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2013 Vuelta a Espana - Week 3 (8th September - 15th September)
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| issoisso |
Posted on 10-09-2013 22:17
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
HaRe wrote:
why is everyone so harsh on Horner, remember Horner wasn't that bad before the vuelta and now he has almost no fatigue, is in good form, while others have fatigue.
This is not a computer game, ffs. There is not fatigue screen, which means that if you are not racing whole year, you can win Vuelta coming from seniors house.
HaRe is quite right, Horner is much fresher than others and that has a big impact.
It's the same in football. The top players at every single summer tournament are the ones that were off form or injured most of the season. Iniesta won best player at the last Euro. He was horrendously bad all season until then.
EDIT: Indeed, Zidane was famous for putting in zero effort in any season that ended in a summer tournament
Edited by issoisso on 10-09-2013 22:19
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 10-09-2013 22:17
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SportingNonsense wrote:
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kumazan wrote:
Ian Butler wrote:
same goes for Cancellara's climbing abilities and it scares me that he has a chance of becoming World Champ!
It can be way worse. Imagine Moreno winning. I've been having nightmares since isso mentioned this possibility and I realised there's a (small) realistic chance of it happening.
I'm having been nightmares that Froome win's both the TT and the RR. It's worst.
Froome isnt riding the TT
Now I know. Still, doesn't stop a nightmare. Even if he becomes WC at Road is already a nightmare. |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 10-09-2013 22:47
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That's an example of when numbers start being used the wrong way (Ã la Vayer).
A given number of W/kg means crap when not linked to a duration. Doing an average on different durations is forgetting something along the way.
It'd be more interesting to draw a chart with duration and W/kg, then drawing a logarithmic curb of power regression and only then different riders or one rider in different conditions (Nibali at the 2013 Giro against Nibali in this Vuelta) would make start making sense. A predicted number of W/kg could then be estimated for, say, a 40 minutes effort.
But even then the average altitude should be taken into consideration...
I hope that didn't sound too Chinese. 
Edited by Aquarius on 10-09-2013 22:48
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| wogsrus |
Posted on 11-09-2013 01:14
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"Spanish rider Alejandro Valverde believes some riders in the Vuelta a Espana, including overall leader Vincenzo Nibali, are getting an unfair advantage by using helicopters to get back to their team hotels."
Oh the irony of Valverde whinging about someone having an unfair advantage.... |
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| Nin1388 |
Posted on 11-09-2013 01:35
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Miguel98 wrote:
SportingNonsense wrote:
Miguel98 wrote:
kumazan wrote:
Ian Butler wrote:
same goes for Cancellara's climbing abilities and it scares me that he has a chance of becoming World Champ!
It can be way worse. Imagine Moreno winning. I've been having nightmares since isso mentioned this possibility and I realised there's a (small) realistic chance of it happening.
I'm having been nightmares that Froome win's both the TT and the RR. It's worst.
Froome isnt riding the TT
Now I know. Still, doesn't stop a nightmare. Even if he becomes WC at Road is already a nightmare.
Froome is total sh*t in hilly terrain and his team will be useless. It's tactics that are important, not power. Nibali will drop him on descent into Florence.
In fact its not even Nibali who have advantage.
Race will be between guys like Sagan, Gilbert, Purito, Valverde, LL Sanchez, Cancellara, etc. |
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| Malkael |
Posted on 11-09-2013 03:11
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Stage 17 - Calahorra to Burgos (189 KM)
After a rest day to recharge the batteries, la Vuelta a Espana recommences with a 189km stage from Calahorra to Burgos. On paper this should be the penultimate sprint stage before la Vuelta's conclusion in Madrid. However, Stage 17 could witness yet another breakaway victory if the sprint teams are unable or unwilling to chase.
Currently the weather forecast is not smiling upon the peloton, with strong winds predicted to affect the stage. The riders may have to battle a headwind from the beginning of the stage until the first intermediate sprint at Logroño, 41.5km in to the stage. With deadly crosswinds possible afterwards up until the climb of the Alto de Pradilla. After which the peloton should get a favourable tailwind for the majority of the remaining stage.
Despite being categorised as a flat stage, the riders will still have to ascend an accumulated 1,641m. With Stage 17 featuring two third category climbs, the Alto de Pradilla and the Alto de Valmala, and the uncategorised Calle Eras de San Francisco during the last half of the parcours. The Alto de Pradilla measures 6km with an average gradient of 5.4%, while the Alto de Valmala is 5.8km at an average of 5.6%.
The final ten kilometres of the stage will be dominated by the uncategorised Calle Eras de San Francisco. With a technical and narrow descent to follow, contenders for the stage victory will need to be near the front of the pack. At five kilometres remaining the terrain flattens out and straightens, with the stage finishing on a long straight road perfect for a sprint.
With several of the sprint teams missing personnel, Stage 17 could be another perfect opportunity for the breakaway to steal the stage victory. However, the strong winds predicted in combination with their direction could see the advantage swing back to the peloton. The massive question for the sprinters and their support will be if they are still in the right position after the Calle Eras de San Francisco.
Out of the remaining sprinters three names arguably stand out above the rest. With Edvald Boasson Hagen of Team Sky, Giani Meersman of Omega Pharma – Quick-Step, and Michael Matthews of Orica-GreenEDGE all on paper likely to survive the tricky approach. However, should a breakaway not claim the victory, the sprinters will have to pacify the plucky opportunists.
With the sprinters lacking support riders to help chase down attacks within the final kilometres we could see someone like Juan Antonio Flecha attempt another last minute attack. Whilst Fabian Cancellara would also be suited to attacking during the Calle Eras de San Francisco, with the proven power to hold off an onrushing peloton. Whilst Euskaltel-Euskadi will certainly be eager to attempt something, as they continue to seek something from the 2013 Vuelta a Espana.
Personally I would favour the chances of the breakaway making it for yet another stage, but its success wildly depends on the composition of the breakaway. Should a rather large breakaway with representatives from almost every team establish itself, the peloton behind may struggle to organise a proper chase.
On paper it is potentially a stage for the sprinters. However, reality says that it could either go to a breakaway or a late attack during the Calle Eras de San Francisco. Who will emerge victorious on Stage 17?
Edited by Malkael on 11-09-2013 03:13
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 11-09-2013 06:53
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issoisso wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
HaRe wrote:
why is everyone so harsh on Horner, remember Horner wasn't that bad before the vuelta and now he has almost no fatigue, is in good form, while others have fatigue.
This is not a computer game, ffs. There is not fatigue screen, which means that if you are not racing whole year, you can win Vuelta coming from seniors house.
HaRe is quite right, Horner is much fresher than others and that has a big impact.
It's the same in football. The top players at every single summer tournament are the ones that were off form or injured most of the season. Iniesta won best player at the last Euro. He was horrendously bad all season until then.
EDIT: Indeed, Zidane was famous for putting in zero effort in any season that ended in a summer tournament
I know it has benefits, but if it was the clear case for everyone, half of riders would be doing shit whole year. So anybody who is random top15 GT rider just stops riding and win Vuelta, or he has to wait till 41 to truly benefit from it?
It helps, but not much like doping is for him.
Zidane remark is nice, as he was doper too.
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| Cossack |
Posted on 11-09-2013 10:13
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Zidane remark is nice, as he was doper too.
Is there any evidence of that? Just curious, I always thought of Zidane as player whose main strength is technique and intelligence, elements not affected by doping too much. |
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 11-09-2013 11:05
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I have no evidence , i read some articles and i believe he was seen at some doping doctor by some cyclists?
Also Zdenek Zeman, czech football trainer working in Seria A accused Juventus Turin from systematic doping in 90s, here is some article reffering to that.
https://www.nytime....html?_r=0
Pretty clear to me.
Edited by Avin Wargunnson on 11-09-2013 11:06
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| Farmer Sam |
Posted on 11-09-2013 12:31
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Adam Hansen (Lotto Belisol) and Javier Aramendia (Caja Rural) are in the days break, they have 4 minutes lead. |
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 11-09-2013 12:33
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Hansen to win today then.  |
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| kubys |
Posted on 11-09-2013 13:12
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Hansen.
Die hard fan of Tom Boonen and Quickstep since 2004.
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| Malkael |
Posted on 11-09-2013 16:20
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Echelons!
Splits in the peloton due to the pace and the wind. No news of any major riders missing the split yet. |
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| Miguel98 |
Posted on 11-09-2013 16:20
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Wait, something exciting is actually happening? Impossibru. |
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| sutty68 |
Posted on 11-09-2013 16:23
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Cancellara's last stage of the Vuelta today, i wonder if he will go for the win 
Edited by sutty68 on 11-09-2013 16:23
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 11-09-2013 16:24
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wogsrus wrote:
https://www.sbs.co...-advantage
"Spanish rider Alejandro Valverde believes some riders in the Vuelta a Espana, including overall leader Vincenzo Nibali, are getting an unfair advantage by using helicopters to get back to their team hotels."
Oh the irony of Valverde whinging about someone having an unfair advantage....
lance already started that years ago. Nibbles has lot do to with press , podium etc. after every stage.
thry used helicopter already at giro. kangert as important helper also got to ride.
it is ofcorse advantage for shure
Edited by Guido Mukk on 11-09-2013 16:26
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| Malkael |
Posted on 11-09-2013 16:25
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Oh oh, Pozzovivo caught behind. Saxo-Tinkoff pushing it hard to keep the Italian distanced. Roche could climb back up the GC at this rate. |
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| kumazan |
Posted on 11-09-2013 16:25
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Pinot has been left behind as well.
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 11-09-2013 16:27
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sidewind? |
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| Alakagom |
Posted on 11-09-2013 16:28
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EBH has Puccio with him in first group.
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