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| whitejersey |
Posted on 26-11-2012 09:10
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It's the other way around, Gasparotto is going to the tour and Brajkovicto the Giro 
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 26-11-2012 09:23
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Oh yeah, sorry, must've read it wrong,  |
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| Montolivo |
Posted on 26-11-2012 09:32
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Also Andrea Guardini will ride the Tour. Gasparotto will go for Tour stage wins. |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 26-11-2012 21:56
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That's not really news, but I've found it interesting nonetheless.
Fred Grappe (FDJeux's trainer and "Watts specialist" ) voiced a brilliant idea on twitter.
Besides the biological passport, that only accounts biological data (d'oh), he said that a relatively cheap thing to do would be to have a "personalised power profile". A mere document that would say how much power each rider can produce during certain amounts of time. 1 minute, 4 minutes, 20, 60, 140 or 360, etc.
Huge variations are unlikely to happen, at least not for natural reasons.
Using those data, and cross-checking them with what riders achieve in races would make it possible to classify their performances as "deceiving", "normal", "above expected", "suspicious", "highly suspicious", "totally unnatural", etc. He didn't use these words, at least not all of them, but you get the idea.
Some riders who doped specifically for one race (Tour de France, namely) gained more than 50 W in one month. That cannot happen naturally.
Of course weight and motivation play a part, but there are limits to everything, plus weight can be checked quite easily.
Edited by Aquarius on 26-11-2012 21:56
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| CountArach |
Posted on 26-11-2012 22:25
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Sounds like a great idea and realistically a lot of teams have access to them power outputs already. Which, now that I think about it means that claiming that they don't know a rider is doping, or even suspecting it, is really quite impossible.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 26-11-2012 22:59
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CountArach wrote:
Sounds like a great idea and realistically a lot of teams have access to them power outputs already. Which, now that I think about it means that claiming that they don't know a rider is doping, or even suspecting it, is really quite impossible.
Meh, recorded data doesn't tell you the whole story.
Just ask Jonathan Vaughters:
A high vo2 max does not make a great rider. I had a very high vo2. Higher than Bernard Hinaults, almost certainly. He was great, I was mediocre. Why? because while in a limited 30 minute laboratory test, i could reach very high points of shifting oxygen. He could do 95% of that for 6 hours on the road. I was a car with very big engine with a small gas tank and a driver with bad depth perception.
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btw - vo2 max is not a great indicator of ability. We don't test for it. We use a test that steps up every 10 minutes, from power level to power level. You never reach vo2 max with such long/fatiguing intervals. We measure v02 , but it never gets to max before the rider fails. This test is, however, a great indicator of on road performance, because it lasts an hour and a half and is very tough the whole time. The guys hate it.
This type of testing is more aligned with how your body adapts to and tolerates acidity. Which is far more interesting than v02 max.
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| rjc_43 |
Posted on 26-11-2012 23:03
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Aquarius wrote:
Of course weight and motivation play a part, but there are limits to everything, plus weight can be checked quite easily.
And of course, weight, as it goes down, can often impact absolute power output - sometimes it will go down due to a loss in a bit of power from loss of muscle mass. At the same time, as the rider comes into a peak, their absolute power will increase slightly.
A power meter will only ever measure absolute power. Which doesn't take into account weight of a rider.
Relative power output is comparing absolute against rider weight. This will change the most over a season.
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 27-11-2012 09:04
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Contador raises his voice for a non-tolerance for doping.
Thomas De Gendt will start in the Tour Down Under. He likes to race there and it'd be nice to grab some points for the team.
O'Grady will try to break Hincapie's record of participations in the Tour. He'll try to race two more.
Hushovd is feeling good again after a bad season and is on schedule for next year!
Edited by Ian Butler on 27-11-2012 12:45
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| sutty68 |
Posted on 27-11-2012 13:51
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Apparently Tyler Hamilton, speaking on Sky Sports this morning says he has more revelations that will shock the World of cycling  |
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| SSJ2Luigi |
Posted on 27-11-2012 13:53
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sutty68 wrote:
Apparently Tyler Hamilton, speaking on Sky Sports this morning says he has more revelations that will shock the World of cycling
like that is something we want 
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| sutty68 |
Posted on 27-11-2012 13:56
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SSJ2Luigi wrote:
sutty68 wrote:
Apparently Tyler Hamilton, speaking on Sky Sports this morning says he has more revelations that will shock the World of cycling
like that is something we want
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| Wilier |
Posted on 27-11-2012 14:43
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Well I want it. I want every cheater caught.
Edited by Wilier on 27-11-2012 14:50
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| kumazan |
Posted on 27-11-2012 14:56
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issoisso wrote:
CountArach wrote:
Sounds like a great idea and realistically a lot of teams have access to them power outputs already. Which, now that I think about it means that claiming that they don't know a rider is doping, or even suspecting it, is really quite impossible.
Meh, recorded data doesn't tell you the whole story.
Just ask Jonathan Vaughters:
But we're talking about power thresholds here, not VO2max or other physiological data. It could be a decent tool for selective testing, as a complement for the bio passport.
Edited by kumazan on 27-11-2012 14:57
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 27-11-2012 15:00
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Wilier wrote:
Well I want it. I want every cheater caught.
Me too, rather hear the truth (if that is what Hamilton brings us), than live in sweet lies.
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 27-11-2012 18:12
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kumazan wrote:
issoisso wrote:
CountArach wrote:
Sounds like a great idea and realistically a lot of teams have access to them power outputs already. Which, now that I think about it means that claiming that they don't know a rider is doping, or even suspecting it, is really quite impossible.
Meh, recorded data doesn't tell you the whole story.
Just ask Jonathan Vaughters:
But we're talking about power thresholds here, not VO2max or other physiological data. It could be a decent tool for selective testing, as a complement for the bio passport.
This. V02 max is more or less equivalent to the power one can sustain during 3 or 4 minutes, maybe 5 but not more. Typically a pursuiter thing.
That's not the most relevant parameter for a pro road cyclist. At least it's far from being the only one.
That's why Grappe suggests that this would be recorded among other parameters, like power over 20 minutes, 45 minutes, one hour, four or six hours.
On the last two ones Hinault would own Vaughters, but thing that's only relevant when you compare different riders. One rider values won't fluctuate too much during one season. A sudden increase in performance would hint at a cheating of some sort. |
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| manindemaan |
Posted on 27-11-2012 18:53
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A Dutch sports magazine (AD sportwereld) investigated doping among 50 Dutch cyclists from the period between 1998 and 2005. On asking whether they doped most of them answered 'no', one did not answer, and - showing that there are no dopers - no one said yes.
Case solved. Amen.
More interesting, some peoples' reactions:
- Bram Tankink (and some others) wondered whether they expect anyone to confirm doping that way.
- Aart Vierhouten (ex lotto) had to think about the question for a few days, then denied.
- Johan Bruinsma ('no' told he had informed himself about doping towards the end of his career and was shocked he could have got some anabolics simply from the doctor
- Davy Dubbeldam (ex-TVM) said "I could say no but I wouldn't feel well doing so. That this answer would raise doubt? Then be it that way."
- Gerben Löwik: 'no, therefore I'm in the furniture business now' |
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| sutty68 |
Posted on 27-11-2012 19:30
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Wilier wrote:
Well I want it. I want every cheater caught.
Me too, rather hear the truth (if that is what Hamilton brings us), than live in sweet lies.
I wonder who will be next on the hit list |
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| Ian Butler |
Posted on 27-11-2012 19:32
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Please not Danny Pate  |
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 27-11-2012 20:00
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Ian Butler wrote:
Please not Danny Pate
Dont be fool, he is a natural born killer. 
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| FreitasPCM |
Posted on 27-11-2012 20:38
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Anyone knows when UCI will reveal the list of World Tour and Pro-Conti teams? |
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