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| stuartmcstuart |
Posted on 02-06-2008 17:36
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issoisso wrote:
stuartmcstuart wrote:
I'm glad Brown's days seem numbered - he is a dangerous (and second-rate) sprinter. Rabo could do much better.
they do. they've got the best sprinter in the world 
but I agree, they could do with a less temperamental, more talented guy, with the bonus of being less of a jackass.
Wanna bet Brown's replaced after this year?
Its just lucky for Rabo that Freire doesn't really need a leadout train. You need guys working for you to be totally dedicated, and lets face it, Brown isn't.
He'll be out at the end of the year for sure, unless something changes in both Browns personality and performances.  |
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 02-06-2008 17:40
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They have new track sprinter in the squad after Peking..Bos |
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| KurtinSC |
Posted on 02-06-2008 21:19
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I wonder if the TDF will be like this year's Giro in terms of lack of agressive attacks and breakaways winning more stages.
The Ardennes races were similar... very few attacks.
I think we may be seeing what "low-doped" cycling is like after 20 years of doped up racing. It may be more boring.
If that's the case... would we as fans prefer doped cyclists... if it made the final product better? |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 02-06-2008 21:23
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KurtinSC wrote:
I wonder if the TDF will be like this year's Giro in terms of lack of agressive attacks and breakaways winning more stages.
The Ardennes races were similar... very few attacks.
I think we may be seeing what "low-doped" cycling is like after 20 years of doped up racing. It may be more boring.
If that's the case... would we as fans prefer doped cyclists... if it made the final product better?
in the first two weeks of the 2001 tour everyone was pretty much 100% clean. we saw the most exciting two weeks of a tour since I can remember.
don't worry, It'll be fine
especially with the tour route and lack of time bonuses making for an insanely nervous first week.
we're in for a treat. expect the jersey to change shoulders every day for the first few days |
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| diouf |
Posted on 02-06-2008 21:31
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KurtinSC wrote:
I wonder if the TDF will be like this year's Giro in terms of lack of agressive attacks and breakaways winning more stages.
The Ardennes races were similar... very few attacks.
I think we may be seeing what "low-doped" cycling is like after 20 years of doped up racing. It may be more boring.
If that's the case... would we as fans prefer doped cyclists... if it made the final product better?
Well. It shouldn't matter that much if everybody is doped or everybody isn't. It's how attackious the riders are.
And don't worry, it's not a low-doped cycling yet. |
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| KurtinSC |
Posted on 02-06-2008 21:40
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diouf wrote:
KurtinSC wrote:
I wonder if the TDF will be like this year's Giro in terms of lack of agressive attacks and breakaways winning more stages.
The Ardennes races were similar... very few attacks.
I think we may be seeing what "low-doped" cycling is like after 20 years of doped up racing. It may be more boring.
If that's the case... would we as fans prefer doped cyclists... if it made the final product better?
Well. It shouldn't matter that much if everybody is doped or everybody isn't. It's how attackious the riders are.
And don't worry, it's not a low-doped cycling yet.
Well, many were claiming during the Ardennes races that the lack of multiple attacks (attack... see who sticks... then attack again) was due to lack of doping. They couldn't recuperate enough on a tough climb to launch a second attack, or attack themselves after countering an attack.
It's not a matter of competitiveness... of course the competitiveness should be the same if everyone dopes or everyone is clean. It's a matter of the AGRESSIVENESS at the end of a tough stage. If everyone is struggling to recuperate... there won't be many attacks.
And the Ardennes classics and the Giro both kind of followed that pattern (except for possible Sella, who most here think is doping).
Yeah, the races will be close... but they won't be extremely interestings... you'll see one or two attacks at the end of a stage... and that's it.
I don't think Contador attacked once this Giro... and he won. Is that going to be the norm now... the rider who is less agressive is more likely to win the race?
Is that a good thing? |
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 02-06-2008 23:12
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yes probably style has changed...years back rider should atack 4-6 times to drop a rival.
In future we see fast speed..climbing style..just guy in front and who can follow.
No more Amrstrong 5km. tic-tac shows. |
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 02-06-2008 23:12
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yes probably style has changed...years back rider should atack 4-6 times to drop a rival.
In future we see fast speed..climbing style..just guy in front and who can follow.
No more Amrstrong 5km. tic-tac shows. |
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| jacknic |
Posted on 02-06-2008 23:30
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I do recall Miguel Indurain being a rather passive five time winner of the Tour. He reacted when Chiapucci, Romminger or other of his rivals attacked. Other wise he just stayed alive in the mountains and chrushed everyone in the time trials. Not the most exciting period of the Tour...
Edit: Yes I am implying that Indurain was doped up.
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| YtimK |
Posted on 03-06-2008 07:30
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well Contador came from holidays.. if he was in shape he would have destroyed all of them in the mountains I think. Ok except Sella  |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 03-06-2008 08:01
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jacknic wrote:
I do recall Miguel Indurain being a rather passive five time winner of the Tour. He reacted when Chiapucci, Romminger or other of his rivals attacked. Other wise he just stayed alive in the mountains and chrushed everyone in the time trials. Not the most exciting period of the Tour...
Same with Anquetil and, up to a point, Hinault. boring, really
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Edit: Yes I am implying that Indurain was doped up.
yeah, everybody was, back then |
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| Smitho |
Posted on 03-06-2008 09:48
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You were on about who could replace greame brown i think it might be steegmans he was good in paris nice and will want to prove that he is a top class sprinter so will move teams at he end of the year this will be interesting if it happens or even ciolek because cavendish is going to be the main sprinter for high road for the next 10 years at least  SUPER CAV!!! |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 03-06-2008 10:36
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KurtinSC wrote:
diouf wrote:
KurtinSC wrote:
I wonder if the TDF will be like this year's Giro in terms of lack of agressive attacks and breakaways winning more stages.
The Ardennes races were similar... very few attacks.
I think we may be seeing what "low-doped" cycling is like after 20 years of doped up racing. It may be more boring.
If that's the case... would we as fans prefer doped cyclists... if it made the final product better?
Well. It shouldn't matter that much if everybody is doped or everybody isn't. It's how attackious the riders are.
And don't worry, it's not a low-doped cycling yet.
Well, many were claiming during the Ardennes races that the lack of multiple attacks (attack... see who sticks... then attack again) was due to lack of doping. They couldn't recuperate enough on a tough climb to launch a second attack, or attack themselves after countering an attack.
It's not a matter of competitiveness... of course the competitiveness should be the same if everyone dopes or everyone is clean. It's a matter of the AGRESSIVENESS at the end of a tough stage. If everyone is struggling to recuperate... there won't be many attacks.
And the Ardennes classics and the Giro both kind of followed that pattern (except for possible Sella, who most here think is doping).
Yeah, the races will be close... but they won't be extremely interestings... you'll see one or two attacks at the end of a stage... and that's it.
I don't think Contador attacked once this Giro... and he won. Is that going to be the norm now... the rider who is less agressive is more likely to win the race?
Is that a good thing? Ever seen or taken part in amateur races ? There's very little doping there, though there are failures, aggressive attacks, etc. It's not a matter of pure strength, it's a matter of relative strength between riders, and of mentality.
If they'd all be doped up, what would happen ? Either it's ridden way faster and they're wasted when they come to the last climb, and they can't really ride differently.
Either they're pretty clean, they ride a little more slowly (but you can't notice any difference on tv), and they're wasted at the same point of the race.
Thing is that if not all riders were doped in the years you take as reference (2000 to 2006 for example), the non-doped ones would get dropped earlier and you'd see less contenders in the finale, because the use or non-use of dope increases the difference of strengths between riders.
Really, the more dope more attacks more fun argument is wrong and crap. |
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