Di Luca... sigh. I really shouldn't listen to that guy and neither do I believe most of the stuff he says. While I grant guys like Hamilton or Landis the thought of them trying to redeem for their past substance abuse, Di Luca is just an idiot that never learned from his mistakes and now talks way too much bullshit. If someone credible states these opinions, well - I might listen to them, but seriously, of all the people, why should I give any credi to what Di Luca says, the guy who achieved the unimaginable to get banned for lifa...
"It’s a little bit scary when Contador attacks." - Tommy V
Here's one in mostly Dutch but it's quite easy to follow, espesially if you watched the first one: https://www.uitzen...out#0:5:50Edited by ShortsNL on 22-01-2014 15:53
What amuses me is that he thinks legalised doping would level the playing field, it would do the opposite. There'd be those who dope, (like now) and those who dope themselves to the brink of death, just for that little extra advantage. that thing about not being able to get in the top 10 without doping, rubbish. Maybe for him, but if you have talent you probably can still make it, I doubt there are many top cyclists doping. And I'm serious, and not an Ostritch, you're the Ostritch, for your outdated views about cheating in sport!
Here's one in mostly Dutch but it's quite easy to follow, espesially if you watched the first one: https://www.uitzen...out#0:5:50
Possible? Yes, off course. To be honest, believing that Cancellara actually had an engine is absolutely absurd, in my opinion. I choose to show a little bit more faith in pro cyclists.
And on the subject of Di Luca saying a top 10 in the Giro is impossible without doping. Seriously? I find that extremely derogatory to the sport and especially to those pros who bust their asses training like madmen - doing it all 100% clean. To believe that all the riders in the top 10 of the Giro did so by doping shows that you have no respect for the sport and it's athletes; not to mention that it's a very pessimistic outlook. Thinking that it's impossible is just not logical, perhaps I would agree if you mentioned that such a feat was impossible in 2004, I'd believe you. But times have changed in recent years.
To assume that doping has been completely eradicated is foolish, but so is the notion that it completely over-rules the sport.
Giro 2013 top 10 :
1 Vincenzo Nibali Astana en 84 h 53 min 28 s Ferrari
2 Rigoberto Urán Sky + 4 min 43 s Sky, 'nuff said
3 Cadel Evans BMC Racing 5 min 52 s not sure, but as a reward for his career I give him a "not clean" award
4 Michele Scarponi Lampre-Merida 6 min 48 s Zapatero
5 Carlos Betancur AG2R La Mondiale 7 min 28 s Call it what you want, but I don't have much faith in those recently discovered Colombians
6 Przemysław Niemiec Lampre-Merida 7 min 43 s Lampre, 'nuff said
7 Rafał Majka Saxo-Tinkoff 8 min 9 s Saxo or Tinkoff, I'm not sure which is the keyword here
8 Beñat Intxausti Movistar 10 min 26 s Nationality plus team, easy case
9 Mauro Santambrogio Vini Fantini-Selle Italia 10 min 32 s He got caught, but I never trusted him anyway
10 Domenico Pozzovivo AG2R La Mondiale 10 min 59 s AG2R, is not short for bread and water, works with Betancur too, but Pozzo is probably the most credible guy in that top 10
I admit being harsh on some of these riders, and I despise Di Luca, but, again, I'm not sure he's 100 % wrong.
Edited by Aquarius on 22-01-2014 17:32
I think they are all clean, except Mauro that is
Most suspicious are, for me, Scarponi and Evans, but their utter failing makes it unlikely for them too. Saying you don't trust Colombians isn't really grounds for an accusation
Aquarius wrote: Giro 2013 top 10 :
1 Vincenzo Nibali Astana en 84 h 53 min 28 s Ferrari
2 Rigoberto Urán Sky + 4 min 43 s Sky, 'nuff said
3 Cadel Evans BMC Racing 5 min 52 s not sure, but as a reward for his career I give him a "not clean" award
4 Michele Scarponi Lampre-Merida 6 min 48 s Zapatero
5 Carlos Betancur AG2R La Mondiale 7 min 28 s Call it what you want, but I don't have much faith in those recently discovered Colombians
6 Przemysław Niemiec Lampre-Merida 7 min 43 s Lampre, 'nuff said
7 Rafał Majka Saxo-Tinkoff 8 min 9 s Saxo or Tinkoff, I'm not sure which is the keyword here
8 Beñat Intxausti Movistar 10 min 26 s Nationality plus team, easy case
9 Mauro Santambrogio Vini Fantini-Selle Italia 10 min 32 s He got caught, but I never trusted him anyway
10 Domenico Pozzovivo AG2R La Mondiale 10 min 59 s AG2R, is not short for bread and water, works with Betancur too, but Pozzo is probably the most credible guy in that top 10
I admit being harsh on some of these riders, and I despise Di Luca, but, again, I'm not sure he's 100 % wrong.
Aquarius wrote: Giro 2013 top 10 :
1 Vincenzo Nibali Astana en 84 h 53 min 28 s Ferrari
2 Rigoberto Urán Sky + 4 min 43 s Sky, 'nuff said
3 Cadel Evans BMC Racing 5 min 52 s not sure, but as a reward for his career I give him a "not clean" award
4 Michele Scarponi Lampre-Merida 6 min 48 s Zapatero
5 Carlos Betancur AG2R La Mondiale 7 min 28 s Call it what you want, but I don't have much faith in those recently discovered Colombians
6 Przemysław Niemiec Lampre-Merida 7 min 43 s Lampre, 'nuff said
7 Rafał Majka Saxo-Tinkoff 8 min 9 s Saxo or Tinkoff, I'm not sure which is the keyword here
8 Beñat Intxausti Movistar 10 min 26 s Nationality plus team, easy case
9 Mauro Santambrogio Vini Fantini-Selle Italia 10 min 32 s He got caught, but I never trusted him anyway
10 Domenico Pozzovivo AG2R La Mondiale 10 min 59 s AG2R, is not short for bread and water, works with Betancur too, but Pozzo is probably the most credible guy in that top 10
I admit being harsh on some of these riders, and I despise Di Luca, but, again, I'm not sure he's 100 % wrong.
Aquarius wrote: Giro 2013 top 10 :
1 Vincenzo Nibali Astana en 84 h 53 min 28 s Ferrari
2 Rigoberto Urán Sky + 4 min 43 s Sky, 'nuff said
3 Cadel Evans BMC Racing 5 min 52 s not sure, but as a reward for his career I give him a "not clean" award
4 Michele Scarponi Lampre-Merida 6 min 48 s Zapatero
5 Carlos Betancur AG2R La Mondiale 7 min 28 s Call it what you want, but I don't have much faith in those recently discovered Colombians
6 Przemysław Niemiec Lampre-Merida 7 min 43 s Lampre, 'nuff said
7 Rafał Majka Saxo-Tinkoff 8 min 9 s Saxo or Tinkoff, I'm not sure which is the keyword here
8 Beñat Intxausti Movistar 10 min 26 s Nationality plus team, easy case
9 Mauro Santambrogio Vini Fantini-Selle Italia 10 min 32 s He got caught, but I never trusted him anyway
10 Domenico Pozzovivo AG2R La Mondiale 10 min 59 s AG2R, is not short for bread and water, works with Betancur too, but Pozzo is probably the most credible guy in that top 10
I admit being harsh on some of these riders, and I despise Di Luca, but, again, I'm not sure he's 100 % wrong.
Why are you still following cycling?
Because the Vuelta 2013 was all clean
Maybe, but Horner is a bit too obvious. But why is it impossible for riders like Majka, betancur,... to ride a top 10?
Every young GC riders has to start somewhere
I'd give Uran the benefit of the doubt as well, though hat could be a bit naive of me. It could just be the Froomes, Kennaughs and Portes doping at Sky, something even Aquarius has said is possible. Edited by FroomeDog99 on 22-01-2014 18:07
I admit being harsh on some of these riders, and I despise Di Luca, but, again, I'm not sure he's 100 % wrong.
Pretty much my opinion too.
If anything, I think you've been a bit lenient towards Pozzovivo. His climbing at the 2008 Giro (even when ignoring that his team mate Sella was busted) says enough
I admit being harsh on some of these riders, and I despise Di Luca, but, again, I'm not sure he's 100 % wrong.
Pretty much my opinion too.
If anything, I think you've been a bit lenient towards Pozzovivo. His climbing at the 2008 Giro (even when ignoring that his team mate Sella was busted) says enough
Look at him. He was born to be a climber, especially considering the nature of Italian climbs. Don't want to sound like lawyer of Pozzovivo but come on he's def top 3 less suspicious from that top 10.
Aquarius wrote: Giro 2013 top 10 :
1 Vincenzo Nibali Astana en 84 h 53 min 28 s Ferrari
2 Rigoberto Urán Sky + 4 min 43 s Sky, 'nuff said
3 Cadel Evans BMC Racing 5 min 52 s not sure, but as a reward for his career I give him a "not clean" award
4 Michele Scarponi Lampre-Merida 6 min 48 s Zapatero
5 Carlos Betancur AG2R La Mondiale 7 min 28 s Call it what you want, but I don't have much faith in those recently discovered Colombians
6 Przemysław Niemiec Lampre-Merida 7 min 43 s Lampre, 'nuff said
7 Rafał Majka Saxo-Tinkoff 8 min 9 s Saxo or Tinkoff, I'm not sure which is the keyword here
8 Beñat Intxausti Movistar 10 min 26 s Nationality plus team, easy case
9 Mauro Santambrogio Vini Fantini-Selle Italia 10 min 32 s He got caught, but I never trusted him anyway
10 Domenico Pozzovivo AG2R La Mondiale 10 min 59 s AG2R, is not short for bread and water, works with Betancur too, but Pozzo is probably the most credible guy in that top 10
I admit being harsh on some of these riders, and I despise Di Luca, but, again, I'm not sure he's 100 % wrong.
Why are you still following cycling?
I don't know. I don't think I'm living in a fairy tale with unicorns and all that, but that doesn't mean I shouldn't live at all.
Does that make sense to you ?
Aquarius wrote: Giro 2013 top 10 :
1 Vincenzo Nibali Astana en 84 h 53 min 28 s Ferrari
2 Rigoberto Urán Sky + 4 min 43 s Sky, 'nuff said
3 Cadel Evans BMC Racing 5 min 52 s not sure, but as a reward for his career I give him a "not clean" award
4 Michele Scarponi Lampre-Merida 6 min 48 s Zapatero
5 Carlos Betancur AG2R La Mondiale 7 min 28 s Call it what you want, but I don't have much faith in those recently discovered Colombians
6 Przemysław Niemiec Lampre-Merida 7 min 43 s Lampre, 'nuff said
7 Rafał Majka Saxo-Tinkoff 8 min 9 s Saxo or Tinkoff, I'm not sure which is the keyword here
8 Beñat Intxausti Movistar 10 min 26 s Nationality plus team, easy case
9 Mauro Santambrogio Vini Fantini-Selle Italia 10 min 32 s He got caught, but I never trusted him anyway
10 Domenico Pozzovivo AG2R La Mondiale 10 min 59 s AG2R, is not short for bread and water, works with Betancur too, but Pozzo is probably the most credible guy in that top 10
I admit being harsh on some of these riders, and I despise Di Luca, but, again, I'm not sure he's 100 % wrong.
Why are you still following cycling?
I don't know. I don't think I'm living in a fairy tale with unicorns and all that, but that doesn't mean I shouldn't live at all.
Does that make sense to you ?
Not really no.
I can't follow something (not only cycling) and thinking "ooh, he's a liar, he's a cheater, ...." but that's just me, maybe.
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