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| knasen |
Posted on 04-05-2009 20:38
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Guido Mukk wrote:
do you guys have looked Giro profile?..this is murder for Kessiakoff..and three weeks..scary stuff..
He will lose much time the first day. Look at fuji servetto TTT skills in Romandie. He probably will have is best place in the total after stage 6. After that I think he will do a Lövqvist and fade away (singing to Fading Like A Flower, Roxette). |
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Posted on 04-05-2009 20:47
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If you had actually seen the Fuji TTT in Romandie, you would have known their time sucked, because Iker Camano flatted his tire.
They waited for him because he was team captain, and he had to switch bike from TT bike to normal bike, so they couldn't push hard from their on. Camano's rythm was gone after the bike switch and that cost a lot of time.
It had nothing to do with Fuji's real TTT skills. We haven't seen them yet, in short, due to that. |
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Posted on 04-05-2009 20:48
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issoisso wrote:
alexkr00 wrote:
issoisso wrote:
alexkr00 wrote:
still waiting for Rabo announce theirs... or they did it?
Here. enjoy 
Mauricio Ardila
Bram de Groot
Pedro Horrillo
Dmitry Kozontchuk
Denis Menchov
Tom Stamsnijder
Laurens ten Dam
Jos van Emden
Pieter Weening
Ten Dam could be a great helper for Menchov.
And Van Emden, Horrillo or de Groot for the sprints. 
They might still change the team. They did already. The original callup had Brown and de Maar instead of Van Emden and someone else I can't remember.
It will be intersting to see what if Weening or Ardila can do too. 
Weening helped Menchov win this year in Murcia and even finishing third. Also Ten Dam was good there so they are already used working togheter this year.
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Posted on 04-05-2009 20:48
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Ruben wrote:
If you had actually seen the Fuji TTT in Romandie, you would have known their time sucked, because Iker Camano flatted his tire.
They waited for him because he was team captain, and he had to switch bike from TT bike to normal bike, so they couldn't push hard from their on. Camano's rythm was gone after the bike switch and that cost a lot of time.
It had nothing to do with Fuji's real TTT skills. We haven't seen them yet, in short, due to that.
I saw that exchange in bikes, but didn't realize that it was to a road bike. Yikes! |
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Posted on 04-05-2009 20:49
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JDC wrote:
Alesle wrote:
issoisso wrote:
Lampre's team is pathetic compared to previous Lampre squads.
And the reason is simple: They decided to pay Cunego the monstrosity that is 2.5 million/season. And that, plus Ballan's wage (which isn't very high at all) left them without much money for other top riders.
To give you an idea how absurd Cunego's salary is, it's 2.5 Bettinis...
I know and I agree completely. The only other rider on the same salary level is Valverde right?
I think Boonen's salary is also above 2 millions/season.
Boonen is one of the few ones I know
1.5 million. Third highest in cycling.
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 04-05-2009 20:51
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issoisso wrote:
JDC wrote:
Alesle wrote:
issoisso wrote:
Lampre's team is pathetic compared to previous Lampre squads.
And the reason is simple: They decided to pay Cunego the monstrosity that is 2.5 million/season. And that, plus Ballan's wage (which isn't very high at all) left them without much money for other top riders.
To give you an idea how absurd Cunego's salary is, it's 2.5 Bettinis...
I know and I agree completely. The only other rider on the same salary level is Valverde right?
I think Boonen's salary is also above 2 millions/season.
Boonen is one of the few ones I know
1.5 million. Third highest in cycling.
and Boonen gives way more wins than Cunego who 'embarased' himself last year in Vuelta and Le Tour
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| rovven7 |
Posted on 04-05-2009 21:17
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He was out of form at the Tour, something that could happen to anyone. And you obviously didn't follow La Vuelta closely. He was in good shape there. |
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Posted on 04-05-2009 21:32
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rovven7 wrote:
He was out of form at the Tour, something that could happen to anyone. And you obviously didn't follow La Vuelta closely. He was in good shape there.
At the Tour, the AFLD's president was being asked by journalists about the riders who were warned their blood values were very suspicious.
Apparently, a journalist asked if Cunego was one of them.
Bourdry just smiled and pretended to change the subject, but in fact (according to the journalists present), it was clear to all he was talking about Cunego. he said:
"Some riders were doing very well at the start [remember Cunego's stellar initial TT?] but as soon as they were warned of their blood values, the values started going back to normal....even if their performances did the opposite"
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Posted on 04-05-2009 21:39
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rovven7 wrote:
He was out of form at the Tour, something that could happen to anyone. And you obviously didn't follow La Vuelta closely. He was in good shape there.
Cunego prepared his season for Le Tour. That's why he wasn't in Giro.
It's hard to belive that you aren't not in form on the moment you have planned to be in all season long.
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Posted on 04-05-2009 22:04
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That's just a speculation, issoisso. Cunego's style of racing only points to one thing: he's clean. Also, don't know much about this subject, but our romanian comentator on Eurosport pointed out that L'equipe published an article claiming that Cunego is the prototype of the clean rider. I tend to believe this, seeing the way he performs every year. The fact that the only race that he was out of form when he should've been shining is the Tour, with all those doping control, is, indeed, a question mark. Even i have doubts, being a fan. But still, there's no proof on the blood values. He is "Doping free" and there's no argument pro to the fact that he's doping. The guy is, as Simoni said, always the same, hasn't ever been the best in any race he had taken part in, never able to follow more than one serious attack, always choses hiw own pace, can't deliver a good result unless he's in top form, etc. |
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Posted on 04-05-2009 22:10
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and he has that "free from doping" tattoo. |
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Posted on 04-05-2009 22:13
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issoisso wrote:
"Some riders were doing very well at the start [remember Cunego's stellar initial TT?] but as soon as they were warned of their blood values, the values started going back to normal....even if their performances did the opposite"
Are you talking about the first TT of that Tour? He finished 17, and that was just because of his wrong preparations. He's been great in the TT and weak on the climbs. Proof? See stage 1. On that small climb, he finished 21th, exhausted. His form was low throughout the whole tour, not just after suposedly being warned.
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Posted on 04-05-2009 22:14
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If he tested positive would you be defending him then.
The fact is, he hasn't that we know of, doesn't mean that he never will though.
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Posted on 04-05-2009 22:16
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On https://www.fuji-s... you can now read "Kessiakoff and Capecchi will lead the first ever appearance of the Boys in Blue at the Corsa Rosa, with its Centennial, 92nd edition starting at Lido di Venezia"
Fun to read official that Kessiakoff is going to be captain. And he is going to have start number 1 of there team.
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Posted on 04-05-2009 22:20
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rovven7 wrote:
That's just a speculation, issoisso.
So the guy who has access to the results of Cunego's blood tests is speculating? How does that work? 
rovven7 wrote:
Cunego's style of racing only points to one thing: he's clean.
That sentence is not logical. It's like saying "My car is an opel, so this wall is white".
rovven7 wrote:
Also, don't know much about this subject, but our romanian comentator on Eurosport pointed out that L'equipe published an article claiming that Cunego is the prototype of the clean rider. I tend to believe this, seeing the way he performs every year.
Wait, what?
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The fact that the only race that he was out of form when he should've been shining is the Tour, with all those doping control, is, indeed, a question mark. Even i have doubts, being a fan. But still, there's no proof on the blood values. He is "Doping free" and there's no argument pro to the fact that he's doping. The guy is, as Simoni said, always the same, hasn't ever been the best in any race he had taken part in, never able to follow more than one serious attack, always choses hiw own pace, can't deliver a good result unless he's in top form, etc.
So, a guy who won major classics over tremendously talented doped riders and who actually reached 450 watts on a Giro climb, is clean?
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Posted on 04-05-2009 22:22
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knasen wrote:
and he has that "free from doping" tattoo.
And Ivan Basso and Tyler Hamilton were widely considered by the average fan to be fiercely against doping and even contributed large parts of their salaries to fund anti-doping initiatives.
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Posted on 04-05-2009 22:24
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Iso let me please
Cunego is not doped we all know that
Cunego is stacked with CERA/EPO etc etc: ) so he is clean he was clean his entire career lke Ricco
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Posted on 04-05-2009 22:27
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Oh, of course, how could I forget: he's also one of the 7 riders from the 2007 Giro who had impossible hormonal values and accused traces of steroids.
The other 6, by the way were Bruseghin, Piepoli, Mazzoleni, Riccò, Di Luca, Simoni.
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Posted on 04-05-2009 22:28
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1.No, the journalists speculated. The french anti-doping agency's president never said the name Cunego.
2. The sentence is logical, it just doesn't stand as a proof. His top form fluctuations ( =0) or any other particular aspect of his racing tends to make us believe he's clean. That's far away from being a guarantee, but it gives us an idea.
3. He actually is very talented himself, and the fact that he won major classics is because he is among the best of his generation (far away from being the best) plus having a good sprint. That's all.
4. Those 450 watts he reached are probably in the 2004 Giro. I know it sounds funny, but i do think he was doped that time. He was never the same. |
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Posted on 04-05-2009 22:34
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rovven7 wrote:
1.No, the journalists speculated. The french anti-doping agency's president never said the name Cunego.
We have a saying over here: For a good "understander", half a word is enough.
rovven7 wrote:
2. The sentence is logical, it just doesn't stand as a proof. His top form fluctuations ( =0) or any other particular aspect of his racing tends to make us believe he's clean. That's far away from being a guarantee, but it gives us an idea.
What is it exactly about his racing that makes you (and whoever else you're referring to when you say "we" ) think he's clean?
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3. He actually is very talented himself, and the fact that he won major classics is because he is among the best of his generation (far away from being the best) plus having a good sprint. That's all.
Hold on while I go tell Merckx, Hinault, LeMond and all the other legends of the pre-EPO era that these wattages that would destroy them by 4 or 5 minutes on any single mountain are from a clean rider.
Do you seriously believe that?
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4. Those 450 watts he reached are probably in the 2004 Giro. I know it sounds funny, but i do think he was doped that time. He was never the same.
No, 2007 Giro, Santuario di Oropa climb.
The drugs aren't the reason he won the 2004 Giro. It was a combination of other reasons, but he didn't do it because of the drugs.
Edited by issoisso on 04-05-2009 22:36
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