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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 10-07-2012 11:37
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wiggins also podiumed in paris-nice last year and won the dauphine
clear progression curve in my opinion
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 10-07-2012 11:52
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CLURPR wrote:
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Lol... all this Sky doping and mass hysteria thread over their performance.
I'm having a major deja-vu (Vuelta last year).
Seriously. There's nothing weird going on here imho. Sky just have the luck that everything is falling into place, all of the puzzle pieces, at the right time. They've had a near perfect preparation. None of their team were involved in any major crashes this year or this Tour.
The two biggest TDF stars of recent years, Contador and Andy Schleck, are not participating this year.
Many of the other top 10 contenders who might have caused trouble for Sky in the mountains, have been decimated by crashes, in fact so hard that only 3/4 others remained.
It is no suprise they are dominating now. And no it's no suprise Froome beats Cancellara in a time trial. Because Cancellara, while good, is not in the absolute peak form in time trials he had 2/3 years ago. He's slightly off because of the fall he had in Flanders. Just a few weeks ago he was beaten in Suisse by Kessiakoff, and there were 5 others that stayed within 20 seconds of Cance...
So again, the mass hysteria and doping accusations are laughable.
Let's just enjoy the Tour. The first mountain stages were suprisingly good. And with so many GC contenders already far behind in the GC they won't just sit back and do nothing, but attack to win stages or improve their position now
So, just to be perfectly clear: It is your opinion that their performance isn't that awesome, it just looks awesome due to a combination of factors?
Now, what's your take on the other 4 times this has happened this season (Algarve, Paris-Nice, Romandie, Dauphiné)? Were every single one of those also massive coincidences?
I mean I can buy that everyone messed up except Sky once. 5 times in one season is taking the piss.
If I'm not mistaken he won the Paris-Nice, Dauphine and Romandie all in the time trials. In Paris-Nice, he lost time to Westra on Stage 5 and then only beat him in the final time trial by 2 seconds. Also his only real competitor outside Westra who was in good shape was Valverde, who had terrible time trials and didn't attack Wiggins when he should have.
In the Dauphine, he didn't gain much time in the prologue, lost time to Evans in Stage 1, but then raped him in the Stage 4 time trial which Evans admits he wasn't in good shape and also possibly wasn't going full gas as he did manage to pull away from Wiggins at the end of the stage, on Stage 6 Quintana was allowed to pull away and Evans even managed to gain 8 seconds on Wiggins here and on the final stage Wiggins again lost time to Evans and a lead group of 9.
In Romandie, Wiggins didn't have a great prologue, but he managed to win Stage 1 by the weird sprint that occurred, LLS took the jersey from him on Stage 4 after winning the previous 2 stages, but again Wiggins won the Romandie on the final time trial where he put a good amount of time into LLS to take the jersey. But still if you look at the GC there wasn't any real contenders who really did anything in the way of attacking Wiggins, heck even Andrew Talansky came 2nd overall!
So bringing these races into the argument does nothing Isso, Wiggins won these races on the time trials within them and couple that with the factor that his GC rivals never really attacked him that much or there weren't many GC rivals who could challenge him as he was in better shape than most. He never won a mountain stage, apart from Stage 8 on P-N, and lost time on quite a few of them but won it back in the time trials where he is strong.
You pretty much answered yourself why it is so weird that he was succesful whole season 
Because as you pointed out he has different opponents who were in the top form just for one week, aiming for the one specified race during the year,apart from Wiggins who was in form in every of these races and was great in March, May,June and July now...
Edited by Avin Wargunnson on 10-07-2012 11:52
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| Gustavovskiy |
Posted on 10-07-2012 11:54
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Quite an interesting thread, this one. It's kinda expected, though, this sort of talk would come up, since the Tour has started.
TheManxMissile wrote:
wiggins also podiumed in paris-nice last year and won the dauphine
clear progression curve in my opinion
Wiggins' progression curve?? Here's what I know about his progression:
Up till 2009: typical track/road rider, great in the flat, absolute zero on any speed bump
From 2009 onwards: BADABOOOM!!! TdF contender
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 10-07-2012 11:57
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Gustavovskiy wrote:
Wiggins' progression curve?? Here's what I know about his progression:
Up till 2009: typical track/road rider, great in the flat, absolute zero on any speed bump
From 2009 onwards: BADABOOOM!!! TdF contender
okay i cant explain that except perhaps he just changed focus? (struggling for an arguement here)
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| jt1109 |
Posted on 10-07-2012 12:22
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he has gone from 78kg to 69kg from 2007 to 2012
But more strangely he went from 78kg to 67kg from 2007 to 2008 when he was 4th when if i'm not mistaken there was a new super drug around helping cyclist lose weight? Strange?:/ |
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| kumazan |
Posted on 10-07-2012 12:24
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jt1109 wrote:
he has gone from 78kg to 69kg from 2007 to 2012
But more strangely he went from 78kg to 67kg from 2008 to 2009 when he was 4th when if i'm not mistaken there was a new super drug around helping cyclist lose weight? Strange?:/
The drug was AICAR.
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| sutty68 |
Posted on 10-07-2012 12:29
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Cofidis rider arrested and being questioned by French police after early morning raid on the team hotel  |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 10-07-2012 12:30
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Edit: At least nobody is trying to accuse Sagan when we have bigger fishes in the dirty pond 
Fact is, to my knowledge, there's nothing fishy about Sagan. Maybe time will prove me wrong, but as off now, there's nothing. So I'm not going to accuse him, no matter how much he wins. That could change based on how he wins, but so far nothing by him looks beyond reasonable. |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 10-07-2012 12:31
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sutty68 wrote:
Cofidis rider arrested and being questioned by French police after early morning raid on the team hotel Are Cofidis merging with Sky ? Because unless it's case you're in the wrong topic. |
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 10-07-2012 12:31
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sutty68 wrote:
Cofidis rider arrested and being questioned by French police after early morning raid on the team hotel
Wrong thread.
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| sutty68 |
Posted on 10-07-2012 12:32
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Its still drug related |
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 10-07-2012 12:33
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This thread is for talking about the possible doping at Sky, not in general. We have the "News in" threads for these news.
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| sutty68 |
Posted on 10-07-2012 12:35
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So what you are saying is that this thread is to slag Team Sky off at any given opportunity whilst every other team is apparently innocent |
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| TheManxMissile |
Posted on 10-07-2012 12:40
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sutty68 wrote:
So what you are saying is that this thread is to slag Team Sky off at any given opportunity whilst every other team is apparently innocent
no i set this up to try and clear up the day by day stage threads which were filled with this debate
The cofidis should probably be in news, or the rest day thread
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 10-07-2012 12:41
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No idea where you got that from. This thread was created to clean up the mess in the Tour threads, where a lot of people started to argue about Sky being doped or not. In this thread, that discussion continues.
Feel free to give your opinion about Cofidis or any other team suspected of doping in the News threads. That's where doping incidents are normally discussed, unless it turns into a huge discussion like the Sky thing.
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| kumazan |
Posted on 10-07-2012 12:41
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sutty68 wrote:
So what you are saying is that this thread is to slag Team Sky off at any given opportunity whilst every other team is apparently innocent
No, this thread is to talk about how suspicious or not you find Sky's performaces, staff, riders etc, or further evidence if, by any luck, it was ever found.
You're very welcome to start a new thread on Cofidis if you feel like it.
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| CLURPR |
Posted on 10-07-2012 12:41
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TheManxMissile wrote:
sutty68 wrote:
So what you are saying is that this thread is to slag Team Sky off at any given opportunity whilst every other team is apparently innocent
no i set this up to try and clear up the day by day stage threads which were filled with this debate
The cofidis should probably be in news, or the rest day thread
It should have its own thread as Sky seems to have one, and Cofidis actually has more proof than Sky for doping at the moment so I don't see why not. |
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 10-07-2012 12:44
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CLURPR wrote:
TheManxMissile wrote:
sutty68 wrote:
So what you are saying is that this thread is to slag Team Sky off at any given opportunity whilst every other team is apparently innocent
no i set this up to try and clear up the day by day stage threads which were filled with this debate
The cofidis should probably be in news, or the rest day thread
It should have its own thread as Sky seems to have one, and Cofidis actually has more proof than Sky for doping at the moment so I don't see why not.
I don't think it's really necessary, since this Cofidis thing wont create a huge debate about whether they're clean or not.
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| kumazan |
Posted on 10-07-2012 12:48
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Pellizotti2 wrote:
CLURPR wrote:
TheManxMissile wrote:
sutty68 wrote:
So what you are saying is that this thread is to slag Team Sky off at any given opportunity whilst every other team is apparently innocent
no i set this up to try and clear up the day by day stage threads which were filled with this debate
The cofidis should probably be in news, or the rest day thread
It should have its own thread as Sky seems to have one, and Cofidis actually has more proof than Sky for doping at the moment so I don't see why not.
I don't think it's really necessary, since this Cofidis thing wont create a huge debate about whether they're clean or not.
Plus this isn't proof about Cofidis doping. The investigation on Di Gregorio started one year ago, when he rode for our dear Team Astana.
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 10-07-2012 12:50
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Aquarius wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Edit: At least nobody is trying to accuse Sagan when we have bigger fishes in the dirty pond
Fact is, to my knowledge, there's nothing fishy about Sagan. Maybe time will prove me wrong, but as off now, there's nothing. So I'm not going to accuse him, no matter how much he wins. That could change based on how he wins, but so far nothing by him looks beyond reasonable.
I agree completly, i was just joking. It would kill me if Sagan was found dirty
Sorry for off- topic here.
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