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| kadel |
Posted on 15-05-2009 12:28
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Is it true they matched his DNA? Then it is definitely a waterproof case but I've never heard this before. |
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| rjc_43 |
Posted on 15-05-2009 12:29
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That's what they're claiming. Where have you been recently?
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| kadel |
Posted on 15-05-2009 12:31
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I've not really been following this case haha.. lots of exams
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| locodoco |
Posted on 15-05-2009 13:03
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in my opinion they didnt take the blood from valverde directly, so Eufemiano FUentes can put epo in valverd's blood to test, maybe im wrong but i hope valverde isnt a cheater bcos is not good for cycling |
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| Rinhoth |
Posted on 15-05-2009 13:24
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There is not EPO in the bloodbags, but the blood can be used for transfusions, which in essence has a very similar effect as EPO. This is what Vinokourov tested positive for, as well as Kashechkin and several others.
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| stuartmcstuart |
Posted on 15-05-2009 13:30
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CrueTrue wrote:
Valverde is on Caisse's squad for Catalunya.
I'm seriously questioning the team's sanity. We all know how the official Spanish stance on Valverde goes, but I wonder about their French sponsor? |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 15-05-2009 14:29
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Rinhoth wrote:
There is not EPO in the bloodbags, but the blood can be used for transfusions, which in essence has a very similar effect as EPO. This is what Vinokourov tested positive for, as well as Kashechkin and several others.
Yes there is. And cortico, oxyglobin, testosterone and other products.Which is why none of the riders involved even consider the "yes it's my blood, but it's just to test it to see if I'm healthy" excuse.
As for Vinokourov, Kashechkin, Santi Pérez and Hamilton, they did something different: they used blood from other people...which is detectable.
Reinfusing your own blood is undetectable, which is why it's been widespread for many years.
He's also no longer welcome at the Tour of Denmark, just in case no one has mentioned this.
Oh no. The Tour of Denmark was his big goal for the season. What will he do now? 
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| issoisso |
Posted on 15-05-2009 14:32
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schleck93 wrote:
Valverde has now reached the higest level of patheticness possible.
Klöden has now gone one better:
His response to the findings of the telekom investigation isn't the usual "I didn't do it". It's now "They can't prove anything".
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| rjc_43 |
Posted on 15-05-2009 14:39
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issoisso wrote:
Reinfusing your own blood is undetectable, which is why it's been widespread for many years.
It IS detectable, through looking at red blood cell count, and their life span. Blood put back into the body will a certain age, and the body will end up having too much of a certain "age". If you understand me. But it's very very hard to detect - which is something the UCI bio passport thingy me-bobby-watsit is attempting to detect. Hence why they have to be 100% sure of something, which is why it's taking sooooo bloomin' long.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 15-05-2009 14:48
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They'll be able to blood dope at will as long as they're careful.
Until they start testing sheer blood volume, that's what will happen.
Which is why it's so outraging that they simply dismissed Greg LeMond's suggestion that they measure blood volume.
It's tremendously simple....did his total body blood volume increase suddenly? Yes? Blood transfusion. End of.
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| rjc_43 |
Posted on 15-05-2009 14:55
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Or,
Did his blood volume decrease suddenly (and he hasn't crashed, or given blood recently).
That's a little sign as well.
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| Il Grillo |
Posted on 15-05-2009 15:15
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issoisso wrote:
schleck93 wrote:
Valverde has now reached the higest level of patheticness possible.
Klöden has now gone one better:
His response to the findings of the telekom investigation isn't the usual "I didn't do it". It's now "They can't prove anything".
The problem is, what they have against Klöden is all based on what Sinkewitz said. The main problem, Sinkewitz has said so many different things and views in the past that you absolutely cant say whats the truth. But it is very well known that Sinkewitz and Klöden have personal problems with eachother.
Which doesnt mean that Klöden didnt transfuse his own blood. |
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| boork |
Posted on 15-05-2009 15:25
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Il Grillo you dont seem to understand. At first they only had what Sinkewitz said but thats what the report was about. Finding other proof and testimonies. They got other things as proof now. |
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| Waghlon |
Posted on 15-05-2009 15:45
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schleck93 wrote:
Valverde has now reached the higest level of patheticness possible.
I dont know about that... I wake up every morning wanting to sue Worre for no reason other than him being a rather loudmouthed idiot.
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| Il Grillo |
Posted on 15-05-2009 15:51
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@ boork read the report again, everything against Klöden and blood transfusion is based on what Sinkewitz said on 03.03.2008 on page 29/30.
Whats then written on page 30-32 could be an indication that there were 4 more blood samples taken (under the names of T-Mobile staff members) some days after that evening of which 2 indicated blood manipulation with high possibility. As its written directly after what Sinkewitz said the reader directly mades the conclusion it can only be Klöden and Kessler. But in the report it is written one sample was under the name of Sinkewitz the other under the name of the staff members. And explecite no samples under the names of Klöden and Kessler.
It is possible that 2 of the 4 samples were from Klöden and Kessler, but there is absolutely no proof for it in that report. And every conclusion the reader makes is just based on the words of Sinkewitz that there were kessler and Sinkewitz involved on that evening. |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 15-05-2009 16:02
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issoisso wrote:
He's also no longer welcome at the Tour of Denmark, just in case no one has mentioned this.
Oh no. The Tour of Denmark was his big goal for the season. What will he do now?
When I read it earlier, I seriously laughed myself to death (or, well, almost). Jesper Worre has really lost his senses. |
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| Andrew |
Posted on 15-05-2009 16:21
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CrueTrue wrote:
issoisso wrote:
He's also no longer welcome at the Tour of Denmark, just in case no one has mentioned this.
Oh no. The Tour of Denmark was his big goal for the season. What will he do now?
When I read it earlier, I seriously laughed myself to death (or, well, almost). Jesper Worre has really lost his senses.
Yes, but all us danes loves to have a crazy chairman of the cycling union |
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| knasen |
Posted on 15-05-2009 17:31
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Andrew wrote:
CrueTrue wrote:
issoisso wrote:
He's also no longer welcome at the Tour of Denmark, just in case no one has mentioned this.
Oh no. The Tour of Denmark was his big goal for the season. What will he do now?
When I read it earlier, I seriously laughed myself to death (or, well, almost). Jesper Worre has really lost his senses.
Yes, but all us danes loves to have a crazy chairman of the cycling union
It is crazy but send out the right message.
And bye the way. Klödens defense is better then Valverdes. The cant prove anything is better then, they dont have the right to prove anything. |
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| Goldberger |
Posted on 15-05-2009 17:35
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As long as they don't have samples from Kessler and Klöden, how can they trust Sinkewitz explanation? He's changed his opinion several times
It may very well be that Klöden is guilty, but I do not think this report it enough proof. |
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| knasen |
Posted on 15-05-2009 17:42
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Goldberger wrote:
As long as they don't have samples from Kessler and Klöden, how can they trust Sinkewitz explanation? He's changed his opinion several times
It may very well be that Klöden is guilty, but I do not think this report it enough proof.
But still T-Doping was a good team. Mapie and the others was not clean. They won fair. Every one was using doping. |
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