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Critérium du Dauphiné 2013
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| ppanther |
Posted on 05-06-2013 21:24
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PCM rulezz wrote:
Pellizotti2 wrote:
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If I read this, I get the feeling that you guys think that every rider that wins more than 1 stage races in one year is a doper.
Well, that may be because you wont win the biggest races clean nowadays.
Who says that?
A look at the results. |
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| fosforgasXIII |
Posted on 05-06-2013 21:59
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PCM rulezz wrote:
Pellizotti2 wrote:
PCM rulezz wrote:
If I read this, I get the feeling that you guys think that every rider that wins more than 1 stage races in one year is a doper.
Well, that may be because you wont win the biggest races clean nowadays.
Who says that?
Too many dopers to compete with. Maybe a few superhumans here and there who did it clean, but for most riders there's no other option to take doping themselfes to compete with other riders who have a doping advantage.
I only think that there's now no more direct team orders to take doping like in Armstrong's team. It's now more easy for a rider to stay clean if he wants to, but he would still be less succesfull and therefore have less chance on a place in a big team. So there's still some pressure to take doping, only not as big as in the 90's/2000's.
You can say it's a pessimistic view, I call it realistic. At least I'm not dissapointed anymore everytime the 1000th doping scandal comes in the news. And it doesn't make me stop enjoying this beautiful sport. |
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| PCM rulezz |
Posted on 05-06-2013 22:01
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That's my whole point, how can you see in the results or a rider used doping??
How can you still watching cycling and thinging that every rider is a doper?
Winners never quit, quitters never win.
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| ppanther |
Posted on 05-06-2013 22:07
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PCM rulezz wrote:
That's my whole point, how can you see in the results or a rider used doping??
How can you still watching cycling and thinging that every rider is a doper?
I see which riders win and i think its hard to keep up with them clean. I agree with fosforgas. |
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 05-06-2013 22:29
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PCM rulezz wrote:
How can you still watching cycling and thinging that every rider is a doper?
I don't think anyone thinks that everyone is. I don't, at least.
However, I do withstand what I said earlier. In today's peloton, you can't win the biggest races clean.
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| ppanther |
Posted on 05-06-2013 22:37
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Pellizotti2 wrote:
PCM rulezz wrote:
How can you still watching cycling and thinging that every rider is a doper?
I don't think anyone thinks that everyone is. I don't, at least.
However, I do withstand what I said earlier. In today's peloton, you can't win the biggest races clean.
I also don't think everybody is doing it, but we are still far away from a new, clean era.
How can you watch football, tennis, athletics, when you know Messi, Nadal, Bolt are doping? I still enjoy watching cycling. |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 05-06-2013 23:06
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PCM rulezz wrote:
That's my whole point, how can you see in the results or a rider used doping??
How can you still watching cycling and thinging that every rider is a doper?
Because in the first place people who watch cycling don't watch it for the sole pleasure of watching clean riders ?
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A totally different thing now, but from various calculations I've made with formulas, I get it that Martin would weigh 77 kg and would have done 6,1 W/kg or something like that today (S.Cx of 0,22 m²).
On the other hand, assuming Contador would weigh 65 kg, he'd only manage 5,8 W/kg (S.Cx of 0,23 m², I assumed his position is worst than Martin's).
Maybe I underestimated Martin's weight and overestimated his W/kg (he's not such a great climber after all). But Contador's figures seem rather correct. On a 35-40 minutes effort, he's a bit off the pace (Nibbles did 6,0 to 6,2), but he should be there in the mountains.
How much could allergy cost him ? Hard/impossible to say, but 0,2 W/kg would make sense if it's a tough allergy. Now if it's a non existing one...
Also, but it was maybe another time, Contador has always been very reluctant to explain what he does in training between Dauphiné and Tour, but his performance improved in improbable proportions between both events in 2009 and 2010. With the same increase (more than 5%), he's become podium material again. |
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 06-06-2013 06:21
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issoisso wrote:
Why would I be rolling my eyes at a prediction that Contador can top 5-10?
The prediction was made for König at this years Dauphine, after the great TT. So i still dont know what you were rolling your eyes about. 
Edit: Also Contador will make top5 at Tour, easily.
Edited by Avin Wargunnson on 06-06-2013 06:28
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 06-06-2013 06:25
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mb2612 wrote:
Pollen allergies are meant to be worse this year than in ages due to the lack of a spring, meaning all the plants are flowering at the same time as the grasses.
I can tell you that i am heavy allergic and i have problems to catch my breath every single fucking minute, whole day, after the raining stopped now after the whole May. Riding the bike on some level would be impossible for me.
So if someone really has allergies, he is probably suffering these days, it is just like lungs were only half of their size. 
Dont know how much it is a case for Conta...
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| Selwink |
Posted on 06-06-2013 07:10
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
mb2612 wrote:
Pollen allergies are meant to be worse this year than in ages due to the lack of a spring, meaning all the plants are flowering at the same time as the grasses.
I can tell you that i am heavy allergic and i have problems to catch my breath every single fucking minute, whole day, after the raining stopped now after the whole May. Riding the bike on some level would be impossible for me.
So if someone really has allergies, he is probably suffering these days, it is just like lungs were only half of their size.
Dont know how much it is a case for Conta...
I have the same problem too, but I take medicines against them. Wonder why we never heard it from Conta though
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 06-06-2013 07:55
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
mb2612 wrote:
Pollen allergies are meant to be worse this year than in ages due to the lack of a spring, meaning all the plants are flowering at the same time as the grasses.
I can tell you that i am heavy allergic and i have problems to catch my breath every single fucking minute, whole day, after the raining stopped now after the whole May. Riding the bike on some level would be impossible for me.
So if someone really has allergies, he is probably suffering these days, it is just like lungs were only half of their size.
Dont know how much it is a case for Conta...
you was describing Taaramäe current situation..every day test results give just 70-75 % of lungs normal potential |
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| Nin1388 |
Posted on 06-06-2013 08:12
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It looks like TdF is over for this year. I cant see anybody being able to beat Froome in TdF. He and his team are just too quick in TT. Maybe Nibali could have, but he is not racing, maybe next year we will have exciting TdF.
Contador, Valverde and J. Rodrigues look very weak in TT.
Somebody like Van Garderen or Evans might match him in TT, but not in mountains.
Who else? A.Schleck is out of form.
They will need a group attack like they did in Vuelta last year and force Froome to do all the work. |
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| Selwink |
Posted on 06-06-2013 08:15
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Andy Schleck is always out of form, except when LBL or TDF. Contador has to pick up fitness as well. Froome may have peaked too early. Purito might be a way better climber than Froome. Valverde as well. Pinot has grown a lot since last year. Its far from over
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 06-06-2013 08:23
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Selwink wrote:
Andy Schleck is always out of form, except when LBL or TDF. Contador has to pick up fitness as well. Froome may have peaked too early. Purito might be a way better climber than Froome. Valverde as well. Pinot has grown a lot since last year. Its far from over
Nah, it is over, for the first place if he stays on the bike. And Froome cant peak early, he is peaking whole year...
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| ianrussell |
Posted on 06-06-2013 09:23
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PCM rulezz wrote:
That's my whole point, how can you see in the results or a rider used doping??
How can you still watching cycling and thinging that every rider is a doper?
+1 if I reached that level of cynicism I would also struggle to enjoy the sport. If you can still watch and enjoy and you protect yourself from some inevitable disappointments along the way then all power to you
There are valid reasons to doubt Froome but being in shape for the Dauphine is not one of them imho. Of course there will still be plenty of cheats but numbers, times and big wins by teams and riders I have hope for all lead me to believe people can and do win clean.
Edited by ianrussell on 06-06-2013 11:53
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 06-06-2013 09:24
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Selwink wrote:
Andy Schleck is always out of form, except when LBL or TDF. Contador has to pick up fitness as well. Froome may have peaked too early. Purito might be a way better climber than Froome. Valverde as well. Pinot has grown a lot since last year. Its far from over
Nah, it is over, for the first place if he stays on the bike. And Froome cant peak early, he is peaking whole year...
Tour is never over at 6th. june. |
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| ianrussell |
Posted on 06-06-2013 09:32
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Tour is over, everyone go bet your life savings on Froome it's a foregone conclusion...think I'll hold off for now though thanks (not having some live savings being part of the problem) 
Edited by ianrussell on 06-06-2013 11:53
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| PCM rulezz |
Posted on 06-06-2013 09:34
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Tour isn't over yet, there are 21 stages so also 21 chances to crash out of the tour.
Winners never quit, quitters never win.
It's difficult not to be happy when you're surrounded by Belgians. - Mark Cavendish
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 06-06-2013 09:44
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PCM rulezz wrote:
Tour isn't over yet, there are 21 stages so also 21 chances to crash out of the tour.
That is why i wrote that it is over if Froome stays on the bike and will avoid problems...
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| MartijnVDD |
Posted on 06-06-2013 09:48
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issoisso wrote:
Contador has always talked about allergies.
However, this is just an excuse. He doesn't have it anymore, it's that simple.
How can you know? =D
Pollen allergies can appear, disappear and reappear at any time, especially this year due to late spring resulting in high concentration of pollen. |
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