Thanks for that Count, once again a good read from the science in sport boys.
One thing that stands out to me from all these times is Pantani is just wow, how did this guy not win more? Such an enigma.
Oh and who the hell is Laurent madouas? Just looking at his results on Wikipedia, not someone I had heard of before...
Wikipedia doesn't have much information on riders. Procyclingstats or CQ-ranking are far better. https://www.procyc...nt-MadouasEdited by Wilier on 18-07-2013 13:46
Smowz wrote:
One thing that stands out to me from all these times is Pantani is just wow, how did this guy not win more? Such an enigma.
he did win quite a lot. Do you mean a specific period?
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Yeah a few Giro's and the 98 tour. But the top three climbs in Alpe history (admittedly likely to aided in some way) - implies the guy should have been won even more than he did. I guess being temperamental and limited in against the clock counted against him.
He had a serious motorbike crash as well at some point didn't he? Guess that set him back too.
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Froome was the 69th fastest descender on the first descent yesterday, and the fastest descender on the second.
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Contador was 18 secs faster than Froome on the first descent, and 20 secs slower on the second.Edited by ianrussell on 18-07-2013 14:02
He was out for 1996. It was the biggest tragedy in cycling history.
Not because he didn't race, but because he had time to make this:
*Shivers*
Other than that, his career was sorta short. In 94 he came out of nowhere to podium Giro and Tour. 95 crashed before the Giro so had to skip it, was sick during the Tour and off-form at the Vuelta. Got a medal in the worlds.
96 out with the injury. 97 crashed out of the Giro and 3rd in the Tour. 98 won both, 99 was winning the Giro when he was excluded after a dope test and from then on he went into a spiral of paranoia and self-loathing due to his mental issues and cocaine use
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Smowz wrote:
Yeah a few Giro's and the 98 tour. But the top three climbs in Alpe history (admittedly likely to aided in some way) - implies the guy should have been won even more than he did. I guess being temperamental and limited in against the clock counted against him.
He had a serious motorbike crash as well at some point didn't he? Guess that set him back too.
John Foot in his fantastic book Pedalare! Pedalare! (and I honestly suggest that everyone reads it) spends most of his chapter about 90s-modern cycling trying to figure out why exactly Pantani never did more after his positive test. Some quotes which might help to shed some light on it:
"For Pantani, unlike Merckx in 1969, there was to be no immediate comeback. he went home to Cesenatico, complete with its security door, and 'cried for days', according to his girlfriend. His house was surrounded by two hundred journalists and it was around that time - again, according to his girlfriend - that he began to consume 'industrial quantities' of cocaine." (pg. 272-273)
"But many of those close to Pantani were more pessimistic about the effect of the scandal on the cyclist's fragile psyche. Giuseppe Martinelli, his sporting director, was spot-on in his comment: 'If I know Marco, he will never recover from this disgrace.'" (pg. 271)
And this is pretty much his conclusion (pg. 276-277):
"Why was Pantani never able to recover from the events of June 1999? [...] What really angered and depressed him was his conviction that the test results had been 'timed' to coincide with his total domination of a big race - and to take that victory away from him. He won very little in his entire career, and he had fought back from a series of horrific accidents - and then Campiglio ended everything, to his mind at least. "
Hope that helps to go some way to explain it Edited by CountArach on 18-07-2013 14:09
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