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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 29-05-2010 17:35
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ruben wrote:
So 100 riders in this Giro, including almost all the top 10, bar Porte, Kiserlovski and Arroyo, made a mistake?
Funny.
They did make a mistake, yes. |
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| doddy13 |
Posted on 29-05-2010 17:37
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CrueTrue wrote:
ruben wrote:
So 100 riders in this Giro, including almost all the top 10, bar Porte, Kiserlovski and Arroyo, made a mistake?
Funny.
They did make a mistake, yes.
This exactly.
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| Roman |
Posted on 29-05-2010 17:38
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doddy13 wrote:
CrueTrue wrote:
ruben wrote:
So 100 riders in this Giro, including almost all the top 10, bar Porte, Kiserlovski and Arroyo, made a mistake?
Funny.
They did make a mistake, yes.
This exactly.
Yep, exactly.
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| SportingNonsense |
Posted on 29-05-2010 17:40
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ruben wrote:
So 100 riders in this Giro, including almost all the top 10, bar Porte, Kiserlovski and Arroyo, made a mistake?
Funny.
Youre saying that at least 100 riders in the Giro were going for GC, or specifically wanted to win that stage?
Of all riders, Mollemma is the one who turned out to have made the biggest mistake. He doesnt get the white jersey because of it.
Liquigas didnt make a mistake. Basso wins the Giro regardless, and Kiserlovski could be set for a Top 10 GC placing - and would also have taken the Young Riders jersey has Porte not done so well (and at the time, there was no guarantee that Porte would do aswell as he has done)
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| lup_andrei |
Posted on 29-05-2010 17:50
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Glad to see Cadel trying something today, I've thought he will be almost dead after yesterday's stage. He ends the tour with 1 stage victory (montalcino), 3 runner-up spots (zoncolan, kronplatz and today) and the red jersey with one more stage to go. But still, disappointing, for me at least. Happy for aussies Porte, Lloyd who finally conquered there jerseys today, as Cadel did with the red one. Tomorrow I expect Brad to take the stage and Cadel another 2nd place 
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| ruben |
Posted on 29-05-2010 18:30
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SportingNonsense wrote:
ruben wrote:
So 100 riders in this Giro, including almost all the top 10, bar Porte, Kiserlovski and Arroyo, made a mistake?
Funny.
Youre saying that at least 100 riders in the Giro were going for GC, or specifically wanted to win that stage?
Of all riders, Mollemma is the one who turned out to have made the biggest mistake. He doesnt get the white jersey because of it.
Liquigas didnt make a mistake. Basso wins the Giro regardless, and Kiserlovski could be set for a Top 10 GC placing - and would also have taken the Young Riders jersey has Porte not done so well (and at the time, there was no guarantee that Porte would do aswell as he has done) Kiserlovski was also in that break
But really, is it so hard to admit Mollema was a better climber than Porte in this Giro?
Edited by ruben on 29-05-2010 18:31
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| Rinhoth |
Posted on 29-05-2010 18:33
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yah, he was in the break, so he got a top ten, therefore it was an advantage for liquigas that the break went in.
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| marble |
Posted on 29-05-2010 18:36
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Liquigas was riding hard to not let the gap be too big. In the end Liquigas would probably have had a 1-2 in the GC instead of 1st, 3rd and 9th place. They could also have been saving alot of energy instead of attacking 50km from the finish line to earn as much time as possible on Arroyo on every stage.
I think a 2nd place overall instead of 3rd for Nibali would be better than a 9th place and 2nd in the young rider classification for Kiserlovski. |
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| Roman |
Posted on 29-05-2010 18:46
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ruben wrote:
But really, is it so hard to admit Mollema was a better climber than Porte in this Giro? Mollema maybe was better climber than Porte but Grand Tours aren't only about climbing. If you take off the break, Porte and Mollema have both practically same overall time. So I think Mollema wasn't better in this Giro without break too. 
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| ruben |
Posted on 29-05-2010 18:56
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Noi Roman, not maybe.
He was DEFINATELY, the better climber. Porte lost time on Mollema in 4 of the 7 mountain stages. He won time on 1, Kronplatz (which was on Mollema's worst day after illness). So it's very very clear who the better climber is |
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| ruben |
Posted on 29-05-2010 18:56
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Roman wrote:
ruben wrote:
But really, is it so hard to admit Mollema was a better climber than Porte in this Giro? Mollema maybe was better climber than Porte but Grand Tours aren't only about climbing. If you take off the break, Porte and Mollema have both practically same overall time. So I think Mollema wasn't better in this Giro without break too.
The difference is 11'40
The break was 12'30 ahead.
Also, Porte won 3 minutes in Holland because of the falls
So that's 15'30 Porte won in non-mountain stages.
11'40 - 15'30 =?
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| Bosskardo |
Posted on 29-05-2010 19:17
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ruben wrote:
Do the math
Math: Mollema had shitty luck and bad judgements, boo hoo, thats life
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 29-05-2010 19:34
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ruben wrote:
SportingNonsense wrote:
ruben wrote:
So 100 riders in this Giro, including almost all the top 10, bar Porte, Kiserlovski and Arroyo, made a mistake?
Funny.
Youre saying that at least 100 riders in the Giro were going for GC, or specifically wanted to win that stage?
Of all riders, Mollemma is the one who turned out to have made the biggest mistake. He doesnt get the white jersey because of it.
Liquigas didnt make a mistake. Basso wins the Giro regardless, and Kiserlovski could be set for a Top 10 GC placing - and would also have taken the Young Riders jersey has Porte not done so well (and at the time, there was no guarantee that Porte would do aswell as he has done) Kiserlovski was also in that break
But really, is it so hard to admit Mollema was a better climber than Porte in this Giro?
I don't know about everyone else, but I don't think that it's been contested that Mollema has been a better climber than Porte. |
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| BouBBox |
Posted on 29-05-2010 19:43
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Being the strongest isn't allways enough in GTs, race science is also very important.
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| ruben |
Posted on 29-05-2010 19:44
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I still think Porte is a one-day fly concerning GT's.
He'll be more of a time trial specialist in the future.
He reminds me of McGee who also got a great Giro placing once.
Edited by ruben on 29-05-2010 19:45
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| Roman |
Posted on 29-05-2010 19:45
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Ok, Ruben, Mollema was better climber, I agree with you. But I say that mountains aren't everything in GTs. In overall Porte was waaaay better than Mollema. Mollema had maybe some bad luck but definetly some bad judgements which costed him a place in top 10. It's the fact, for you bad fact, but it's reality.
Anyway for example, tomorrow will be there time trial, the race against the truth, so we'll see if Mollema or Porte is better "complete" rider. 
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| Roman |
Posted on 29-05-2010 19:51
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ruben wrote:
I still think Porte is a one-day fly concerning GT's.
He'll be more of a time trial specialist in the future.
He reminds me of McGee who also got a great Giro placing once.
So why Mollema should be better rider in GTs than Porte in future? Mollema gained only 4 mins to Porte, which really isn't that much. Only future will say that. But yes this your thinking is one of the possibilities, which maybe more likely should happen.
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| doddy13 |
Posted on 29-05-2010 19:51
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Roman wrote:
Ok, Ruben, Mollema was better climber, I agree with you. But I say that mountains aren't everything in GTs. In overall Porte was waaaay better than Mollema. Mollema had maybe some bad luck but definetly some bad judgements which costed him a place in top 10. It's the fact, for you bad fact, but it's reality.
Anyway for example, tomorrow will be there time trial, the race against the truth, so we'll see if Mollema or Porte is better "complete" rider.
Reminds me of something Graham Jones on the tour series said last night
"A climber has to do the flat stages, and a sprinter has to do the mountains, thats Bike racing."
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| issoisso |
Posted on 29-05-2010 19:53
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Mollema and Porte were both very good.
But all things considered, Kiserlovski seems amazingly promising.
EDIT: By the way, I'll be amazed if Wiggford doesn't win tomorrow.
Edited by issoisso on 29-05-2010 19:58
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| Gustavovskiy |
Posted on 29-05-2010 20:36
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I agree with ruben, I don't think Porte is as promising (GT-wise) as Mollema or Kiserlovski. This is the first time he's ever shown anything, at lest in the mountains. Anyway I think he was the most surprising rider of those 3.
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