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| Ithaca |
Posted on 16-09-2011 08:56
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Tuco the Ugly wrote:
Welcome to Christina Watches...2014.
You know, that might actually happen :-P
OH, some TCW news, by the way (that I had forgotten about):
Martin Pedersen (formerly Leopard-Trek), has signed with Team Christina Watches - Onfone. |
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| Kami |
Posted on 16-09-2011 13:21
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The Ronde van Vlaanderen will finish in Oudenaarde the coming two years, which means that the 'Muur' and 'Bosberg' will lose it importance. The 'Oude Kwaremont' and the 'Paterberg' will become the decisive hills instead.
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| Jonathan |
Posted on 16-09-2011 17:29
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Kami wrote:
The Ronde van Vlaanderen will finish in Oudenaarde the coming two years, which means that the 'Muur' and 'Bosberg' will lose it importance. The 'Oude Kwaremont' and the 'Paterberg' will become the decisive hills instead.
The Muur will completely disappear... What a shame, the organisators choose for the money instead of the sport. |
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| tyriion |
Posted on 16-09-2011 17:51
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Jonathan wrote:
Kami wrote:
The Ronde van Vlaanderen will finish in Oudenaarde the coming two years, which means that the 'Muur' and 'Bosberg' will lose it importance. The 'Oude Kwaremont' and the 'Paterberg' will become the decisive hills instead.
The Muur will completely disappear... What a shame, the organisators choose for the money instead of the sport.
Don't know about that, the new final is looking very nice too.
Edit; Just saw an interview, and the bid of Meerbeke was higher than the bid of Oudenaarde.
Edited by tyriion on 16-09-2011 18:06
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| ruben |
Posted on 16-09-2011 18:11
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Dude, the Ronde will be hard no matter what finish you chose (or oyu must finish somewhere 50km from the hills). That still doesn't justify raping a classic
How about moving the finish from San Remo to somewhere entirely different and scrap the Cipressa and the Poggio. That would not be fun either
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 16-09-2011 18:16
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ruben wrote:
Dude, the Ronde will be hard no matter what finish you chose (or oyu must finish somewhere 50km from the hills). That still doesn't justify raping a classic
How about moving the finish from San Remo to somewhere entirely different and scrap the Cipressa and the Poggio. That would not be fun either
You mean if you say moved the finish to the top of the Cauberg?
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| Jonathan |
Posted on 16-09-2011 18:22
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mb2612 wrote:
ruben wrote:
Dude, the Ronde will be hard no matter what finish you chose (or oyu must finish somewhere 50km from the hills). That still doesn't justify raping a classic
How about moving the finish from San Remo to somewhere entirely different and scrap the Cipressa and the Poggio. That would not be fun either
You mean if you say moved the finish to the top of the Cauberg?
The AGR doesn't have the history of the RVV. The Muur is the epic highlight of the Ronde and when you completely remove that hill from the parcours is raping a classic. |
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Posted on 16-09-2011 18:29
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mb2612 wrote:
ruben wrote:
Dude, the Ronde will be hard no matter what finish you chose (or oyu must finish somewhere 50km from the hills). That still doesn't justify raping a classic
How about moving the finish from San Remo to somewhere entirely different and scrap the Cipressa and the Poggio. That would not be fun either
You mean if you say moved the finish to the top of the Cauberg?
Yeah, compare a race with little history to the Tour of Flanders  |
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| mb2612 |
Posted on 16-09-2011 18:32
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ruben wrote:
mb2612 wrote:
ruben wrote:
Dude, the Ronde will be hard no matter what finish you chose (or oyu must finish somewhere 50km from the hills). That still doesn't justify raping a classic
How about moving the finish from San Remo to somewhere entirely different and scrap the Cipressa and the Poggio. That would not be fun either
You mean if you say moved the finish to the top of the Cauberg?
Yeah, compare a race with little history to the Tour of Flanders
40 years is a fair bit of history
Don't get me wrong, I agree that this is a massive change, but race routes change all the time so it's not inherently a bad thing.
Loops would probably make the atmosphere even better as well
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| kumazan |
Posted on 16-09-2011 18:46
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The Giro di Lombardia has changed its route several times, and the human race survived those days. It's kinda sad to see the Muur becoming almost irrelevant, but I don't think that's raping a classic.
Having less than 50km of TTing is raping a GT though, and we've had that for some years already and few people complained.
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| tyriion |
Posted on 16-09-2011 19:12
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ruben wrote:
mb2612 wrote:
ruben wrote:
Dude, the Ronde will be hard no matter what finish you chose (or oyu must finish somewhere 50km from the hills). That still doesn't justify raping a classic
How about moving the finish from San Remo to somewhere entirely different and scrap the Cipressa and the Poggio. That would not be fun either
You mean if you say moved the finish to the top of the Cauberg?
Yeah, compare a race with little history to the Tour of Flanders
If you cling to traditions because they are there you will end up with a sport like soccer. It's better for people watching at the roadsides and it's still RvV. Cobbled hills is what it is about. And they still use big name hills, it's not like they changed de Muur for some unknown hill. If it was me they'd put de Muur in anyway, it would just be 100 km from the finish (like Kwaremont this year) But I'll watch the race before I'll say it is a bad change. You have to keep current after all, to keep being attractive.
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| issoisso |
Posted on 16-09-2011 20:38
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ruben wrote:
You do know Dekker rides for the Development team of Garmin and the plan is to ride for Garmin in 2012? ;-)
What are you, high? His results are beyond awful, Vaughters would be mad to sign him
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| dienblad |
Posted on 16-09-2011 20:51
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issoisso wrote:
ruben wrote:
You do know Dekker rides for the Development team of Garmin and the plan is to ride for Garmin in 2012? ;-)
What are you, high? His results are beyond awful, Vaughters would be mad to sign him
Dekker is a very talented rider, with great results (winning the Tirreno-Adriatico and Tour de Romandie) before he made the mistake to use doping. His results at this moment aren't good, but when he rides some races, and continues to grow in training etc, Dekker can surprise a lot of people.
And to be honest, because of his riding at this moment, to me he is absolutely trustful, in contrary to other banned riders who ride up front immediately!
If not in 2012, then 2013 we´ll see the real Thomas Dekker, capable of winning races as Paris-Nice, the Tirreno, Romandie, Tour de Suisse (well, at least get a top 5 in the GC)
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| issoisso |
Posted on 16-09-2011 21:06
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Don't be naive. Dekker was on drugs the whole way. He just isn't honest enough to admit it.
You want to see Dekker's results riding clean? Look at 2008. What did he do? He sucked. That's the real Dekker.
Compare his results so far this year to results of others coming back from suspensions and his are horrendous. Even in his supposed strength the time trial.
Vaughters can't possibly be thinking of offering him a contract.
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| YvesStevens |
Posted on 16-09-2011 21:06
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Dienblad is right, Dekker is a very Talented rider who learned of his mistakes, I think he can win the Giro or Vuelta |
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| felix_29 |
Posted on 16-09-2011 21:10
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Yes, Dekker will make the Ardennes triple and win the Tour
Seriuosly, what he showed in Portugal was so poor that Vaughters can´t move him to the pro team. Another season witht the development team would be better for each party: Dekker could slowly improve participating in small races and Vaughters gets another season to see what Dekker is really capable of.
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| ruben |
Posted on 16-09-2011 21:27
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issoisso wrote:
ruben wrote:
You do know Dekker rides for the Development team of Garmin and the plan is to ride for Garmin in 2012? ;-)
What are you, high? His results are beyond awful, Vaughters would be mad to sign him Dekker wasted a lot of time doing nothing. Whereas a guy like Basso trained like mad from the moment he got suspended.
Takes a bit time to repair the damage. But lately Dekker has been improving. He had two 7th places last week. It will take another half year before he is ready for World Tour.
And no I strongly disagree with the "he can only do it on drugs" shit you start |
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| ruben |
Posted on 16-09-2011 21:31
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issoisso wrote:
Don't be naive. Dekker was on drugs the whole way. He just isn't honest enough to admit it.
You want to see Dekker's results riding clean? Look at 2008. What did he do? He sucked. That's the real Dekker.
Compare his results so far this year to results of others coming back from suspensions and his are horrendous. Even in his supposed strength the time trial.
Vaughters can't possibly be thinking of offering him a contract.
Even more fail of Isso.
2008:
3rd Castilla y Leon (behind Contador and Soler)
3rd Pais Vasco (behind Contador and Evans)
5th AGR (behind Cunego, F Schleck, Valverde and Rebellin)
5th Fleche Wallone (behind Kirchen, Evans, Cunego and Gesink)
6th LBL (behind Valverde, Rebellin, both Schlecks and Pfannberger)
And he was 2nd in Romandie before he dropped out being dead tired.
Yeah I can see how awfully he performed.
Besides, you got your facts wrong. He only rode clean from 2009 on... he sucked in the beginning because of the after effects of doing nothing half 2008 (he sat on his ass when he was fired) But even being in sucky form he was top 20 in LBL, top 5 in the Tour of Belgium and top 20 in Suisse (and 3rd in the ITT).
Jesus isso, 3 out of 4 wrong. Not our usual style |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 16-09-2011 21:47
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YvesStevens wrote:
Dienblad is right, Dekker is a very Talented rider who learned of his mistakes, I think he can win the Giro or Vuelta
And I'm a very jealous guy that I can't read as good as you in my/your favourite rider(s) conscience.
As for winning Giro or Vuelta and learning from his mistakes, surely the mistake was being caught because of recklessness, not actually using dope, otherwise there's something beyond logic or possible here.
As for Dekker sitting on his ass during six months, when he learnt his suspension... That's what all suspended riders should be obliged to do, if it could possibly be legal. |
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| YvesStevens |
Posted on 16-09-2011 21:50
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ok saying that he would win giro or vuelta is to mutch but he could sure become a good rider only the big thing is that he did'nt do anything when he was suspended |
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