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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 20-06-2010 16:34
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Goldberger wrote:
CrueTrue wrote:
Reading the Cyclingnews forum, it appears that people still see Armstrong as a top time triallist. News flash: He's not.
I think most people knows it, 95% of the comments regarding Armstrong in that forum is negative.
That's the point. They are negative, because they expected more... |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 20-06-2010 17:23
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*Gets home*
*Sees results*
Wait WHAT?????
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"I love him, I think he's great. He's transformed the sport in so many ways. Every person in cycling has benefitted from Lance Armstrong, perhaps not financially but in some sense" - Bradley Wiggins on Lance Armstrong
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| ruben |
Posted on 20-06-2010 17:25
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*gets home after long weekend*
*sees results
*major what the fuck*?
Gesink's worst time trial since he became pro |
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| Goldberger |
Posted on 20-06-2010 17:55
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ruben wrote:
*gets home after long weekend*
*sees results
*major what the fuck*?
Gesink's worst time trial since he became pro
He sucked pretty badly today, didn't he  |
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| Goldberger |
Posted on 20-06-2010 17:59
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CrueTrue wrote:
Goldberger wrote:
CrueTrue wrote:
Reading the Cyclingnews forum, it appears that people still see Armstrong as a top time triallist. News flash: He's not.
I think most people knows it, 95% of the comments regarding Armstrong in that forum is negative.
That's the point. They are negative, because they expected more...
That's not my experience from the cyclingnews forum, most of the people there constantly complain over Armstrongs skills, form, personality. Basicly everything he does is wrong, and someone always has a "funny" comment about him and radioshack while sweating away in front of their computers |
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| ruben |
Posted on 20-06-2010 18:03
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Goldberger wrote:
ruben wrote:
*gets home after long weekend*
*sees results
*major what the fuck*?
Gesink's worst time trial since he became pro
He sucked pretty badly today, didn't he
Probably choked, stress, dunno.
He never done a time trial this bad. Never! |
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| doddy13 |
Posted on 20-06-2010 18:31
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Cyclingnews forum members are generally very negative. Obviously some aren't, but everytime you see a good performance from a guy, check the "Clinic" forum, chances are they've got a post.
There's no point slapping a schleck - Sean Kelly on "Who needs a slap"
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| issoisso |
Posted on 20-06-2010 19:22
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doddy13 wrote:
Cyclingnews forum members are generally very negative. Obviously some aren't, but everytime you see a good performance from a guy, check the "Clinic" forum, chances are they've got a post.
It's not "the forum members". There's tons of people in both extremes. Look at Armstrong, there's tons of the retarded "He sucks, he was never good it was all the drugs" people and also tons of the retarded "ZOMG Armstrong >> Coppi. He's an angel. He's a saintly figure. I want his babies" people.
Pick your poison.
ruben wrote:
Goldberger wrote:
ruben wrote:
*gets home after long weekend*
*sees results
*major what the fuck*?
Gesink's worst time trial since he became pro
He sucked pretty badly today, didn't he
Probably choked, stress, dunno.
He never done a time trial this bad. Never!
HE NEVAR DONE NO DIS BAD JIM BUBBA! NEVAR!
GIT'ER DUN BOY, GIT'ER DUN!
Today's stage reminded me of a discussion on a forum two years ago. At the time Breukink said Gesink was more talented than Dekker and "only" lacked mental strength. At the time the dutch fans were very annoyed by that. I wonder if it turns out Breukink was right?
Edited by issoisso on 20-06-2010 19:28
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| Goldberger |
Posted on 20-06-2010 20:34
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issoisso wrote:
It's not "the forum members". There's tons of people in both extremes. Look at Armstrong, there's tons of the retarded "He sucks, he was never good it was all the drugs" people and also tons of the retarded "ZOMG Armstrong >> Coppi. He's an angel. He's a saintly figure. I want his babies" people.
Pick your poison.
Are you reading the same forum as me???
Yes, you will maybe one or two posters in a thread who thinks Lance is awesome, but they instantly get beat down and laughed at by a huge amount of posters that has Armstrong bashing as their biggest hobby.
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| hillis91 |
Posted on 20-06-2010 20:36
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issoisso wrote:
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Its something about riding in front of your friends, family and on your own "ground" that does something to you.
Yes, it does. But going from a mediocre climber to climbing major mountain passes with the best in a matter of days? No chance.
Gradual improvement? Sure, that's believable. Massive improvement very suddenly? Not in a million years.
Especially being a guy who's ridden for Phonak, Astana and Phonak 2
hillis91 wrote:
Not nesseserly the fact that the riders are doped just because they did well? How dumb of a comment is that.
That's exactly my reaction. How dumb of a comment is that? If anyone had said that riders are doped just because they did well, they'd be very very dumb. It's a good thing nobody said it.
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So are you one of does that means that Lance was taking illegal supstense while winning 7 TDF's in a row? Come on now
What's Armstrong got to do with anything?
Your credibility's just taken quite a toll. Even a blind person can see the evidence against Armstrong. To say what you just said, you have to be wilfully blind. You have to WANT to not see Armstrong's doping.
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, its possible to do well without using EPO or whatnot.
Yeah, it is. And what has that got to do with anything?
hillis91 wrote:
And after your comments, its clear to see that you have never been a cyclist on a serious level. And experienced the trill to ride in front of your own "crowd".
So I can't judge the performance of a racehorse unless I was once a horse? Flawless logic.
Good job breaking my post down 
My point was:
You can't judge a cyclist on how is body and mind reacts to a certin thing. Because if you ever have experienced the trill to ride in front of your own people bla bla bla. Then you should now that it gives you a boost. And i dont think that Voigt could ever be using illegal supstenses. Not in a million years.
And so, if the evidences are so clear against Lance. How come they havent convicted him or why do they still let him ride?
Come on now son, shape up
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| issoisso |
Posted on 20-06-2010 20:51
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hillis91 wrote:
You can't judge a cyclist on how is body and mind reacts to a certin thing. Because if you ever have experienced the trill to ride in front of your own people bla bla bla.
OK, if your argument is that he did so well because he was riding in front of his own people, explain how he's never had a performane anywhere like this when he rode this race in the past?
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And i dont think that Voigt could ever be using illegal supstenses. Not in a million years.
Why? Because he "tries hard"?
Shall we look at what Jaksche and Kohl told us? Jaksche told us he once had a conversation with Voigt about where they hid their respective drugs during the police raids.
Meanwhile, Kohl said it was common knowledge in the peloton that CSC were on PFCs during the 2007 Tour of Germany and even joked about it over dinner with CSC.
Voigt also rides for Riis' team. If that's not a cesspool of drugs, what is?
Any way you try to slice it, 92kg Voigt dropping Gesink, Leipheimer, Kashechkin, Piepolo and co. in the mountains just doesn't fly. Not without a "boost" that gives you a tremendous performance increase that the others wouldn't dare use because of the dangers to your health.....like PFC.
hillis91 wrote:
And so, if the evidences are so clear against Lance. How come they havent convicted him or why do they still let him ride?
You do realize there's a federal investigation going on as we speak, right?
hillis91 wrote:
Come on now son, shape up
What chu talkin bout hillis?
Edited by issoisso on 20-06-2010 23:11
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| fefj |
Posted on 20-06-2010 20:59
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What kind of drug is PFC?? |
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| Deda |
Posted on 20-06-2010 23:14
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https://en.wikiped...uorocarbon
If offense is the best defence, does it mean that defence is the worst defence?
If I should die before I wake, I pray the Lord will delete my browser history.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 20-06-2010 23:17
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fefj wrote:
What kind of drug is PFC??
Perfluorocarbon Synthetic Haemoglobin. It's artificial blood used to help sick people.
A small dose can kill you....it can also massively increase your oxygen carrying capacity. Like EPO, but more extreme.
And just like EPO, the bigger you are and the more muscle you have, the bigger benefit you'll reap.
That's the reason drugs would still be unfair even if everyone used them: As soon as EPO showed up, huge guys with tons of muscle like Induráin, Ullrich, etc. who couldn't climb with the best......suddenly could! The best climbers before EPO were tiny guys like Herrera or Delgado.
Then EPO came and suddenly they had enough oxygen carrying capacity to feed all those muscles fully for a long time....suddenly they could climb!
And for the past few years, as controls became tighter and EPO use decreased slowly, huge guys with a ton of muscle like Karpets went from good climbers to very, very average.
EDIT: I should also mention that this is another reason why EPO made the racing boring. Not only did it become more controlled (teams suddenly had the stamina to ride at the front the whole day every day and keep the race dull and controlled), but also because the big guys suddenly could climb with the best and win time in the TTs and that just made stage racing duuuuuuuuull.....
Really, the only good thing doping has done for the quality of racing is that when on drugs you're more likely to have bad days and blow up randomly.......which makes that old argument by blinds fans "he can't be on drugs because he has bad days" hilarious.
Edited by issoisso on 20-06-2010 23:24
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| Wyman |
Posted on 20-06-2010 23:25
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Well you learn something new everyday... i'd never heard PFC before..
and that's why i like you Isso you speak the truth and keep me upto date on all the different types of PED's... your not Manolo Saiz in disguise are you?? 
i don't care what drugs Jens takes he's a legend 
Edited by Wyman on 20-06-2010 23:27
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| rjc_43 |
Posted on 20-06-2010 23:36
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https://twitter.c...
He's that dude. That one. *points
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| Wyman |
Posted on 20-06-2010 23:44
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Haha quality... i may give that guy a ring.. he seem's to know Di Luca xD
Must be a credible person... 
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| hillis91 |
Posted on 21-06-2010 04:38
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issoisso wrote:
hillis91 wrote:
You can't judge a cyclist on how is body and mind reacts to a certin thing. Because if you ever have experienced the trill to ride in front of your own people bla bla bla.
OK, if your argument is that he did so well because he was riding in front of his own people, explain how he's never had a performane anywhere like this when he rode this race in the past?
hillis91 wrote:
And i dont think that Voigt could ever be using illegal supstenses. Not in a million years.
Why? Because he "tries hard"?
Shall we look at what Jaksche and Kohl told us? Jaksche told us he once had a conversation with Voigt about where they hid their respective drugs during the police raids.
Meanwhile, Kohl said it was common knowledge in the peloton that CSC were on PFCs during the 2007 Tour of Germany and even joked about it over dinner with CSC.
Voigt also rides for Riis' team. If that's not a cesspool of drugs, what is?
Any way you try to slice it, 92kg Voigt dropping Gesink, Leipheimer, Kashechkin, Piepolo and co. in the mountains just doesn't fly. Not without a "boost" that gives you a tremendous performance increase that the others wouldn't dare use because of the dangers to your health.....like PFC.
hillis91 wrote:
And so, if the evidences are so clear against Lance. How come they havent convicted him or why do they still let him ride?
You do realize there's a federal investigation going on as we speak, right?
hillis91 wrote:
Come on now son, shape up
What chu talkin bout hillis?
Damn, you really got this "breaking-it-down" thing on lock
Maybe your right, but it would be heartbreaking if its true. Its so sad to go around expecting every good rider to be on some illegal stuff. Maybe thats why i "close my eyes", hehe.
You made some good points. Lets see whats happens, i hope that im right - for the sports sake.
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| kumazan |
Posted on 21-06-2010 07:32
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Huh, I don't want to offend anyone, nor to re-start the discussion, but being voluntarily blind or hinding behing naiveness doesn't help the sport. Quite on the contrary, imo. |
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 21-06-2010 13:47
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Geting back from work trip..
Fränki boy won the Suisse tour with TT..?
Gesink was that bad? |
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