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| Ashton89 |
Posted on 01-06-2008 12:41
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soda wrote:
Imo andy has Frank hasn't, he comes a bit short in the big mountains, but ya can never be sure just look at Sella in this Giro
I don't know whether I agree with you in "He comes a bit short in the big mountains".. Because he won the Alpe d'huez-stage of TdF.. But he' just too inconsistent.. Like one day he'll ride with the best climbers, the next he'll lose 5 minuts.. That's his problem !  |
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soda wrote:
Ashton89 wrote:
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i don't think that fränk has what it takes to win tdf
I think he does and Andy too..
But why don't you think he can win TdF ?  Imo andy has Frank hasn't, he comes a bit short in the big mountains, but ya can never be sure just look at Sella in this Giro
agreed . the only difference between sella and schleck is that sella is completly doped and frânk to my judgement isn'tB)
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Posted on 01-06-2008 12:48
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Ashton89 wrote:
soda wrote:
Imo andy has Frank hasn't, he comes a bit short in the big mountains, but ya can never be sure just look at Sella in this Giro
I don't know whether I agree with you in "He comes a bit short in the big mountains".. Because he won the Alpe d'huez-stage of TdF.. But he' just too inconsistent.. Like one day he'll ride with the best climbers, the next he'll lose 5 minuts.. That's his problem !
he won on l'aple d'heuz because of a breakaway
so that doesn't count
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| Fjogh |
Posted on 01-06-2008 12:50
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Frank was fantastic in the first mountain stage of tour de suisse last year. I thought he would be one of the top climbers in the tdf a month after. But I was wrong Next day, Frank rides like crap, and losses all the tour de suisse, and he continued in tdf |
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Posted on 01-06-2008 12:53
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Stijn_vranken wrote:
Ashton89 wrote:
soda wrote:
Imo andy has Frank hasn't, he comes a bit short in the big mountains, but ya can never be sure just look at Sella in this Giro
I don't know whether I agree with you in "He comes a bit short in the big mountains".. Because he won the Alpe d'huez-stage of TdF.. But he' just too inconsistent.. Like one day he'll ride with the best climbers, the next he'll lose 5 minuts.. That's his problem !
he won on l'aple d'heuz because of a breakaway
so that doesn't count
Not really, but he was beating a cunego in good shape
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| Ashton89 |
Posted on 01-06-2008 12:54
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Stijn_vranken wrote:
he won on l'aple d'heuz because of a breakaway
so that doesn't count
Haha you have a point there .. But if you can win on alpe d'huez you can ride on the big mountains .. But consistency is a KEY-word if you wanna win TdF .. And Fränk Schleck lacks that ... A problem yes.
Well we don't know that Sella is on dope .. But his results in the giro gives one some doubts.. But in my world you're innocent until proven guilty ..  |
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| Stijn_vranken |
Posted on 01-06-2008 12:57
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Ashton89 wrote:
Stijn_vranken wrote:
he won on l'aple d'heuz because of a breakaway
so that doesn't count
Well we don't know that Sella is on dope .. But his results in the giro gives one some doubts.. But in my world you're innocent until proven guilty ..
well landis hasn't been proven guilty ( in court i mean)
rasmussen neither ( he was never caught, he used epo that was allowed (strange to say this))
vinokourov hasn't been proven guilty in court.
so in some way they are all innocentB)
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| Ashton89 |
Posted on 01-06-2008 12:59
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Stijn_vranken wrote:
well landis hasn't been proven guilty ( in court i mean)
rasmussen neither ( he was never caught, he used epo that was allowed (strange to say this))
vinokourov hasn't been proven guilty in court.
so in some way they are all innocentB)
Just one MAJOR difference .. There are some evidence (test results and so on) against Landis, Rasmussen and Vino ..
There isn't any evidence against sella yet .. that's a huge difference in my world.. |
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Posted on 01-06-2008 12:59
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Ashton89 wrote:
Stijn_vranken wrote:
he won on l'aple d'heuz because of a breakaway
so that doesn't count
But if you can win on alpe d'huez you can ride on the big mountains
Does that also count on mount ventoux? Do I have to say Eros Poli 
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| Stijn_vranken |
Posted on 01-06-2008 13:04
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Ashton89 wrote:
Stijn_vranken wrote:
well landis hasn't been proven guilty ( in court i mean)
rasmussen neither ( he was never caught, he used epo that was allowed (strange to say this))
vinokourov hasn't been proven guilty in court.
so in some way they are all innocentB)
Just one MAJOR difference .. There are some evidence (test results and so on) against Landis, Rasmussen and Vino ..
There isn't any evidence against sella yet .. that's a huge difference in my world..
the test that proved that landis got doped got released 2 weeks after the tdf ended.
so there is no garanteeB)
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| Stijn_vranken |
Posted on 01-06-2008 13:04
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Fjogh wrote:
Ashton89 wrote:
Stijn_vranken wrote:
he won on l'aple d'heuz because of a breakaway
so that doesn't count
But if you can win on alpe d'huez you can ride on the big mountains
Does that also count on mount ventoux? Do I have to say Eros Poli
there is a huge difference in size between the ventoux and l'alpe d'heuz
Edited by Stijn_vranken on 01-06-2008 13:05
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| Smoothie |
Posted on 01-06-2008 13:06
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Are there any decent shots of the crash at the finish yesterday? |
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 01-06-2008 13:07
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Dekker has team leader at the moment..would be quite ok. Around top 6 rider.
Andy?...same thing.
You all dont count Valverde in..has my Bruseghin project is almost over.I soon anounce my TdF protegee.. |
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| Stijn_vranken |
Posted on 01-06-2008 13:19
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Smoothie wrote:
Are there any decent shots of the crash at the finish yesterday?
VandenBroeck looked quite pissed in the direction of pozzovivo. nice
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| issoisso |
Posted on 01-06-2008 13:37
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Stijn_vranken wrote:
there is a huge difference in size between the ventoux and l'alpe d'heuz
yes there is. the Ventoux is twice as hard.
Schleck has no recovery. he can keep the pace on one mountain stage, and that's it. it makes him a good classics rider. But he'll never be a contender (I'm talking about Frank). He won on the Alpe, but only because he was in a breakaway. he climbed it a few minutes slower than the peloton
And the Eros Poli example is dead on: just because you get over the climb first does not mean you're a great climber.
for those who don't know the Eros Poli story, this is taken from the excellent Torelli's history of the TDF:
The Tour headed towards the Alps. On the way, there was stage 15, 231 kilometers from Montpellier to Carpentras with Mont Ventoux in the way. Early in the day the biggest man in the peloton, Eros Poli, took off. I clearly remember seeing this stage on TV. Back then, the weekend network coverage was spotty, spending infuriating amounts of time explaining the basics of bicycle racing and other needless garbage. But this stage and this adventure they covered.
The big man pedaled away from a completely indifferent peloton. Before he reached Mont Ventoux he had a lead of nearly half an hour. He couldn't get that big a lead without drawing down his stores of energy. The climb up Mont Ventoux seemed to be almost beyond him. Exhausted, he could barely turn over the cranks, looking terribly overgeared. He cleared the summit with several minutes in hand and sped down the other side. His big mass may have slowed him to a near standstill going up the hill, but going down, being big came in good stead. He won the stage 3 minutes, 39 seconds ahead of the first chasers. The contenders, Indurain, Pantani, Ugrumov, Virenque, and others came in together 4 minutes later. While Poli's ride was epic, nothing changed in the General Classification. |
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| wackojackohighcliffe |
Posted on 01-06-2008 13:45
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issoisso wrote:
Stijn_vranken wrote:
there is a huge difference in size between the ventoux and l'alpe d'heuz
yes there is. the Ventoux is twice as hard.
Agreed
But it's flat beforehand - Galibier and Croix de Fer often in run up to the Alpe
issoisso wrote:
And the Eros Poli example is dead on: just because you get over the climb first does not mean you're a great climber.
for those who don't know the Eros Poli story, this is taken from the excellent Torelli's history of the TDF:
The Tour headed towards the Alps. On the way, there was stage 15, 231 kilometers from Montpellier to Carpentras with Mont Ventoux in the way. Early in the day the biggest man in the peloton, Eros Poli, took off. I clearly remember seeing this stage on TV. Back then, the weekend network coverage was spotty, spending infuriating amounts of time explaining the basics of bicycle racing and other needless garbage. But this stage and this adventure they covered.
The big man pedaled away from a completely indifferent peloton. Before he reached Mont Ventoux he had a lead of nearly half an hour. He couldn't get that big a lead without drawing down his stores of energy. The climb up Mont Ventoux seemed to be almost beyond him. Exhausted, he could barely turn over the cranks, looking terribly overgeared. He cleared the summit with several minutes in hand and sped down the other side. His big mass may have slowed him to a near standstill going up the hill, but going down, being big came in good stead. He won the stage 3 minutes, 39 seconds ahead of the first chasers. The contenders, Indurain, Pantani, Ugrumov, Virenque, and others came in together 4 minutes later. While Poli's ride was epic, nothing changed in the General Classification.
i remember reading about that - real nice guy
Edited by wackojackohighcliffe on 01-06-2008 13:45
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| Stijn_vranken |
Posted on 01-06-2008 13:46
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wackojackohighcliffe wrote:
issoisso wrote:
Stijn_vranken wrote:
there is a huge difference in size between the ventoux and l'alpe d'heuz
yes there is. the Ventoux is twice as hard.
Agreed
But it's flat beforehand - Galibier and Croix de Fer often in run up to the Alpe
i remember reading about that - real nice guy
we are looking at the climbs and not the stages , although you have a point B)
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| issoisso |
Posted on 01-06-2008 13:48
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wackojackohighcliffe wrote:
issoisso wrote:
Stijn_vranken wrote:
there is a huge difference in size between the ventoux and l'alpe d'heuz
yes there is. the Ventoux is twice as hard.
Agreed
But it's flat beforehand - Galibier and Croix de Fer often in run up to the Alpe
so that should benefit the classics riders with their higher stamina instead of a pure climber
With just one single climb, it's basically a climbing race
And for once, I'd love to see a finish on the Granon. The Alpe is boring, it's used 2 out of 3 years approximately.
Edited by issoisso on 01-06-2008 13:53
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Posted on 01-06-2008 13:52
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Posted on 01-06-2008 13:56
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