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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 21-05-2009 19:45
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mrlol wrote:
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Di Luca's team isn't too good either. Also Menchov didn't have a great team in Vuelta 2007 and still won it, pretty much dominating.
You cant compare this Giro and that Vuelta though. Now there's Di Luca and Leipheimer both very much willing to win this race. Not to mention the attacks that can come from Sastre, Pellizotti, Basso...
In that Vuelta the competition wasnt as strong, mostly coming tired out of the Tour, where Menchov had an 'easy' Tour with the Rasmussen incident.
yeah that's true, but it could be also be helped by the other teams, for example if Sastre or Basso will go away Astana could follow them to get Leipheier back or Liquigas if Basso or Pellizotti aren't there.
But I guess we will see Kozontchuk and Tjallingii in the first climbs of a mountain day and then Ardila, with Ten Dam on the final climb.
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| Macquet |
Posted on 21-05-2009 19:51
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Ruben wrote:
The fact alone that he beat Leipheimer in Leipheimers major speciality says enough about this Giro really.
There is almost no chance of Leipheimer winning now. I only see Di Luca as a threat
I would think that it is very possible that Astana will do what CSC did in the Tour last year and ride at a pace that forces Menchov and Di Luca's teamates to blow up. Can Levi take advantage of the stronger team, we shall see, but to say he has almost no chance is a little extreme. |
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| Rinhoth |
Posted on 21-05-2009 20:02
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What CSC did at the Alpe d'Huez stage was amazing though. Astana might be able to do it, but unfortunately, none of their helpers have gone long enough in the front group in the mountain stages we've had so far. I actually think Liquigas has the strongest and most motivated team, and they have probably worked more on the giro than the rival teams, except maybe for LPR, who are just too weak behind Di Luca.
If children have the ability to ignore all odds and percentages, then maybe we can all learn from them. When you think about it, what other choice is there but to hope? We have two options, medically and emotionally: give up, or Fight Like Hell.
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| viking90 |
Posted on 21-05-2009 20:14
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Lövkvist did half good to day, he was top 30 at least.
But he still expand the lead to Seeldrayers in the young rider jersey. Now he leads over Kevin with 4.42 mins.
Good race of Kessiakoff  to bad i missed the hole stage, great to see Menchov in pink |
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| ruben |
Posted on 21-05-2009 20:17
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Ildabaoth wrote:
alexkr00 wrote:
Di Luca's team isn't too good either. Also Menchov didn't have a great team in Vuelta 2007 and still won it, pretty much dominating.
I'm not saying he won't win. Actually, I want him to win. But the thing is, it is too early to say x rider will win the giro. Not with a 40 seconds gap, not with the real mountains remaining.
The thing is, Menchov took the time in the TT on the climbs... in total almost 50 seconds on Leipheimer on the purely uphill parts, and far more on the rest.
On the Alpe di Siusi, he said the pace wasn't hard and he outsprinted Di Luca.
I dunno, but I think Menchov is the best climber in the Giro, on the long climbs.
Yes, I know you want to refer to the Bergamo stage, but that was perfectly suited to Di Luca, short explosive climbs.
But, and this is a big one, Menchov usually does have an off-day, AND he tends to get worse near the end of a grand tour. So nothing has been said yet. However, at the moment, I think he is the best climber in the Giro. |
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| ponka00 |
Posted on 21-05-2009 20:18
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viking90 wrote:
Lövkvist did half good to day, he was top 30 at least.
But he still expand the lead to Seeldrayers in the young rider jersey. Now he leads over Kevin with 4.42 mins.
Good race of Kessiakoff to bad i missed the hole stage, great to see Menchov in pink
Lovkvist was beaten by Boasson Hagen... And Hagen has catched a cold  |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 21-05-2009 20:27
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Rinhoth wrote:
What CSC did at the Alpe d'Huez stage was amazing though. Astana might be able to do it, but unfortunately, none of their helpers have gone long enough in the front group in the mountain stages we've had so far. I actually think Liquigas has the strongest and most motivated team, and they have probably worked more on the giro than the rival teams, except maybe for LPR, who are just too weak behind Di Luca.
They've been saying since the start of the giro that they're getting dropped on purpose to be rested for the third week.
Sastre's teammates have been doing the same.
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| Rinhoth |
Posted on 21-05-2009 20:32
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Hmmmm, seems a bit weird that Horner stayed in the front all the time then, until he fell and abandoned.
If children have the ability to ignore all odds and percentages, then maybe we can all learn from them. When you think about it, what other choice is there but to hope? We have two options, medically and emotionally: give up, or Fight Like Hell.
-Lance Armstrong
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 21-05-2009 20:37
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sadly missed the big rides but well done menchov and glad to see that the tt built for lance still didn't help him that much
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| issoisso |
Posted on 21-05-2009 20:43
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Rinhoth wrote:
Hmmmm, seems a bit weird that Horner stayed in the front all the time then, until he fell and abandoned.
Each team designated one guy to stick with the leader through these stages so far: Horner and Gusov.
And of course Armstrong was instructed to go as fast as he could.
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 21-05-2009 20:43
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Ruben wrote:
Ildabaoth wrote:
alexkr00 wrote:
Di Luca's team isn't too good either. Also Menchov didn't have a great team in Vuelta 2007 and still won it, pretty much dominating.
I'm not saying he won't win. Actually, I want him to win. But the thing is, it is too early to say x rider will win the giro. Not with a 40 seconds gap, not with the real mountains remaining.
The thing is, Menchov took the time in the TT on the climbs... in total almost 50 seconds on Leipheimer on the purely uphill parts, and far more on the rest.
On the Alpe di Siusi, he said the pace wasn't hard and he outsprinted Di Luca.
I dunno, but I think Menchov is the best climber in the Giro, on the long climbs.
Yes, I know you want to refer to the Bergamo stage, but that was perfectly suited to Di Luca, short explosive climbs.
But, and this is a big one, Menchov usually does have an off-day, AND he tends to get worse near the end of a grand tour. So nothing has been said yet. However, at the moment, I think he is the best climber in the Giro.
yeah he looks like the best climber, but we still didn't see Basso or Sastre making any move. The good thing is that be took time over Leipheimer were everyone was expecting to see Levi winning massive time over everyone.
But I think the Giro wasn't too hard untill today and he could have a good last week, to be in pink in Rome.
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| Andrew |
Posted on 21-05-2009 20:59
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I think that is to early to say who have the greatest chances of winning, since there is still some big mountain stages left, and with only small time gabs between the contenders is very open, so lets wait and be happy because it close, and not so boring  |
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| KurtinSC |
Posted on 21-05-2009 21:19
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Question for the experts on the board.
Lance is sitting in 12th place right now. If he can slide into the top 10 by the end of the race, and finish 8-10 minutes back of the leaders... how would you judge his Giro... given him being a bit short of race days and having the broken collar bone before the race.
How about if he finished 11th-15th instead of just inside the top 10? |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 21-05-2009 21:27
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Irrespective of what he does in the next week, he's right on track to be a Tour contender.
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| Ste117 |
Posted on 21-05-2009 21:38
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Giro organisers are a joke they have ruined it for everyone. Unsafe Milano show, Unsafe decents. they only changed stage 10 2 weeks before the it started. I think the organisers havent properly planned the giro like any other grnd tour organisers would. If it was the Tour de France anythink like risk of landslides liek there was with origional stage 10 they would have sorted out a good 3 months before the race started not 2 weeks. Im sorry even though it has been some good racing in the Giro the organisers cant be credited. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 21-05-2009 21:40
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Ste117 wrote:
Giro organisers are a joke they have ruined it for everyone. Unsafe Milano show, Unsafe decents. they only changed stage 10 2 weeks before the it started. I think the organisers havent properly planned the giro like any other grnd tour organisers would. If it was the Tour de France anythink like risk of landslides liek there was with origional stage 10 they would have sorted out a good 3 months before the race started not 2 weeks. Im sorry even though it has been some good racing in the Giro the organisers cant be credited.
Aside from me disagreeing with all of the above, I'd just like to mention that the "this wouldn't happen at the Tour" bit.........that exact situation happened at the Tour as recently as last year.
Edited by issoisso on 21-05-2009 21:42
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| Ste117 |
Posted on 21-05-2009 21:43
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When it didnt make the news well i didnt hear about it. i just think more could of been done for the milano show so the riders would of agreed to race on stage 9. |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 21-05-2009 21:47
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Ste117 wrote:
When it didnt make the news well i didnt hear about it.
For the love of god, please use punctuation. Like this:
"When? It didn't make the news. Well, I didn't hear about it."
Stage 15 to Prato Nevoso had to be re-routed and made significantly longer due to rocks falling on the Colle d'Agnello.
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i just think more could of been done for the milano show so the riders would of agreed to race on stage 9.
The riders were at fault. They didn't say anything or mention anything for 5 and a half months, from the announcement of the route until the race started.
Then one lap into the circuit they go around saying they won't race.
If have an objection to something, you do it BEFORE the event starts. Not midway through it.
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| Il Grillo |
Posted on 21-05-2009 22:01
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Ste117 wrote:
Giro organisers are a joke they have ruined it for everyone. Unsafe Milano show, Unsafe decents. they only changed stage 10 2 weeks before the it started. I think the organisers havent properly planned the giro like any other grnd tour organisers would. If it was the Tour de France anythink like risk of landslides liek there was with origional stage 10 they would have sorted out a good 3 months before the race started not 2 weeks. Im sorry even though it has been some good racing in the Giro the organisers cant be credited.
I guess you have never watched the giro before nor have you been to Italy. Nor do you know anything of Giro history so you dont understand many stages of this years Giro.
The Giro never wanted to be the Tour always was different (and thats one of many reasons why its more popular then the vuelta, where they are basically riding on 4-lane-highways for hours in the desert). The italian landscape and the italian cities are different from french landscape and cities. Thats a fact and you cant do every stage in the Po-flat. |
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 21-05-2009 22:12
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still can't pick the winner..
btw..Giro general profile sucks..
Last week has so much to do..to get this race real Giro look..I'm talking about climbing. |
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