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Posted on 20-05-2010 13:02
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I still wonder why Landis suddenly decided to change his mind and admit? Did Lance forget to pay his monthly bribe?
In other news: Belgian newspaper Het Laatste Nieuws reports about a new form of doping. Rumours say that some cyclist have little engines hidden in the frames of their bike. This would give them an advantage of up to 100 watt. UCI say they suspect some riders of doing this, but have no proof.
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https://www.hln.be/hln/nl/1297/Doping-...oton.dhtml
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Posted on 20-05-2010 13:03
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JDC: It was posted yesterday.
About Landis' motivation? Well, Lance stood up for him in the trials, but when Lance got his own team, he didn't find a spot for Landis. I wouldn't be surprised if that had something to do with this |
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Posted on 20-05-2010 13:04
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Good for Landis, but this will do nothing but to create lots of discussions in forums like this. Too bad he has no documentation whatsoever to base his claims on. |
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Posted on 20-05-2010 13:07
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kumazan wrote:
Good for Landis, but this will do nothing but to create lots of discussions in forums like this. Too bad he has no documentation whatsoever to base his claims on.
There are many many more details that I have in diaries
And if he took care to take a picture of the motorcycle with the refrigerated panniers, I'll bet my ass he did the same when he was left alone with the blood bags for weeks.
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Posted on 20-05-2010 13:20
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Yeah, but he can tell all the details he wants to, it'll be nothing if he hasn't real proofs. And I doubt he took pictures of the blood bags. Why would someone take a photo of something like that? Did he know by then that he'll need them for a revenge against someone who was his friend back then? |
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Posted on 20-05-2010 13:24
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For the same reason why he took a picture of the blood being carried on the motorcycle.
He knew he'd want out one day and he needed leverage.
Or, as Vaughters and Andreu put it, everyone hates Lance and wants out of that team. It's way too controlling. The only people who like Lance are the fans who have never met him.
Floyd knew he'd get out as soon as he got an offer. And when he got one, he made the mistake of telling the team he was leaving.
Armstrong raged, grabbed Floyd's blood bag and flushed it down the toilet.
EDIT: I should add that on various (at least three) different internet forums, southern california amateur racers have posted reactions along the lines of "yeah we've known this was going down for about a month now. Floyd isn't alone, wait and see"
Edited by issoisso on 20-05-2010 13:26
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Posted on 20-05-2010 13:31
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How much are the odds Armstrong, Bruyneel and their band will get away with it this time again ? |
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kumazan |
Posted on 20-05-2010 13:38
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Let's hope he actually did that picture and he leaks it, then.
Aquarius wrote:
How much are the odds Armstrong, Bruyneel and their band will get away with it this time again ?
Big, as always. Money is money is money. |
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Posted on 20-05-2010 14:09
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SportingNonsense wrote:
Posted by someone on the cyclingnews forum:
2002: I was instructed on how to use Testosterone patches by Johan Bruyneel
during the During the Dauphine Libere in June, after which I flew on a
helicopter with Mr Armstrong from the finish, I believe Grenoble, to San
Mauritz Switzerland at which point I was personally handed a box of 2.5 mg
patches in front of his wife who witnessed the exchange. About a week
later, Dr Ferrari performed an extraction of half a liter of blood to be
transfused back into me during the Tour de France. Mr Armstrong was not
witness to the extraction but he and I had lengthy discussions about it on
our training rides during which time he also explained to me the evolution
of EPO testing and how transfusions were now necessary due to the
inconvenience of the new test. He also divulged to me at that time that in
the first year that the EPO test was used he had been told by Mr Ferrari,
who had access to the new test, that he should not use EPO anymore but he
did not believe Mr Farrari and contin
ued to use it. He later, while winning the Tour de Swiss, the month before
the Tour de France, tested positive for EPO at which point he and Mr
Bruyneel flew to the UCI headquarters and made a financial agreement with
Mr. Vrubrugen to keep the positive test hidden.
2003: After a broken hip in the winter, I flew to Gerona Spain where this
time two units (half a liter each) were extracted three weeks apart. This
took place in the apartment in which Mr. Armstrong lived and in which I was
asked to stay and check the blood temperature every day. It was kept in a
small refrigerator in the closet allong with the blood of Mr Armstrong and
George Hincapie and since Mr. Armstrong was planning on being gone for a few
weeks to train he asked me to stay in his place and make sure the
electricity didn't turn off or something go wrong with the referigerator.
Then during the Tour de France the entire team, on two different occasions
went to the room that we were told and the doctor met us there to do the
transfusions. During that Tour de France I personally witnessed George
Hincapie, Lance Armstrong, Chechu Rubiera, and myself receiving blood
transfusions. Also during that Tour de France the team doctor would give my
room mate, George Hincapie an
d I a small syringe of olive oil in which was disolved andriol, a form of
ingestible testosterone on two out of three nights throughout the duration.
I was asked to ride the Vuelta a Espana that year in support of Roberto
Heras and in August, between the Tour and the Vuelta, was told to take EPO
to raise my hematocrit back up so more blood transfusions could be
performed. I was instructed to go to Lances place by Johan Bruyneel and get
some EPO from him. The first EPO I ever used was then handed to me in the
entry way to his building in full view of his then wife. It was Eprex by
brand and it came in six pre measured syringes. I used it intravenously for
several weeks before the next blood draw and had no problems with the tests
during the Vuelta. Also during this time it was explained to me how to use
Human Growth Hormone by Johan Bruyneel and I bought what I needed from Pepe
the team "trainer" who lived in Valencia along with the team doctor at that
time. While training for that Vuelta I spent a good deal of time training
with Matthew White and Michael Barry and shared the testosterone and EPO
that we had and discu
ssed the use thereof while training.
Again, during the Vuelta we were given Andriol and blood transfusions by the
team doctor and had no problems with any testing.
2004: Again the team performed two seperate blood transfusions on me, but
this time Bruyneel had become more paranoid and we did the draws by flying
to Belgium and meeting at an unknown persons appartment and the blood was
brought by "Duffy" who was at that time Johans assistant of sorts. The
second of which was performed on the team bus on the ride from the finish of
a stage to the hotel during which the driver pretended to have engine
trouble and stopped on a remote mountain road for an hour or so so the
entire team could have half a liter of blood added. This was the only time
that I ever saw the entire team being transfused in plain view of all the
other riders and bus driver. That team included Lance Armstrong, George
Hincapie and I as the only Americans.
2005: I had learned at this point how to do most of the transfusion
technicals and other things on my own so I hired Allen Lim as my assistant
to help with details and logistics. He helped Levi Leipheimer and I prepare
the transfusions for Levi and I and made sure they were kept at the proper
temperature. We both did two seperate transfusions that Tour however my
hematocrit was too low at the start so I did my first one a few days before
the start so as to not start with a deficit.
2006: Well you get the idea....... One thing of great signigicance is that
I sat down with Andy Riis and explained to him what was done in the past and
what was the risk I would be taking and ask for his permission which he
granted in the form of funds to complete the operation described. John
Lelangue was also informed by me and Andy Riis consulted with Jim Ochowitz
before agreeing.
There are many many more details that I have in diaries and am in the
process of writing into an intelligible story but since the position of USA
Cycling is that there have not been enough details shared to justify calling
USADA, I am writing as many as I can reasonably put into an email and share
with you so as to ascertain what is the process which USA Cycling uses to
proceed with such allegations.
Look forward to much more detail as soon as you can demonstrate that you can
be trusted to do the right thing.
Floyd Landis
nice one floyd all the shits coming out now |
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Posted on 20-05-2010 14:25
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Oh please let this be bye bye Pharmstrong |
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Aquarius |
Posted on 20-05-2010 14:29
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By the way, if some people were still thinking Ferrari is a trainer or something, you can once more see that he's a hematologist (blood specialist), not a trainer.
You've to wonder why Nibali, Evans, Vino, etc. all have or had him as their "trainer"...
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Posted on 20-05-2010 14:41
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Rihs comes forward with a statement: neither he nor the team directeurs knew of any kind of doping. when Landis entered the team he signed a contract that he wont use illegal practics. Everything Landis says are lies of a man who has gone down and see his last hopes for attention in this, this makes him very sad to see. He is feeling violated in his honor.
https://www.contra...;tx_ttnews[tt_news]=47&tx_ttnews[backPid]=13&cHash=51046d9957
Blablabla
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Posted on 20-05-2010 15:05
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Didn't Armstrong fight for Landis when he got stripped of the yellow jersey? I just don't see why out of all people he is the one who wants to destroy Armstrong?
Or am i out of the loop in the USA cycling drama? |
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Posted on 20-05-2010 15:27
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Too bad Floyd has very little credibility left. Those who want to ignore this have a very legit excuse in that. For casual cycling fans (especially Americans), it will be a popularity contest between Floyd and Lance. That won't be much of a contest. Sad, but true. Nothing will come of this after a little time. |
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Posted on 20-05-2010 15:32
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jack888 wrote:
Didn't Armstrong fight for Landis when he got stripped of the yellow jersey? I just don't see why out of all people he is the one who wants to destroy Armstrong?
Or am i out of the loop in the USA cycling drama?
I reckon it's because Floyd knows he doped, and he knows Armstrong doped, yet Armstrong is a national hero, while Floyd is a joke. This isn't fair and Floyd wants to fix the imbalance.
As far as my ideal result, I hope Armstrong gets away with it, mainly because despite it possibly being good for cycling, it will be bad for the fight against cancer, something I view as more important.
[url=www.pcmdaily.com/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=33182] Team Santander Media Thread[/url]
Please assume I am joking unless otherwise stated
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Posted on 20-05-2010 15:36
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BenBarnes wrote:
Too bad Floyd has very little credibility left. Those who want to ignore this have a very legit excuse in that. For casual cycling fans (especially Americans), it will be a popularity contest between Floyd and Lance. That won't be much of a contest. Sad, but true. Nothing will come of this after a little time.
Except that a couple of people with good inside knowledge (they were the first to leak the integral text of Floyd's letter today, for example), say the feds who investigated the BALCO affair are likely to pick this up soon.
And if they do, you can be damned sure everything is going to be out in the open sooner or later.
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Posted on 20-05-2010 16:04
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Thomas Frei
ARD, SD Journal and now The Wall Street Journal want speak about the Cycling System. After Floyd Landis Story....
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Posted on 20-05-2010 16:47
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issoisso wrote:
BenBarnes wrote:
Too bad Floyd has very little credibility left. Those who want to ignore this have a very legit excuse in that. For casual cycling fans (especially Americans), it will be a popularity contest between Floyd and Lance. That won't be much of a contest. Sad, but true. Nothing will come of this after a little time.
Except that a couple of people with good inside knowledge (they were the first to leak the integral text of Floyd's letter today, for example), say the feds who investigated the BALCO affair are likely to pick this up soon.
And if they do, you can be damned sure everything is going to be out in the open sooner or later.
Maybe. I hope. But Barry Bonds was a major American name and is still free. And Americans hate Barry Bonds. When Americans in general love Lance and he's 100% of their cycling knowledge--I just don't see a lot happening from this.
Especially if it's true (which I have no reason to doubt) that the UCI accepted money from Lance to cover up his doping! If the sport's governing body is on his side, Landis won't get to far with this. Hope I'm wrong. |
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Posted on 20-05-2010 16:54
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BenBarnes wrote:
issoisso wrote:
BenBarnes wrote:
Too bad Floyd has very little credibility left. Those who want to ignore this have a very legit excuse in that. For casual cycling fans (especially Americans), it will be a popularity contest between Floyd and Lance. That won't be much of a contest. Sad, but true. Nothing will come of this after a little time.
Except that a couple of people with good inside knowledge (they were the first to leak the integral text of Floyd's letter today, for example), say the feds who investigated the BALCO affair are likely to pick this up soon.
And if they do, you can be damned sure everything is going to be out in the open sooner or later.
Maybe. I hope. But Barry Bonds was a major American name and is still free. And Americans hate Barry Bonds. When Americans in general love Lance and he's 100% of their cycling knowledge--I just don't see a lot happening from this.
Especially if it's true (which I have no reason to doubt) that the UCI accepted money from Lance to cover up his doping! If the sport's governing body is on his side, Landis won't get to far with this. Hope I'm wrong.
Just to confirm that the UCI is indeed attempting to cover it up: McQuaid's reaction was to immediately throw the main witness under a bus
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Posted on 20-05-2010 16:57
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Well what way you look at it, Armstrong is good for cycling commercially wise. And his project of fighting cancer is actually more important then giving 5% of the Armstrong haters what they want?
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