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| KurtinSC |
Posted on 04-06-2008 13:26
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By the way, I've noticed a lot of people commenting in stories about unrealistic results. I'd like to point out that for a top team, wins are expected.
For example... I have 36 stage or race wins this season.
Team High Road in real life (just a bit behind where I am now) has the following wins:
Edvald Boassen Hagen - 2
Mark Cavendish - 7
Gerald Ciolek - 2
Bernhardt Eisel - 2
Andre Greipel - 7
Adam Hansen - 1
Greg Henderson - 2
George Hincapie - 1
Kim Kirchen - 3
Tony Martin - 1
Marco Pinotti - 1
Kanstantsin Siutsou - 2
That's 31 wins. I have 36 and I'm slightly ahead calendar wise. Teams like High Road, Astans, CSC, Caisse and the like are supposed to win a lot of races. |
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Posted on 04-06-2008 14:25
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You are a sprinters team and you are dominating the sprints and the like, i dont have aproblem with it. This is much more realistic than getting promoted first season out with a rubbish continental side.
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Posted on 04-06-2008 15:07
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Criterium du Dauphine Libre - Stage 6
Kirchen is tabbed as the top favorite for this stage. The last hill is going to be the key to who wins.
Hincapie went in the break today, and ended up taking back the mountain jersey. After a series of attacks, a large group ended up ahead of the pelaton, including all the top riders. They stayed together all the way up to the finish.
High Road worked real hard to ensure Kirchen was near the front when the sprint began. And he was able to pull away in the sprint, taking the stage victory. Ulissi, Boassen Hagen and Pinotti were also in the 12 man lead group.
Kloden and Evans finished in the group as well, so Kirchen didn't gain much ground. The win did give Kirchen the points jersey.
Stage:
1 Kim Kirchen Team High Road 5h02'37
2 Sandy Casar Française des Jeux s.t.
3 John Gadret AG2R - La Mondiale s.t.
4 Diego Ulissi Team High Road s.t.
5 Cadel Evans Silence - Lotto s.t.
6 Ryder Hesjedal Slipstream - Chipotle powered by H3O s.t.
7 Edvald Boasson Hagen Team High Road s.t.
8 Christophe Moreau Agritubel s.t.
9 Markus Fothen Gerolsteiner s.t.
10 Luis León Sánchez Caisse d'Epargne s.t.
11 Andreas Klöden Team Astana s.t.
12 Marco Pinotti Team High Road s.t.
GC:
1 Cadel Evans Silence - Lotto 20h06'38
2 Andreas Klöden Team Astana + 34
3 Diego Ulissi Team High Road + 4'20
4 Kim Kirchen Team High Road + 6'03
5 Christophe Moreau Agritubel + 8'10
6 Markus Fothen Gerolsteiner + 8'11
7 Mikel Astarloza Euskaltel - Euskadi + 8'40
8 Marco Pinotti Team High Road + 8'42
9 Ryder Hesjedal Slipstream - Chipotle powered by H3O + 8'45
10 Sandy Casar Française des Jeux + 8'57
Points:
1 Kim Kirchen Team High Road 67
2 Andreas Klöden Team Astana 64
3 Edvald Boasson Hagen Team High Road 62
4 Cadel Evans Silence - Lotto 56
5 Diego Ulissi Team High Road 46
Mountains:
1 George Hincapie Team High Road 45
2 Cadel Evans Silence - Lotto 45
3 Andreas Klöden Team Astana 41
4 Kim Kirchen Team High Road 40
5 Diego Ulissi Team High Road 27
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Posted on 04-06-2008 15:27
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Tour de Suisse - Stage 1
This event, like the Dauphine Libre, will have many who will be competing in the Tour de France racing. A lot of them will be in pretty solid form as well, so it should be a competitive race. Michael Rogers will be our lead, in what will be his last real race of the year, aside form possibly the world championships. Cavendish, Ciolek and Lovkvist will be preparing for the Tour.
The Team:
Leader: Michael Rogers
Free/Lieutenant: Thomas Lovkvist
Sprinters: Mark Cavendish, Gerald Ciolek
Teammates: Adam Hansen, Craig Lewis, Fabio Duarte, John Devine
Unlike many races which ease you into the tough stages, the Tour de Suisse this year is just throwing everyone in with a tough little hilly stage right off the bat. While not a mountain climb, the two hills on each circuit are pretty steep and will weed out the pure sprinters.
At the top of the second to last climb, Pereiro and Kreuziger had attacked and were able to get a gap. The chase group was swallowed by the pelaton on the downhill.
On the last ascent, Leipheimer attacked and was almost able to make contact...
But he couldn't quite get there and was lost in the space between the pelaton and leaders. Pereiro won the sprint with Kreuziger and took a solid lead in the race.
Rogers attacked from the pelaton on the downhill leading up to the finish, and was just able to catch up to Leipheimer as Levi crossed the line. The two gained a key 24 seconds on the rest of the pelaton.
Stage Results:
1 Óscar Pereiro Caisse d'Epargne 4h37'00
2 Roman Kreuziger Liquigas s.t.
3 Levi Leipheimer Team Astana + 1'29
4 Michael Rogers Team High Road s.t.
5 Hubert Schwab Quick·Step + 1'53
6 Alberto Contador Team Astana s.t.
7 Andy Schleck Team CSC s.t.
8 Alejandro Valverde Caisse d'Epargne s.t.
9 Johann Tschopp Bouygues Télécom s.t.
10 Pavel Brutt Tinkoff Credit Systems s.t.
11 José Iván Gutiérrez Caisse d'Epargne s.t.
12 Bauke Mollema Rabobank s.t.
13 Vladimir Karpets Caisse d'Epargne s.t.
14 Giampaolo Cheula Barloworld s.t.
15 Sergei Klimov Tinkoff Credit Systems s.t.
16 Danilo Di Luca LPR Brakes s.t.
17 John-Lee Augustyn Barloworld s.t.
18 Joaquim RodrÃguez Caisse d'Epargne s.t.
19 Andrea Tonti Quick·Step s.t.
20 Francesco Bellotti Barloworld s.t.
21 Manuel Beltrán Liquigas s.t.
22 Denis Menchov Rabobank s.t.
23 Bradley McGee Team CSC s.t.
24 Giovanni Visconti Quick·Step s.t.
25 Vladimir Efimkin AG2R - La Mondiale s.t.
26 Iker Camaño Saunier Duval - Scott s.t.
27 Carlos Barredo Quick·Step s.t.
28 Volodymyr Gustov Team CSC s.t.
29 Luca Mazzanti Tinkoff Credit Systems s.t.
30 Sylvester Szmyd Lampre s.t.
31 Steve Zampieri Cofidis, Le Crédit par Téléphone s.t.
32 Stijn Devolder Quick·Step s.t.
33 Laurent Beuret NGC Medical - OTC Industria Porte s.t.
34 Stef Clement Bouygues Télécom s.t.
35 Thomas Lövkvist Team High Road s.t.
36 Paolo Tiralongo Lampre s.t.
37 Carlos Sastre Team CSC s.t.
38 John Devine Team High Road s.t.
39 Patxi Vila Lampre s.t.
40 David Moncoutié Cofidis, Le Crédit par Téléphone s.t.
41 Dioni Galparsoro Euskaltel - Euskadi s.t.
42 Fabio Duarte Team High Road s.t.
43 Yuri Trofimov Bouygues Télécom s.t.
44 Jure Golcer LPR Brakes s.t.
45 Massimiliano Maisto NGC Medical - OTC Industria Porte s.t.
46 Paolo Savoldelli LPR Brakes s.t.
47 Rubén Lobato Saunier Duval - Scott s.t.
48 Beñat Intxausti Saunier Duval - Scott s.t.
49 Tadej Valjavec AG2R - La Mondiale s.t.
50 Matteo Bono Lampre s.t.
51 Evgeni Petrov Tinkoff Credit Systems s.t.
52 Félix Cárdenas Barloworld s.t.
53 Egoi MartÃnez Euskaltel - Euskadi s.t.
54 David Loosli Lampre s.t.
55 Hubert Dupont AG2R - La Mondiale s.t.
56 Bingen Fernández Cofidis, Le Crédit par Téléphone s.t.
57 Oliver Zaugg Gerolsteiner s.t.
58 Sylvain Calzati AG2R - La Mondiale s.t.
59 Antxon Luengo Euskaltel - Euskadi s.t.
60 Silvère Ackermann NGC Medical - OTC Industria Porte s.t.
Mountains:
1 Sergio Ghisalberti Team Milram 32
2 Josep Jufré Saunier Duval - Scott 16
3 Alexander Efimkin Quick·Step 16
4 Óscar Pereiro Caisse d'Epargne 10
5 Roman Kreuziger Liquigas 10
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Posted on 04-06-2008 15:46
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mb2612 wrote:
You are a sprinters team and you are dominating the sprints and the like, i dont have aproblem with it. This is much more realistic than getting promoted first season out with a rubbish continental side.
Agreed....HighRoad has a good balance of riders making it possible for fantastic results, <sarcasm starts here>I love the stories that have a team of 12 riders winning every race, and taking every jersey they are in <sarcasm ends here>You have been able to complete this on HARD with only a few minor changes to the squad, and as far as I know, no changes to the stats except through experience and training...Great Job!!!
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Posted on 04-06-2008 16:17
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You really know where to put the attacks.
Just continue this story, it is great, I am looking forward to Le Tour" |
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Posted on 05-06-2008 12:37
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Criterium du Dauphine Libre - Stage 7
Into the mountains again. We're shooting to hold on to 3rd and 4th at this point... the top 2 seem out of reach.
George Hincapie went on the break again and picked up a ton of mountain points. He's opened up a 50 point lead in the classification.
Kloden and Evans made their attack and Ulissi and Kirchen tried to follow.
But the two were still too strong. The High Road riders were in the chase group with several other riders.
Evans took Kloden on the line in a tight finish. His lead is still just 38 seconds though.
Kirchen ended up leading the chase across two minutes back, closely followed by Ulissi.
Results:
1 Cadel Evans Silence - Lotto 5h52'29
2 Andreas Klöden Team Astana s.t.
3 Kim Kirchen Team High Road + 2'01
4 Diego Ulissi Team High Road s.t.
5 Mauricio Soler Barloworld s.t.
6 John Gadret AG2R - La Mondiale s.t.
7 Simon Spilak Lampre s.t.
8 Christophe Moreau Agritubel s.t.
9 Pierrick Fédrigo Bouygues Télécom + 3'04
10 Mikel Astarloza Euskaltel - Euskadi s.t.
GC:
1 Cadel Evans Silence - Lotto 25h58'57
2 Andreas Klöden Team Astana + 38
3 Diego Ulissi Team High Road + 6'31
4 Kim Kirchen Team High Road + 8'10
5 Christophe Moreau Agritubel + 10'21
6 Markus Fothen Gerolsteiner + 11'25
7 Mikel Astarloza Euskaltel - Euskadi + 11'54
8 Sandy Casar Française des Jeux + 12'11
9 Ryder Hesjedal Slipstream - Chipotle powered by H3O + 12'51
10 Simon Spilak Lampre + 12'56
Points:
1 Andreas Klöden Team Astana 84
2 Kim Kirchen Team High Road 83
3 Cadel Evans Silence - Lotto 81
4 Edvald Boasson Hagen Team High Road 62
5 Diego Ulissi Team High Road 59
Mountains:
1 George Hincapie Team High Road 154
2 Juanjo Cobo Saunier Duval - Scott 105
3 Cadel Evans Silence - Lotto 75
4 John Gadret AG2R - La Mondiale 75
5 Christophe Moreau Agritubel 72
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Posted on 05-06-2008 12:51
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Criterium du Dauphine Libre - Stage 8
This final stage suits Kirchen very well, and he's the prohibitive stage favorite. Hopefully we can get third and 4th with Ulissi and Kirchen after the day is done.
High Road opens the action with our better climbers all attacking to get a small gap and then relaying at a stiff pace up the first climb.
Race leader Cadel Evans comes up and joins the group near the top of the hill.
The helpers for High Road bust their butts gaining as much time as they can for Ulissi and Kirchen, but eventually have to fall off the pace. As the leaders crest the top of the second hill, the group consists of Evans, Kirchen and Ulissi.
And as they come to the line, Kirchen outsprints Evans for the stage win. Ulissi cracks a bit at the very end, losing 34 seconds to the two ahead but finishing third overall ahead of Kirchen.
Next season with Ulissi should be a lot of fun. He's already at a high performance level... we can see him competing for a Giro win next year.
Stage:
1 Kim Kirchen Team High Road 3h23'46
2 Cadel Evans Silence - Lotto s.t.
3 Diego Ulissi Team High Road + 34
4 George Hincapie Team High Road + 3'07
5 Dmytro Grabovskyy Quick·Step s.t.
6 Matteo Carrara Quick·Step s.t.
7 Ricardo Serrano Tinkoff Credit Systems s.t.
8 Simon Spilak Lampre s.t.
9 Edvald Boasson Hagen Team High Road s.t.
10 Dani Moreno Caisse d'Epargne s.t.
Final Overall Standings:
1 Cadel Evans Silence - Lotto 29h22'37
2 Andreas Klöden Team Astana + 3'51
3 Diego Ulissi Team High Road + 7'07
4 Kim Kirchen Team High Road + 8'06
5 Christophe Moreau Agritubel + 13'34
6 Markus Fothen Gerolsteiner + 14'38
7 Mikel Astarloza Euskaltel - Euskadi + 15'07
8 Sandy Casar Française des Jeux + 15'24
9 Ryder Hesjedal Slipstream - Chipotle powered by H3O + 16'04
10 Simon Spilak Lampre + 16'09
Final Points:
1 Kim Kirchen Team High Road 108
2 Cadel Evans Silence - Lotto 101
3 Andreas Klöden Team Astana 84
4 Diego Ulissi Team High Road 75
5 Edvald Boasson Hagen Team High Road 69
Final Mountains:
1 George Hincapie Team High Road 168
2 Juanjo Cobo Saunier Duval - Scott 105
3 Cadel Evans Silence - Lotto 97
4 John Gadret AG2R - La Mondiale 83
5 Yauheni Sobal Tinkoff Credit Systems 81
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Posted on 05-06-2008 13:02
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Tour de Suisse - Stage 2
This stage is mostly hilly, with a sharp mountain climb up to the finish. There's no downhill to make up lost time on the climb, so we'll have to be sure to get Rogers into the lead break. Cavendish went on the break today, picking up some points in the sprints (and even a few mountain points).
Rather than wait for someone else to make the first move, Rogers took the initiative today. Pereiro and Leipheimer were quick to follow.
Heading up the final ascent, the lead group consisted of Rogers, Pereiro, Leipheimer and Menchov. Kreuziger was back with the pack, so there was ample reason for all of those in the break to work hard.
Pereiro and Rogers got slightly ahead of the other two as the line approached, seemingly a bit stronger. Rogers pushed hard to pass Pereiro in the sprint, but came up JUST short.
The front two got 15 seconds on their break companions and over two minutes on the pelaton. Rogers moves up to second in the GC.
Stage:
1 Óscar Pereiro Caisse d'Epargne 5h04'26
2 Michael Rogers Team High Road s.t.
3 Levi Leipheimer Team Astana + 15
4 Denis Menchov Rabobank s.t.
5 Hubert Schwab Quick·Step + 2'20
6 Iker Camaño Saunier Duval - Scott s.t.
7 Andy Schleck Team CSC s.t.
8 Manuel Beltrán Liquigas s.t.
9 Sylvester Szmyd Lampre s.t.
10 Andrea Tonti Quick·Step s.t.
GC:
1 Óscar Pereiro Caisse d'Epargne 9h41'16
2 Michael Rogers Team High Road + 1'33
3 Levi Leipheimer Team Astana + 1'50
4 Denis Menchov Rabobank + 2'18
5 Roman Kreuziger Liquigas + 2'30
6 Hubert Schwab Quick·Step + 4'23
7 Andy Schleck Team CSC s.t.
8 Alberto Contador Team Astana s.t.
9 Alejandro Valverde Caisse d'Epargne s.t.
10 Johann Tschopp Bouygues Télécom s.t.
Points:
1 Óscar Pereiro Caisse d'Epargne 15
2 Mark Cavendish Team High Road 12
3 Michael Rogers Team High Road 12
4 Levi Leipheimer Team Astana 10
5 Denis Menchov Rabobank 9
Mountain:
1 Sergio Ghisalberti Team Milram 32
2 Óscar Pereiro Caisse d'Epargne 30
3 Josep Jufré Saunier Duval - Scott 16
4 Alexander Efimkin Quick·Step 16
5 Iñigo Cuesta Team CSC 15
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Posted on 05-06-2008 13:10
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b]Tour de Suisse - Stage 3[/b]
A flat stage, we'll be working for Cav and Ciolek for a result. It's a bit rolling at the end though... hopefully our sprinters can handle the undulations enough to compete.
As the sprint began, Cavendish was well back in the pack. Ciolek was at the back of the prime train, but he was faltering. Rogers and Lovkvist were near the front too, but they didn't have the sprinting ability to compete.
Hushovd wins the stage, followed by Pettachi and McEwen. Ciolek could only garner 8th.
Stage Results:
1 Thor Hushovd Crédit Agricole 3h50'11
2 Alessandro Petacchi Team Milram s.t.
3 Robbie McEwen Silence - Lotto s.t.
4 José JoaquÃn Rojas Caisse d'Epargne s.t.
5 Heinrich Haussler Gerolsteiner s.t.
6 Fabian Wegmann Gerolsteiner s.t.
7 Alejandro Valverde Caisse d'Epargne s.t.
8 Gerald Ciolek Team High Road s.t.
9 José Iván Gutiérrez Caisse d'Epargne s.t.
10 Thomas Lövkvist Team High Road s.t.
GC:
1 Óscar Pereiro Caisse d'Epargne 13h31'27
2 Michael Rogers Team High Road + 1'33
3 Levi Leipheimer Team Astana + 1'50
4 Denis Menchov Rabobank + 2'18
5 Roman Kreuziger Liquigas + 2'30
6 Alejandro Valverde Caisse d'Epargne + 4'23
7 José Iván Gutiérrez Caisse d'Epargne s.t.
8 Andrea Tonti Quick·Step s.t.
9 Thomas Lövkvist Team High Road s.t.
10 Joaquim RodrÃguez Caisse d'Epargne s.t.
Points:
1 Thor Hushovd Crédit Agricole 25
2 Alessandro Petacchi Team Milram 20
3 Michael Rogers Team High Road 16
4 Robbie McEwen Silence - Lotto 16
5 Óscar Pereiro Caisse d'Epargne 15
Mountains:
1 Sergio Ghisalberti Team Milram 32
2 Óscar Pereiro Caisse d'Epargne 30
3 Josep Jufré Saunier Duval - Scott 16
4 Alexander Efimkin Quick·Step 16
5 Iñigo Cuesta Team CSC 15
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Posted on 05-06-2008 13:36
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i don't think people are complaining about the unrealistic number of wins you get, it's more about when you attack with 4 or 5 riders at the same time and they all take the top 5 places by about 2 mins. For example on that last stage of the dauphine libere when you sent 6 riders up the road, thats un-realistic.
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Posted on 05-06-2008 14:45
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ringo182 wrote:
i don't think people are complaining about the unrealistic number of wins you get, it's more about when you attack with 4 or 5 riders at the same time and they all take the top 5 places by about 2 mins. For example on that last stage of the dauphine libere when you sent 6 riders up the road, thats un-realistic.
other then that great job, good luck in le tour.
I guess I can understand that... but the problem is the AI tactics aren't exactly realistic either.
In most cycling races I've watched (the Giro for example), you see a fast pace set up a mountain and people dropping off until just the favorites are left... then the attacks begin.
In PCM, the favorites often attack at the base of climbs while the pelaton is still at 100+ riders. Not just one guy... but 3-4 of the top ranked guys.
One team (even with good climbers) is simply not going to be able to pull a group of 3-4 top GC riders back... so you have to attack as well. But if that happened in a real race... would as many helpers as are capable try to get up and help their leader in the lead group as long as possible in a situation like that?
I think they would.
I can see your point about sending 5 on an attack though. Most teams wouldn't do it because if you fail... you fail utterly (I've done it several times... attacked with everyone gotten pulled back, the majority of the riders drop off the back, my leader has no support, he can't follow any other attacks and I lose a bunch of time).
It's not easy to be realistic in many things though... because the AI doesn't do things realistically either. It's tough to determine what to do in certain situations where "realism" would cause you to lose a stage, but you can win if you pursue an unrealistic path.
If all your sprinters got wiped out on late hills, you can win some stages with a late attack by a rider with an "okay" sprint stat (like Kirchen with 70 sprint).
Would he do that in many races? Probably not. Could it succeed often? Well Cancelera can do it but not many other riders. But if I'm playing a stage I generally want to TRY to win.
Realism is the reason I don't play time trials anymore. I'd be winning over guys like Cancellera with guys who's TT is at 70-72... the results aren't realistic. I feel like the results I'm getting aren't unrealistic... even if the tactics aren't normal.
Perhaps it would be better in my reporting if I skipped tactics that might be objectionable to some. If I started with the picture of Ulissi, Kirchen and Evans in the break... I'm betting realism wouldn't be an issue... despite what I actually did to get there. |
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Posted on 05-06-2008 14:51
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Tour de Suisse - Stage 4
Another sprint stage with rougher terrain. We'll see if Cav and Ciolek can get to the finish in position to sprint.
The late big hill punished our sprinters, and we weren't able to seriously compete. Hushovd won the sprint again, showing he's going to be a factor in the Tour.
Stage:
1 Thor Hushovd Crédit Agricole 4h03'42
2 José JoaquÃn Rojas Caisse d'Epargne s.t.
3 Carlo Scognamiglio Barloworld s.t.
4 Robbie McEwen Silence - Lotto s.t.
5 Heinrich Haussler Gerolsteiner s.t.
6 Martin Elmiger AG2R - La Mondiale s.t.
7 Alessandro Petacchi Team Milram s.t.
8 Alejandro Valverde Caisse d'Epargne s.t.
9 José Iván Gutiérrez Caisse d'Epargne s.t.
10 Matteo Tosatto Quick·Step s.t.
GC:
1 Óscar Pereiro Caisse d'Epargne 17h35'09
2 Michael Rogers Team High Road + 1'33
3 Levi Leipheimer Team Astana + 1'50
4 Denis Menchov Rabobank + 2'18
5 Roman Kreuziger Liquigas + 2'30
6 Alejandro Valverde Caisse d'Epargne + 4'23
7 José Iván Gutiérrez Caisse d'Epargne s.t.
8 Giovanni Visconti Quick·Step s.t.
9 Danilo Di Luca LPR Brakes s.t.
10 Carlos Barredo Quick·Step s.t.
Points:
1 Thor Hushovd Crédit Agricole 50
2 José JoaquÃn Rojas Caisse d'Epargne 33
3 Robbie McEwen Silence - Lotto 29
4 Alessandro Petacchi Team Milram 29
5 Carlo Scognamiglio Barloworld 25
Mountains:
1 Sergio Ghisalberti Team Milram 32
2 Óscar Pereiro Caisse d'Epargne 30
3 Josep Jufré Saunier Duval - Scott 16
4 Alexander Efimkin Quick·Step 16
5 Iñigo Cuesta Team CSC 15
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Posted on 05-06-2008 14:56
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i totally agree with you, the AI realism kind of makes it impossible to get 100% realism in the stories. at the moment in my LPR career Di Luca and Savoldelli are currently 1st and 2nd on GC after 11 stages. Completely unrealistic but i haven't aimed to do it, Savaldelli has just tted his way into second.
i also agree with the leaders all attacking as soon as they get to the bottom of the mountain. i'm always trying to set a fast pace going up to try to stop people attacking but even at 99% relay, everyone still attacks and gets a nice gap so there is no point doing it.
Yeah, maybe if you continue using the same tactics but don't report that you attacked with your whole team it will make the story a bit more realistic. maybe just report once the domestiques have dropped off and the contenders are left up the road.
keep it coming.
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Posted on 05-06-2008 14:58
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Tour de Suisse - Stage 5
While it has a fairly sizeable climb towards the beginning, the late hills mean this will probably be a punchy stage.
Trofimove led the attacks up the last big hill, and Rogers countered along with several others including Menchov.
Trofimov got a lead, and Rogers, Menchov, Barredo and Mazzanti formed the chase group.
Trofimov stayed ahead through the downhill and takes a solid win.
The sprinters in the pelaton were closing, but Rogers was able to stay ahead and take second on the stage.
Stage:
1 Yuri Trofimov Bouygues Télécom 4h14'08
2 Michael Rogers Team High Road + 45
3 Carlos Barredo Quick·Step s.t.
4 Denis Menchov Rabobank s.t.
5 José JoaquÃn Rojas Caisse d'Epargne s.t.
6 Alejandro Valverde Caisse d'Epargne s.t.
7 Danilo Di Luca LPR Brakes s.t.
8 Thor Hushovd Crédit Agricole s.t.
9 Joaquim RodrÃguez Caisse d'Epargne s.t.
10 Heinrich Haussler Gerolsteiner s.t.
GC:
1 Óscar Pereiro Caisse d'Epargne 21h50'02
2 Michael Rogers Team High Road + 1'27
3 Levi Leipheimer Team Astana + 1'50
4 Denis Menchov Rabobank + 2'18
5 Roman Kreuziger Liquigas + 2'30
6 Yuri Trofimov Bouygues Télécom + 3'28
7 Carlos Barredo Quick·Step + 4'19
8 Alejandro Valverde Caisse d'Epargne + 4'23
9 Danilo Di Luca LPR Brakes s.t.
10 Joaquim RodrÃguez Caisse d'Epargne s.t.
Points:
1 Thor Hushovd Crédit Agricole 58
2 José JoaquÃn Rojas Caisse d'Epargne 45
3 Michael Rogers Team High Road 36
4 Yuri Trofimov Bouygues Télécom 30
5 Robbie McEwen Silence - Lotto 29
Mountains:
1 Sergio Ghisalberti Team Milram 32
2 Óscar Pereiro Caisse d'Epargne 30
3 Matteo Bono Lampre 17
4 Vladimir Efimkin AG2R - La Mondiale 16
5 Josep Jufré Saunier Duval - Scott 16
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| Ashton89 |
Posted on 05-06-2008 15:04
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Domestique
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@KurstinSC: I agree with you.. A lot of things in this game aren't realistic. First of all the transfers (Contador transfers to Euskatel - Come on what's up with that), the AI and so on.. I really hope it will be improved a lot for pcm 08  .. |
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| KurtinSC |
Posted on 05-06-2008 15:08
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Breakaway Specialist
Posts: 997
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Tour de Suisse - Stage 6
A big climb at the start and a mountain finish. Rogers needs to keep a close eye on everyone as the GC could get totally scrambled in this stage.
The attacks start on the base of the climb and all of the favorites go. Rogers doesn't have the best positioning and gets stuck in the third escape.
As things stretch out, we have a lead group of Menchov and Efimkin, a chase of Leipheimer, Di Luca and Sastre, and a third group of Rogers, Pereiro, Kreuziger, Barredo and Trofimov.
Menchov takes the stage. Rogers group finishes over 2 minutes back.
Rogers falls back into 4th place, nearly a minute back of a podium spot. Perhaps all the racing hes done this season is starting to catch up with him... he looked tired today.
Stage:
1 Denis Menchov Rabobank 5h09'30
2 Vladimir Efimkin AG2R - La Mondiale + 26
3 Levi Leipheimer Team Astana + 56
4 Danilo Di Luca LPR Brakes s.t.
5 Carlos Sastre Team CSC s.t.
6 Roman Kreuziger Liquigas + 2'08
7 Óscar Pereiro Caisse d'Epargne s.t.
8 Michael Rogers Team High Road s.t.
9 Carlos Barredo Quick·Step s.t.
10 Yuri Trofimov Bouygues Télécom s.t.
GC:
1 Denis Menchov Rabobank 27h01'40
2 Óscar Pereiro Caisse d'Epargne s.t.
3 Levi Leipheimer Team Astana + 34
4 Michael Rogers Team High Road + 1'27
5 Roman Kreuziger Liquigas + 2'30
6 Vladimir Efimkin AG2R - La Mondiale + 2'35
7 Danilo Di Luca LPR Brakes + 3'11
8 Carlos Sastre Team CSC s.t.
9 Yuri Trofimov Bouygues Télécom + 3'28
10 Carlos Barredo Quick·Step + 4'19
Points:
1 Thor Hushovd Crédit Agricole 58
2 José JoaquÃn Rojas Caisse d'Epargne 45
3 Michael Rogers Team High Road 41
4 Denis Menchov Rabobank 37
5 Yuri Trofimov Bouygues Télécom 33
Mountains:
1 Denis Menchov Rabobank 37
2 Sergio Ghisalberti Team Milram 32
3 Vladimir Efimkin AG2R - La Mondiale 31
4 Óscar Pereiro Caisse d'Epargne 30
5 Levi Leipheimer Team Astana 24
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| popkorn |
Posted on 05-06-2008 15:23
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Neo-Pro
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| KurtinSC |
Posted on 05-06-2008 15:41
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Breakaway Specialist
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Tour de Suisse - Stage 7
A fairly flat stage, perhaps Cav and Ciolek can get into the action today.
Or maybe not... Cav had a hard crash early on. He was able to get back into the pelaton though.
The breakaway was keeping away and the pelaton increased their pace to try to get a sprint finsih. But while still a ways back a huge pileup occured. No High Road racers were caught in it, but some of the sprinters were caught in it like Pettachi and Hushovd and some of the GC threats like Di Luca, Valverde and Contador.
High Road was pretty much the only team pushing the pelaton at this point... most other teams had riders they wanted to catch back up. With just us working we couldn't catch the break. Matteo Tosatto won the stage.
Ciolek won the bunch sprint at the end, taking 4th. Rogers moves back up into second due to the crashes.
Stage:
1 Matteo Tosatto Quick·Step 4h19'06
2 Matej Mugerli Liquigas + 29
3 Francesco Bellotti Barloworld s.t.
4 Gerald Ciolek Team High Road + 1'44
5 Mark Cavendish Team High Road s.t.
6 Robbie McEwen Silence - Lotto s.t.
7 Heinrich Haussler Gerolsteiner s.t.
8 Stijn Vandenbergh AG2R - La Mondiale s.t.
9 Erik Zabel Team Milram s.t.
10 Stuart O'Grady Team CSC s.t.
GC:
1 Denis Menchov Rabobank 31h22'30
2 Michael Rogers Team High Road + 1'27
3 Roman Kreuziger Liquigas + 2'30
4 Óscar Pereiro Caisse d'Epargne + 2'42
5 Levi Leipheimer Team Astana + 3'16
6 Yuri Trofimov Bouygues Télécom + 3'28
7 Carlos Barredo Quick·Step + 4'19
8 Vladimir Efimkin AG2R - La Mondiale + 5'17
9 Thomas Lövkvist Team High Road + 5'41
10 Johann Tschopp Bouygues Télécom s.t.
Points:
1 Thor Hushovd Crédit Agricole 58
2 Michael Rogers Team High Road 44
3 Robbie McEwen Silence - Lotto 39
4 Heinrich Haussler Gerolsteiner 37
5 Denis Menchov Rabobank 37
Mountains:
1 Denis Menchov Rabobank 37
2 Sergio Ghisalberti Team Milram 32
3 Vladimir Efimkin AG2R - La Mondiale 31
4 Óscar Pereiro Caisse d'Epargne 30
5 Levi Leipheimer Team Astana 24
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| KurtinSC |
Posted on 05-06-2008 15:48
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Breakaway Specialist
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Tour de Suisse - Stage 8
A steep uphill TT, Rogers needs to shine here.
Unfortunately, Rogers REALLY struggled. I'm not sure if the race days are getting to him or if the incline was too steep or if he's just under the weather, but he lost a great deal of time today... 2 minutes and 24 seconds on stage winner Levi Leipheimer.
This knocked him down to 5th in the GC, with one stage to go.
1 Levi Leipheimer Team Astana 54'49
2 Denis Menchov Rabobank + 8
3 Alberto Contador Team Astana + 12
4 Carlos Sastre Team CSC + 18
5 Óscar Pereiro Caisse d'Epargne + 23
6 Roman Kreuziger Liquigas + 26
7 Bernhard Kohl Gerolsteiner + 27
8 Danilo Di Luca LPR Brakes + 29
9 Alejandro Valverde Caisse d'Epargne + 33
10 Hubert Schwab Quick·Step + 38
11 Janez Brajkovic Team Astana + 43
12 Tadej Valjavec AG2R - La Mondiale s.t.
13 José Iván Gutiérrez Caisse d'Epargne + 48
14 Vladimir Karpets Caisse d'Epargne + 50
15 Paolo Savoldelli LPR Brakes + 51
16 Beñat Intxausti Saunier Duval - Scott + 52
17 Johann Tschopp Bouygues Télécom + 56
18 John Devine Team High Road + 1'00
19 Fabio Duarte Team High Road + 1'05
20 Evgeni Petrov Tinkoff Credit Systems + 1'08
21 Thomas Lövkvist Team High Road + 1'11
22 Joaquim RodrÃguez Caisse d'Epargne + 1'16
23 Andrea Tonti Quick·Step + 1'20
24 Luca Mazzanti Tinkoff Credit Systems + 1'21
25 Carlos Barredo Quick·Step + 1'23
26 Andy Schleck Team CSC + 1'27
27 Yuri Trofimov Bouygues Télécom + 1'30
28 Oliver Zaugg Gerolsteiner + 1'33
29 Jelle Vanendert Française des Jeux + 1'36
30 Sylvester Szmyd Lampre + 1'41
31 Massimiliano Maisto NGC Medical - OTC Industria Porte + 1'45
32 Alexander Efimkin Quick·Step + 1'50
33 Iñigo Cuesta Team CSC + 1'53
34 Patxi Vila Lampre + 1'54
35 Stijn Devolder Quick·Step + 1'59
36 Matthew Lloyd Silence - Lotto + 2'05
37 David Moncoutié Cofidis, Le Crédit par Téléphone + 2'08
38 Manuel Beltrán Liquigas + 2'13
39 Francesco Bellotti Barloworld + 2'19
40 Egoi MartÃnez Euskaltel - Euskadi s.t.
41 Michael Rogers Team High Road + 2'24
42 Valerio Agnoli Liquigas + 2'28
43 Félix Cárdenas Barloworld + 2'30
44 Matej Mugerli Liquigas + 2'32
45 Mario Aerts Silence - Lotto + 2'36
46 Paolo Tiralongo Lampre + 2'42
47 Jure Golcer LPR Brakes s.t.
48 Vladimir Gusev Team Astana + 2'48
49 Rubén Lobato Saunier Duval - Scott + 2'52
50 Andriy Grivko Team Milram s.t.
GC:
1 Denis Menchov Rabobank 32h17'27
2 Roman Kreuziger Liquigas + 2'48
3 Óscar Pereiro Caisse d'Epargne + 2'57
4 Levi Leipheimer Team Astana + 3'08
5 Michael Rogers Team High Road + 3'43
6 Yuri Trofimov Bouygues Télécom + 4'50
7 Carlos Barredo Quick·Step + 5'34
8 Carlos Sastre Team CSC + 6'03
9 Danilo Di Luca LPR Brakes + 6'14
10 Johann Tschopp Bouygues Télécom + 6'29
11 Thomas Lövkvist Team High Road + 6'44
12 Andrea Tonti Quick·Step + 7'25
13 Alberto Contador Team Astana + 8'16
14 Vladimir Efimkin AG2R - La Mondiale + 8'17
15 Alejandro Valverde Caisse d'Epargne + 9'11
Points:
1 Thor Hushovd Crédit Agricole 58
2 Denis Menchov Rabobank 49
3 Michael Rogers Team High Road 44
4 Robbie McEwen Silence - Lotto 39
5 Heinrich Haussler Gerolsteiner 37
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