance has been consistent in the last 2 years', which is a nice way of saying 'there's absolutely nothing I can conclude when you only give me very specific data'
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| samdiatmh |
Posted on 20-07-2013 11:01
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issoisso wrote:
I'm not blaming you, you were misled. Here's the thing: Never believe anything Liggett and Sherwen say. They're not only incompetent, they are heavily biased toward their favorite riders.'
to support that:
"Andy Schleck is a great descender" - said during the TT and on the descent of the Col De Sarenne
"He's clearly got ankle problems" - said while Rolland was rubbing his calf (about half way down mind) to relieve himself of cramp
i just..... 
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| cilldroichid |
Posted on 20-07-2013 11:15
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issoisso wrote:
I'm not blaming you, you were misled. Here's the thing: Never believe anything Liggett and Sherwen say. They're not only incompetent, they are heavily biased toward their favorite riders.
In fairness British European were at it as well, with Sean Kelly agreeing, 'sigh'. I like Sean Kelly, he seems to know what he talking about, but he completely ignores the doping issue, then again i suppose that is to be expected. |
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| CountArach |
Posted on 20-07-2013 13:04
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cilldroichid wrote:
issoisso wrote:
I'm not blaming you, you were misled. Here's the thing: Never believe anything Liggett and Sherwen say. They're not only incompetent, they are heavily biased toward their favorite riders.
In fairness British European were at it as well, with Sean Kelly agreeing, 'sigh'. I like Sean Kelly, he seems to know what he talking about, but he completely ignores the doping issue, then again i suppose that is to be expected.
Yeah he kind of has a personal stake in that 
The reason why they can't talk about the doping is because British libel laws are awful - if they stated that they thought Sky were doping then they could be sued.
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| lagetcher |
Posted on 20-07-2013 14:47
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Aquarius wrote:
lagetcher wrote:
Aquarius, purely out of interest, how high is Peraud's VO2 max?
It variates a bit during the season, just like his weight (VO2 is weight-dependant).
His usual values fluctuate between 78 and 81 mlO2/min/kg.
I see, thanks. |
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| Elton |
Posted on 20-07-2013 16:20
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Anyone suspicious of Quintanas performances? |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 20-07-2013 16:24
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Elton wrote:
Anyone suspicious of Quintanas performances?
A lot of people, but no accusations unless there's evidence. Which there is none so far.
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| alex valceanu |
Posted on 20-07-2013 16:27
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Still I think Quintana is a doper !
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| Jacdk |
Posted on 20-07-2013 16:28
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Elton wrote:
Anyone suspicious of Quintanas performances?
A bit but so far he is only good on the ultimativ climb, he is not great on flat or TT so its nothing that cant be explained.
Quintana just have to stay away from Sky and hopefully he will be picked up by another team than Moviestar since Valverde still has to be the top boss. |
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| Mwuhi |
Posted on 20-07-2013 16:28
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So we can close this topic? As there's no evidence.
Finally
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| Spilak23 |
Posted on 20-07-2013 16:33
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Mwuhi wrote:
So we can close this topic? As there's no evidence.
Finally
Depends on what you see as evidence |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 20-07-2013 16:41
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issoisso wrote:
Elton wrote:
Anyone suspicious of Quintanas performances?
A lot of people, but no accusations unless there's evidence. Which there is none so far.
I see 1) Riding for Movistar as circumstantial evidence 2) Disappearing from the bio-passport and UCI controllers radar while training for 2 months or so in altitude in Columbia as very convenient |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 20-07-2013 16:45
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Team is not evidence. See Xavi Tondò
Otherwise there could only be a few clean cyclists in the world at any time, since teams can't have 550 riders
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 20-07-2013 17:06
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I think Quintana is not really suspicious. Clearly a climbing specialist. Guy like that should outclimb overall specialists any day. |
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