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Posted on 18-07-2013 14:12
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Your point is good, and I certainly agree, though only partially. Why:
1) It assumes Froome is a top rider, while Kreuziger (for instance) isn't. But Froome was only an average domestique before he suffered his mutation in the 2011 Vuelta.
2) Nibali is a top rider, I think we can agree on that. But it didn't help him much last year, did it?
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Posted on 18-07-2013 14:20
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1) I think assuming Froome is a top rider is kind of fair at the moment. To have a hope of accepting Froome you have to assume that Sky are telling the truth about his backstory
2) My argument would be that Nibali is a step below where Gesink, Anton, Schleck promised to be. Until this Giro Nibali had never been a great climber.
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Posted on 18-07-2013 14:21
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mb2612 wrote:
2) My argument would be that Nibali is a step below where Gesink, Anton, Schleck promised to be. Until this Giro Nibali had never been a great climber.
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Posted on 18-07-2013 14:25
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mb2612 wrote:
2) My argument would be that Nibali is a step below where Gesink, Anton, Schleck promised to be. Until this Giro Nibali had never been a great climber.
Not a great climber... He won the Vuelta and 3rd in Giro 2010, 2nd in Giro 2011, 3rd in Tour last year!
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Posted on 18-07-2013 14:25
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CountArach wrote:
mb2612 wrote:
2) My argument would be that Nibali is a step below where Gesink, Anton, Schleck promised to be. Until this Giro Nibali had never been a great climber.
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The day he got dropped by someone who had never previously won a GT Mountain stage?
I was backing Nibali all the way in 2010, but that's not anywhere near as good as his climbing in the Giro this year.
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Posted on 18-07-2013 14:29
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mb2612 wrote:
CountArach wrote:
mb2612 wrote:
2) My argument would be that Nibali is a step below where Gesink, Anton, Schleck promised to be. Until this Giro Nibali had never been a great climber.
https://www.cqrank...ceid=19361
The day he got dropped by someone who had never previously won a GT Mountain stage?
He was dropped but Nibali rode cleverly enough to ride his own pace and then IIRC he let him have the win. Also Mosquera was a great climber before then (and we now know why...) so is a perfectly strong comparison.
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Posted on 18-07-2013 14:35
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I remember the stage, I don't think Nibali quite had time to catch mosquera.
But my point is that Nibali has looked significantly better this year than he was previously, arguably for the same reason as Froome has looked so good.
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Posted on 18-07-2013 14:38
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mb2612 wrote:
I remember the stage, I don't think Nibali quite had time to catch mosquera.
But my point is that Nibali has looked significantly better this year than he was previously, arguably for the same reason as Froome has looked so good.
Oh yeah don't get me wrong, with the ferrari connections I would be surprised if he is clean. But at the same time I think he does have more natural talent than Froome and this sort of climbing proves it (even if he wasn't clean then either, it isn't as huge a leap to where he is now).
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Posted on 18-07-2013 15:38
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CountArach wrote:
mb2612 wrote:
I remember the stage, I don't think Nibali quite had time to catch mosquera.
But my point is that Nibali has looked significantly better this year than he was previously, arguably for the same reason as Froome has looked so good.
Oh yeah don't get me wrong, with the ferrari connections I would be surprised if he is clean. But at the same time I think he does have more natural talent than Froome and this sort of climbing proves it (even if he wasn't clean then either, it isn't as huge a leap to where he is now).
Natural talent? Its cycling. Talent is pretty much irrelevant, its all genetic makeup and mental strength. |
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Posted on 18-07-2013 16:35
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They cheat the rules on the final climb even when they have an advantage of many minutes on GC.
But no, they'd never do drugs. They're too ethical to cheat....oh wait 
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Posted on 18-07-2013 16:37
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BritPCMFan wrote:
CountArach wrote:
mb2612 wrote:
I remember the stage, I don't think Nibali quite had time to catch mosquera.
But my point is that Nibali has looked significantly better this year than he was previously, arguably for the same reason as Froome has looked so good.
Oh yeah don't get me wrong, with the ferrari connections I would be surprised if he is clean. But at the same time I think he does have more natural talent than Froome and this sort of climbing proves it (even if he wasn't clean then either, it isn't as huge a leap to where he is now).
Natural talent? Its cycling. Talent is pretty much irrelevant, its all genetic makeup and mental strength.
and drugs, lots and lots of drugs |
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Posted on 18-07-2013 16:40
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issoisso wrote:
They cheat the rules on the final climb even when they have an advantage of many minutes on GC.
But no, they'd never do drugs. They're too ethical to cheat....oh wait
What's the rationale behind the rule? |
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Posted on 18-07-2013 16:42
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wackojackohighcliffe wrote:
issoisso wrote:
They cheat the rules on the final climb even when they have an advantage of many minutes on GC.
But no, they'd never do drugs. They're too ethical to cheat....oh wait
What's the rationale behind the rule?
Two reasons:
- To vary the races tactically so people will have to plan when to feed
- So cyclists don't hang on to team cars to 'get a feed' close to the finish.
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Posted on 18-07-2013 16:44
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How many people here are actually cycling fans or cyclists themselves? You accuse every cyclist who has achieved anything of doping and not because they have worked hard and trained! |
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Posted on 18-07-2013 16:47
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IncredibleIan wrote:
How many people here are actually cycling fans or cyclists themselves? You accuse every cyclist who has achieved anything of doping and not because they have worked hard and trained!
Sky cheated today.
You support cheaters and that is an undeniable fact. How does that feel?
As for your ridiculous comment that we accuse 'every cyclist who has achieved anything of doping', Riblon just won on the Alpe d'Huez....who accused him? Oh right, you're simply lying as usual
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Posted on 18-07-2013 16:50
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issoisso wrote:
wackojackohighcliffe wrote:
issoisso wrote:
They cheat the rules on the final climb even when they have an advantage of many minutes on GC.
But no, they'd never do drugs. They're too ethical to cheat....oh wait
What's the rationale behind the rule?
Two reasons:
- To vary the races tactically so people will have to plan when to feed
- So cyclists don't hang on to team cars to 'get a feed' close to the finish.
Lol. You wish.
Its entirely for safety. They don't want riders calling up cars in the last km's because its dangerous to have a car overtaking a group who are fighting in the last kilometres. Cars will fight with riders for space, it would be horrible. Especially in the sprint stages where this will all happen at 50km+ an hour.
Its nothing to do with tactical feeding otherwise they should just make you start the day with what you will use and nothing more.
What happened here is the sky car was already just behind the group, so Porte merely dropped back. Technically a breech of the rule, but putting no-one in danger. |
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Posted on 18-07-2013 16:50
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IncredibleIan wrote:
How many people here are actually cycling fans or cyclists themselves? You accuse every cyclist who has achieved anything of doping and not because they have worked hard and trained!
I don't ride professionally, but I do ride and participate in races. I am also "a fan", even though I find it hard having to prove my "fandom" to your particular moral standards.
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Posted on 18-07-2013 16:56
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BritPCMFan wrote:
issoisso wrote:
wackojackohighcliffe wrote:
issoisso wrote:
They cheat the rules on the final climb even when they have an advantage of many minutes on GC.
But no, they'd never do drugs. They're too ethical to cheat....oh wait
What's the rationale behind the rule?
Two reasons:
- To vary the races tactically so people will have to plan when to feed
- So cyclists don't hang on to team cars to 'get a feed' close to the finish.
Lol. You wish.
Its entirely for safety. They don't want riders calling up cars in the last km's because its dangerous to have a car overtaking a group who are fighting in the last kilometres. Cars will fight with riders for space, it would be horrible. Especially in the sprint stages where this will all happen at 50km+ an hour.
Its nothing to do with tactical feeding otherwise they should just make you start the day with what you will use and nothing more.
What happened here is the sky car was already just behind the group, so Porte merely dropped back. Technically a breech of the rule, but putting no-one in danger.
Try knowing the facts for once.
The rule was proposed in 1991 after Bruno Leali won a stage of the Midi Libre by spending most of the last 20kms hanging on to bottles from the team car...while the DS was holding on from the other side of course, so that he wouldn't have to pedal.
It was voted in favour of for the two reasons I posted.
But have fun in your fantasy world.
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| CountArach |
Posted on 18-07-2013 16:58
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IncredibleIan wrote:
How many people here are actually cycling fans or cyclists themselves? You accuse every cyclist who has achieved anything of doping and not because they have worked hard and trained!
I'm doing this because I'm a fan. I want a clean sport where the best rider wins, not the one with the best doping program. Critical thought and discussion of riders and teams shows a much greater dedication to the idea of a clean sport than blindly hoping/assuming that everyone is clean.
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Posted on 18-07-2013 17:03
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Just to interject here Froome reports that the Sky team car had a mechanical issues before the bottom of the final climb hence why the riders couldn't get any food from the car. Yes it is illegal and he has paid a 20 second penalty for, what if he says is true, was a situation where he was a bit unlucky. To clarify in my opinion the penalty is justified
Also it isn't unheard for riders to get bottles etc after the cut off so those that are saying it is the same level of immoral as doping you are clearly way of the mark. A ridiculous comparison to be frank |
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