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Giro d'Italia 2012 - Week 3
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 21-05-2012 11:42
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Johan92 wrote:
Avin Wargunnson wrote:
Another boring stage, this race should be the most interesting GT? The other favourites bar Rodriguez and Hesjedal are giving these two too much space with steady pace up the whole climb (Szmyd every climb leading 5 kms or so). They should try to tear it apart form the start of the climb and Rodriguez and Hesjedal would be in bigger trouble.
Probably the opponents does not believe in J-Rod and Ryder and wait for third week to crush them, i dont believe in them either, still Basso,Scarponi and Kreuziger are the favourites for me.
But even the California was more interesting 
You know the three last mountain stages right? They are way harder than any other stage this year. THere is no point going all in when you have the last three mountain stages waiting.
The Giro overall been quite boring, I agree, but they are all really waiting for the last mountain stages.
Than there is no need to have three weeks long races, when they are not racing for two of them. I am sute last few stages will be epic, but so far big borefest, only higlihted by some great solo efforts like Barta or Rabottini.
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 21-05-2012 11:45
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I think alot of people need to lower their expectations. This is a 3-week tour, you can't expect all the GC-favourites to go out all guns blazing every time they go over a speedbump.
There's a fine line between "psychotherapist" and "psycho the rapist"
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| Avin Wargunnson |
Posted on 21-05-2012 11:51
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cactus-jack wrote:
I think alot of people need to lower their expectations. This is a 3-week tour, you can't expect all the GC-favourites to go out all guns blazing every time they go over a speedbump.
I am not expecting that, you are talking a bit extreme oposite, i dont need attacking on the speed bump, but in the real mountain terrain. Attacking in the last 2kms before finish is stinky and boring for me. I know this the reality of modern cycling and it will not change probably, but i can still dislike it and be angry about it. 
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| samdiatmh |
Posted on 21-05-2012 11:59
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hmmm debatable whether it'll be Joaquim or a break tomorrow
might hold the bet
does that last "climb" end at the finish, or is there a few kms of flat after? |
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| kumazan |
Posted on 21-05-2012 12:02
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Avin Wargunnson wrote:
cactus-jack wrote:
I think alot of people need to lower their expectations. This is a 3-week tour, you can't expect all the GC-favourites to go out all guns blazing every time they go over a speedbump.
I am not expecting that, you are talking a bit extreme oposite, i dont need attacking on the speed bump, but in the real mountain terrain. Attacking in the last 2kms before finish is stinky and boring for me. I know this the reality of modern cycling and it will not change probably, but i can still dislike it and be angry about it.
Put a 70km TTT and two 60 km ITT. See it change.
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| Pellizotti2 |
Posted on 21-05-2012 12:23
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samdiatmh wrote:
hmmm debatable whether it'll be Joaquim or a break tomorrow
might hold the bet
does that last "climb" end at the finish, or is there a few kms of flat after?
I think there's a little bit of flat, but just a kilometer or so.
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| Gustavovskiy |
Posted on 21-05-2012 12:30
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Cycling fans sometimes tend to forget that cyclists are also human and so their strengths don't run forever. Seriously when you see guys like Rujano, Pozzovivo and Uran being dropped earlier than expected and you're still demanding for attacks, that's when you draw the line. I mean if some of the best climbers can't even cope with the pace being set why would you expect anyone to have enough reserves to risk all their GC aspirations and go all-in for a long effort?
You want to see some juicy superhuman performances? Well this looks much more real to me.
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| kumazan |
Posted on 21-05-2012 12:31
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A bit more than two kms:
Gustavovskiy wrote:
You want to see some juicy superhuman performances? Well this looks much more real to me.
The doping fallacy strikes again. Conservative riding came with blood doping. Try again.
Edited by kumazan on 21-05-2012 12:33
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| Gustavovskiy |
Posted on 21-05-2012 12:40
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kumazan wrote:
Gustavovskiy wrote:
You want to see some juicy superhuman performances? Well this looks much more real to me.
The doping fallacy strikes again. Conservative riding came with blood doping. Try again.
Hey, I'm not trying to prove anything here, I'm just saying I prefer to watch performances which make me less suspicious.
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| kumazan |
Posted on 21-05-2012 12:43
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Gustavovskiy wrote:
kumazan wrote:
Gustavovskiy wrote:
You want to see some juicy superhuman performances? Well this looks much more real to me.
The doping fallacy strikes again. Conservative riding came with blood doping. Try again.
Hey, I'm not trying to prove anything here, I'm just saying I prefer to watch performances which make me less suspicious.
Oh, sorry then, I'm a bit oversensitive with that, because it's one of the most repeated lies about the so called modern cycling. Still don't agree with you about the lack of attacks being normal though.
Edited by kumazan on 21-05-2012 12:44
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| Gustavovskiy |
Posted on 21-05-2012 13:25
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I know what you mean with the misuse of this argument, but I meant to use it as a personal perspective. I just don't believe you can complain much about last stage, because imo there were only a couple of riders able to attack from the group led by Szmyd and those riders actually attacked.
I understand that this is the Giro and so people expect fireworks every single stage, and so I reckon some people may have been disappointed, but I believe the lack of spectacle was more due to exhaustion rather than fear or inertia
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 21-05-2012 13:55
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Perhaps some of the attitude from last years Giro still lingers. No one dares to attack for fear of what will come. However, I do believe we would have seen more attacks had there been either one or two 40-50km ITTs.
There's a fine line between "psychotherapist" and "psycho the rapist"
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| fickman |
Posted on 21-05-2012 14:15
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The People complaining about the lack of attacks should try to ride a Grand Tour instead of siting in a couch in front of the Tv.
Havent u seen what happend when someone try to attack far away from the Finish Line??? Have u seen what happend to Cunego the last 2 days or what happend to Rujano when he try to attack 2 times a few days ago or Horner in The Tour of California. They´r reward for trying doing something different was losing a lot of time and are IMO no more GC contenders anymore. |
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| ianrussell |
Posted on 21-05-2012 14:27
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I can understand some frustration with the favourites not often being on the attack but there is so much more going on. I feel slightly sorry for anyone finding it boring.
Whether it be villan to hero Ferrari or the courageous solo effort of Rabottini (and the acompanying Italian commentary that went with it which was almost as entertaining!) there have been plenty of sub plots to keep things interesting  |
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| alexkr00 |
Posted on 21-05-2012 14:40
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fickman wrote:
The People complaining about the lack of attacks should try to ride a Grand Tour instead of siting in a couch in front of the Tv.
Havent u seen what happend when someone try to attack far away from the Finish Line??? Have u seen what happend to Cunego the last 2 days or what happend to Rujano when he try to attack 2 times a few days ago or Horner in The Tour of California. They´r reward for trying doing something different was losing a lot of time and are IMO no more GC contenders anymore.
Really?
Something is happening to Rujano. I don't know what but it has nothing to do with those attacks he made.
Cunego is not a real GC contender. He went in those attacks as part of some kind of strategy for Lampre. The fact that he was caught and then dropped show his climbing skills are not the best on this type of climbs.
And Horner... Horner attacked because that was his last chance to get a decent result in the race that he dominated last year. But clearly he wasn't at his best hence getting caught. Atapuma managed to hang on and almost take the stage win something Horner could have done too if he was on form. The fact that he attacked early didn't have anything to do with him not winning the stage and not getting a good place in the GC.
This is pure Schleck thinking.
Edited by alexkr00 on 21-05-2012 14:41
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| cactus-jack |
Posted on 21-05-2012 14:57
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It's pure human thinking.
There's a fine line between "psychotherapist" and "psycho the rapist"
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| fickman |
Posted on 21-05-2012 14:59
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I have a question for those complaining about the lack of attacks. If u see the last Stage, from who are u expecting more attacks??? KREUZIGER, GADRET, HESJEDAL, URAN, POZZOVIVO??? How the hell do u expect them to atacck when they even achieve to stay with SCARPONI, BASSO and HENAO. And for RODRIGUEZ he is attacking and it is working, so should he try something else and risk to lose time??? |
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| Vien |
Posted on 21-05-2012 15:05
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Riders don't attack because they feel good. Riders attack because they know they'll fail and lose minutes otherwise. That's not the type of attacks I want to see. |
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| Lachi |
Posted on 21-05-2012 15:59
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I have seen much attacks from riders who feel good lately. Did you see Gesink in Tour of California? That was just fantastic. Or Hesjedal on Saturday or Rodriguez on Sunday?
But such riders only need 5 km or less to gain time on their opponents. If you only want to see such attacks, then it would be even more boring.
Edited by Lachi on 21-05-2012 16:02
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| Guido Mukk |
Posted on 21-05-2012 20:41
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cycling has changed..if you want to see crazy atacks..then get more doping back.
Still I dont know Purito motive to give away stage win..nice ofcorse..but why? |
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