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| Juan |
Posted on 21-06-2009 16:19
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| ponka00 |
Posted on 21-06-2009 16:21
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This is crazy! He just blew past him  |
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| Rinhoth |
Posted on 21-06-2009 16:23
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Best timetrialler in the world... Noone even close to Cancellara when he is in form!
If children have the ability to ignore all odds and percentages, then maybe we can all learn from them. When you think about it, what other choice is there but to hope? We have two options, medically and emotionally: give up, or Fight Like Hell.
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| ponka00 |
Posted on 21-06-2009 16:24
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Is Kreuziger even allowed to ride that close? |
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| ponka00 |
Posted on 21-06-2009 16:29
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Valjavec 
Forgot about him... |
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| ruben |
Posted on 21-06-2009 16:31
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1 61 Fabian CANCELLARA SAX 00:45:59.070
2 47 Tony MARTIN THR 00:01:27
3 84 Thomas DEKKER SIL 00:01:42
4 43 Marcus BURGHARDT THR 00:01:43
5 32 Sylvain CHAVANEL QST 00:01:48
6 127 Cameron MEYER GRM 00:01:50
7 1 Roman KREUZIGER LIQ 00:02:00
8 7 Brian VANDBORG BACH LIQ 00:02:02
9 71 Andreas KLODEN AST 00:02:09
10 15 Thor HUSHOVD CTT 00:02:14
Well. Thomas is at least again a top time triallist. So everyone who edited his TT stats can now fuck off and crawl away in a corner.
Now he just needs to learn to climb again  |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 21-06-2009 16:31
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What a crazy ride by Cancellara. Above 50 km/h/average |
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| Juan |
Posted on 21-06-2009 16:34
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Impressive Cancellara.
But that's crazy. How can you climb that well, and TT that well also 
Really crazy.
OK, the moutains weren't hard, but that wasn't hills after all.
But I think, without his team's strength, it wouldn't have been the same |
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| niconico |
Posted on 21-06-2009 16:35
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Good ride by Vandborg, finally he is starting to show his potential again. I really hope he's going to Le Tour.
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| ponka00 |
Posted on 21-06-2009 16:35
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Juan wrote:
Impressive Cancellara.
But that's crazy. How can you climb that well, and TT that well also
Really crazy.
OK, the moutains weren't hard, but that wasn't hills after all.
But I think, without his team's strength, it wouldn't have been the same
Tony Martin was second... He isn't really a class climber either. Tour de Suisse has been wierd this year. |
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| p3druh |
Posted on 21-06-2009 16:37
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Ruben wrote:Well. Thomas is at least again a top time triallist. So everyone who edited his TT stats can now fuck off and crawl away in a corner.
Now he just needs to learn to climb again
He gained 6 seconds on Chavanel who's hardly a Top TTer. And 1 second on Burghardt.
I mean, I actually like T. Dekker but I really think you are (once more) over hyping the result.
Not to mention the abrasive attitude. But I guess that's something you'll never lose and that we'll have to learn to live with it.
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| Juan |
Posted on 21-06-2009 16:37
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ponka00 wrote:
Juan wrote:
Impressive Cancellara.
But that's crazy. How can you climb that well, and TT that well also
Really crazy.
OK, the moutains weren't hard, but that wasn't hills after all.
But I think, without his team's strength, it wouldn't have been the same
Tony Martin was second... He isn't really a class climber either. Tour de Suisse has been wierd this year.
Tony Martin is so well physically giften that he can climb very well, and can still improve if he wants.
Think it's the same for Cancellara. |
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Posted on 21-06-2009 16:39
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p3druh wrote:
Ruben wrote:Well. Thomas is at least again a top time triallist. So everyone who edited his TT stats can now fuck off and crawl away in a corner.
Now he just needs to learn to climb again
He gained 6 seconds on Chavanel who's hardly a Top TTer. And 1 second on Burghardt.
I mean, I actually like T. Dekker but I really think you are (once more) over hyping the result.
Not to mention the abrasive attitude. But I guess that's something you'll never lose and that we'll have to learn to live with it. That's because the wind turned..
The early starters had a major advantage. The ones who started in Dekkers group (Hincapie etc) all lost time to him.
And form the riders after that, only Martin and Cancellara gained time. So, you have made...no point 
He had 30 seconds on Chavanel at the 2nd intermediate at 30km btw. But in the last 8km, the wind turned in comparison to the group where Chavanel started. Everybody bar Cancellara and Martin lost time to Chavanel/Burghardt there....
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| ponka00 |
Posted on 21-06-2009 16:40
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Juan wrote:
ponka00 wrote:
Juan wrote:
Impressive Cancellara.
But that's crazy. How can you climb that well, and TT that well also
Really crazy.
OK, the moutains weren't hard, but that wasn't hills after all.
But I think, without his team's strength, it wouldn't have been the same
Tony Martin was second... He isn't really a class climber either. Tour de Suisse has been wierd this year.
Tony Martin is so well physically giften that he can climb very well, and can still improve if he wants.
Think it's the same for Cancellara.
Cancellara is too heavy for the big mountains, but he rides smaller hills really well. |
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| ruben |
Posted on 21-06-2009 16:41
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Ruben wrote:
p3druh wrote:
Ruben wrote:Well. Thomas is at least again a top time triallist. So everyone who edited his TT stats can now fuck off and crawl away in a corner.
Now he just needs to learn to climb again
He gained 6 seconds on Chavanel who's hardly a Top TTer. And 1 second on Burghardt.
I mean, I actually like T. Dekker but I really think you are (once more) over hyping the result.
Not to mention the abrasive attitude. But I guess that's something you'll never lose and that we'll have to learn to live with it. That's because the wind turned..
The early starters had a major advantage. The ones who started in Dekkers group (Hincapie etc) all lost time to him.
And form the riders after that, only Martin and Cancellara gained time. So, you have made...no point
He had 30 seconds on Chavanel at the 2nd intermediate at 30km btw. But in the last 8km, the wind turned in comparison to the group where Chavanel started. Everybody bar Cancellara and Martin lost time to Chavanel/Burghardt there.... Plus calling Chavanel not a really a time trialler is not really a sign of you knowing much about Chavanel. |
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Posted on 21-06-2009 16:41
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But it was quite long climbs there, not hard, but long |
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| p3druh |
Posted on 21-06-2009 16:49
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Ruben wrote:Plus calling Chavanel not a really a time trialler is not really a sign of you knowing much about Chavanel.
I was wondering how long it would take for you to twist my words.
In the kind of language you understand: Stop looking at the hundred photos of T. Dekker, learn to read, read what I said about Chavanel and then come back.
When did I say he wasn't a TTer? I just said he isn't a Top TTer and you have now stated many times that T.Dekker is a great TTer. T. Dekker beat Chavanel by 6 seconds. So, for you, the difference between a great TTer and a normal one is about 6 seconds. Ok, you're the all-knowing one here, so I guess it has to be the truth.
About the wind, I won't say anything about it until I see the full results. But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt even though you are the most biased guy I've ever seen.
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| Juan |
Posted on 21-06-2009 16:56
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p3druh wrote:
Ruben wrote:Plus calling Chavanel not a really a time trialler is not really a sign of you knowing much about Chavanel.
I was wondering how long it would take for you to twist my words.
In the kind of language you understand: Stop looking at the hundred photos of T. Dekker, learn to read, read what I said about Chavanel and then come back.
When did I say he wasn't a TTer? I just said he isn't a Top TTer and you have now stated many times that T.Dekker is a great TTer. T. Dekker beat Chavanel by 6 seconds. So, for you, the difference between a great TTer and a normal one is about 6 seconds. Ok, you're the all-knowing one here, so I guess it has to be the truth.
About the wind, I won't say anything about it until I see the full results. But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt even though you are the most biased guy I've ever seen.
Did you watch Vuelta last year ?
On a 50 km TT, Chavanel was only 12" behind Leipheimer, and 2nd of the stage.
Chavanel on form is a top TTer, please. |
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| p3druh |
Posted on 21-06-2009 17:08
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Juan wrote:Did you watch Vuelta last year ?
On a 50 km TT, Chavanel was only 12" behind Leipheimer, and 2nd of the stage.
Chavanel on form is a top TTer, please.
Yes, I watched it. And the TT was 40km long, not 50.
Don't get me wrong, Chavanel is a way above average TTer but he is not the best nor even close to it. And for me, a requirement for being a Top TTer is to be in contention in every TTer you enter (form excluded of course). And Chavanel is not.
Especially now. He said a couple of weeks ago that he was still tired from the first part of the season and that he is still recovering his form.
He's had good results in TTs but he's not a great TTer in my opinion.
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| ruben |
Posted on 21-06-2009 18:46
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And what about Klöden, Kreuziger, Kirchen (who won a Tour TT if you remove Schumacher from the results), Karpets? Are they not top TT-ers?
Even Tony Martin, who has shown this and last year he already belongs to the top TT-ers, in the form of his life, only beats Dekker by about 15 seconds.
Dekker is not completely back, but he is still world class on longer time trials (30km+). |
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