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| mb2612 |
Posted on 20-09-2012 06:58
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I dislike short mountain stages, so I'm not really a fan if this is the queen stage, but as a minor mountain stage, not bad 
 [url=www.pcmdaily.com/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=33182] Team Santander Media Thread[/url]
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 20-09-2012 07:29
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Could be a very hard stage if they really decide to race it.
I can't resist starting to work on it in the stage editor already. 
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| fred947a |
Posted on 20-09-2012 08:20
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If that's the line the Giro route is taking next year it sure looks promosing  |
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| Farmer Sam |
Posted on 20-09-2012 08:28
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Cannondale have become the sole sponsor of the World Tour Team Liqiugas. So they'll be the Cannondale Pro Cycling Team.
Here's a picture of the team's logo, a nod to what colours will be involved in their team kit no doubt. White, green, blue, perhaps it'll be very similar to Liquigas' current outfit.
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| Farmer Sam |
Posted on 20-09-2012 08:34
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The new UCI Europe Tour calendar (Spanish)
https://www.bicici...p?id=55718
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| sutty68 |
Posted on 20-09-2012 08:36
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Farmer Sam wrote:
Cannondale have become the sole sponsor of the World Tour Team Liqiugas. So they'll be the Cannondale Pro Cycling Team.
Here's a picture of the team's logo, a nod to what colours will be involved in their team kit no doubt. White, green, blue, perhaps it'll be very similar to Liquigas' current outfit.
https://twitpic.co...
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| Schleck96 |
Posted on 20-09-2012 08:38
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I really like that Galibier finish. I just can't wait for the 2013 routes for all the GT's.... |
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| Farmer Sam |
Posted on 20-09-2012 09:32
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Forgot to put this on the bottom of Cannondale post, here is the video
https://www.youtub...e=youtu.be
**DISCLAIMER** Not as good as Call Me Maybe... |
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| kumazan |
Posted on 20-09-2012 11:53
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CountArach wrote:
So stage 15 of the Giro has officially been unveiled at Interbike in LA:
https://www.steeph...-15-update
That's right: A summit finish on Galibier via the Telegraphe... In the Giro. I'm excited already.
150km? Is this for the GiroBio or... :/
Still, at least they chose the good side of the Galibier, but I hope there are better mountain stages, if so, I don't mind this one.
Oh, and no Cima Coppi. Will they include Stelvio again?
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| Smal |
Posted on 20-09-2012 11:56
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Shorter stages are better. Should make for more attacking racing. |
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| kumazan |
Posted on 20-09-2012 12:12
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Indeed. That's why the best mountain stages are always the longer ones. 
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| Smal |
Posted on 20-09-2012 12:22
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Perhaps they were better in an era when everyone was pumped with EPO |
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| kumazan |
Posted on 20-09-2012 12:27
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Wow, you managed to say the two most ridiculous clichés about mountain stages in two consecutive posts. Congratulations!
PS: I'm talking about the last 3 years. Wooops!
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| jt1109 |
Posted on 20-09-2012 12:33
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kumazan wrote:
Wow, you managed to say the two most ridiculous clichés about mountain stages in two consecutive posts. Congratulations!
PS: I'm talking about the last 3 years. Wooops!
I actually agree with him not the EPO part the short mountain stages do sometimes produce better racing but only when placed correctly in a stage race like Tour 2011 up Alpe D'huez, Veulta stages this year all were under 185km this year and also the Perygaudes stage at the tour. |
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| jt1109 |
Posted on 20-09-2012 12:34
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Edit: news already said earlier
RIP VICTOR
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| Johan92 |
Posted on 20-09-2012 12:50
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kumazan wrote:
Wow, you managed to say the two most ridiculous clichés about mountain stages in two consecutive posts. Congratulations!
PS: I'm talking about the last 3 years. Wooops!
So did you...
The length doesn't really matter, it's always the riders that make the race good or bad. Two of the best mountain stages last year was the long one to Val di Fassa in the Giro and the short one to Alpe d'Huez in the Tour. However, I like short and hard mountain stages, nothing wrong about them. At the same time it's nothing wrong with 250 km mountain stages either. A good mix is the best mix.
I think the Galibier stage looks great. However probably too much downhill before Galibier, a longer stage wouldn't make up for that anyway. However they go up from the best side of Galibier. At least something can happen on Telegraphe, since that's a pretty hard climb compared to Lautaret on the other side.
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| kumazan |
Posted on 20-09-2012 12:59
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Johan92 wrote:
The length doesn't really matter, it's always the riders that make the race good or bad.
That's ridiculous. Do you think the Milano - Sanremo wouldn't be different if it was 150km long?
Johan92 wrote:
Two of the best mountain stages last year was the long one to Val di Fassa in the Giro and the short one to Alpe d'Huez in the Tour. However, I like short and hard mountain stages, nothing wrong about them. At the same time it's nothing wrong with 250 km mountain stages either. A good mix is the best mix.
Of course, you're conveniently "forgetting" what happened the day before of that Alpe d'Huez stage, when in a 200km long stage, with 3 HC climbs, Schleck attacked from 60km out and did make it to the finish, as opposed to the Alpe stage where we had the peloton together at the foot of the Alpe.
Anyway, I'm not saying there mustn't be any ~150km mountain stage in GTs, variety is good. The problem is when all mountain stages are short (2012 Tour), and I'm afraid the Giro could do exactly that this year, hence my post.
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| alexanderlens |
Posted on 20-09-2012 13:03
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I agree with Kumazan. The first week of this years Vuelta was better than the whole TdF.
Guess who's back?
Lets see how many friens are still around... |
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| Johan92 |
Posted on 20-09-2012 13:31
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That's ridiculous. Do you think the Milano - Sanremo wouldn't be different if it was 150km long?
It's not ridiculous. The length alone doesn't make the race. Off course the length in SanRemo matters, however it's not everything. Judge the stage by it's length alone is ridiculous. Both short stages and long stages is exiting, but the length and the profile alone doesn't decide everything. IN the end, it's up to the riders and that was my point, which you clearly missed.
Of course, you're conveniently "forgetting" what happened the day before of that Alpe d'Huez stage, when in a 200km long stage, with 3 HC climbs, Schleck attacked from 60km out and did make it to the finish, as opposed to the Alpe stage where we had the peloton together at the foot of the Alpe.
Anyway, I'm not saying there mustn't be any ~150km mountain stage in GTs, variety is good. The problem is when all mountain stages are short (2012 Tour), and I'm afraid the Giro could do exactly that this year, hence my post.
I'm not conveniently forgetting anything... And I know what happened the day before. Do you remember what happend on the climb before Alpe?
This years Vuelta had no crazy long and hard mountain stages, still it was in my opinion the best GT of the year. And we do agree, variety is good. I didn't like this years Vuelta route, but it turned out fantastic anyway because the riders were up to it. As said, in the end it's the riders that make the race good or bad, not the route.
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| kumazan |
Posted on 20-09-2012 13:43
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Johan92 wrote:
That's ridiculous. Do you think the Milano - Sanremo wouldn't be different if it was 150km long?
It's not ridiculous. The length alone doesn't make the race. Off course the length in SanRemo matters, however it's not everything. Judge the stage by it's length alone is ridiculous. Both short stages and long stages is exiting, but the length and the profile alone doesn't decide everything. IN the end, it's up to the riders and that was my point, which you clearly missed.
Of course it's up to the riders, and I never said that length is the only factor. But it is a factor, and denying it, as you did, is ridiculous.
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I'm not conveniently forgetting anything... And I know what happened the day before. Do you remember what happend on the climb before Alpe?
I do, it was some very good racing. Pointless very good racing though, because, as the stage was so short, even a team like Europcar could control it. That's the problem with short stages, they're way too easy to control for a strong team.
Johan92 wrote:
This years Vuelta had no crazy long and hard mountain stages, still it was in my opinion the best GT of the year. And we do agree, variety is good. I didn't like this years Vuelta route, but it turned out fantastic anyway because the riders were up to it. As said, in the end it's the riders that make the race good or bad, not the route.
It was the best GT of the year because the Tour and the Giro both sucked, and because Contador was off form, so he needed to attack countless times, eventually doing his great attack (in the longest mountain stage, btw). Calling it fantastic is a (very big) overstatement.
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