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| Addy291 |
Posted on 20-09-2007 19:38
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just checked Wiki
Verdict
On September 20, 2007, Landis was found guilty of doping by the hearing committee. The committee ordered that Landis be suspended from cycling for two years, retroactive to January 30, 2007 and that he forfeit the 2006 Tour de France win. Landis does have the right to appeal the decision of the committee to the Court of Arbitration for Sport.
man those guys are fast
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| doddy13 |
Posted on 20-09-2007 19:51
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well it's easy to do, one click. Thats all
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 20-09-2007 19:57
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One click - and a lot of types. |
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| Crommy |
Posted on 20-09-2007 20:11
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Although wikipedia are finally introducing a new system 
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| issoisso |
Posted on 20-09-2007 20:20
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is it me or doesn't he have the right to appeal the decision?
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| dave92 |
Posted on 20-09-2007 20:21
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he doesnt have have the money apparently
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| issoisso |
Posted on 20-09-2007 20:22
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if that's the case (as he had indicated before), he's used all his money for nothing. basically thrown it away. that's got to be frustrating.
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| Dan_Grr |
Posted on 20-09-2007 20:26
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Eh... poor liar? |
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 20-09-2007 20:26
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He does have a right to appeal the decision to CAS. But as mentioned, that will mean even more expenses. |
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| doddy13 |
Posted on 20-09-2007 20:34
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which will be funded by his book
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| issoisso |
Posted on 20-09-2007 20:50
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doddy13 wrote:
which will be funded by his book
I doubt it. authors get very little. just a few small royalties plus whatever they were paid previously to the book going on sale. meaning, previously to knowing whether it'll have any success.
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| KurtinSC |
Posted on 20-09-2007 21:14
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The saddest part of the Landis thing is the damage it's done to US public interest in cycling. I always found myself drawn to watching cycling when I saw it on TV, but nobody else payed any attention at all amongst people I knew, even in Lemond's best years. Then Armstrong came along and it became very popular here... at least during the TDF. And people did watch the year after Armstrong retired and were happy when Landis won.
This past TDF... nothing. There was a little interest around here at the start (I live near Greenville where Hincappie trains) but that died relatively early when he faded in the first mountain stage. It's worse than being outraged by doping... people just don't care.
Now with the Discovery team gone... well Cycling is back to being a niche sport here in the US. It's well behind skateboarding and other X-games type sports... it's even behind Olympic sports that most people in the US only follow every 4 years. I know cycling will survive, but it's annoying for a fan of the sport in the states. |
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| PensFan101 |
Posted on 20-09-2007 22:04
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KurtinSC wrote:
The saddest part of the Landis thing is the damage it's done to US public interest in cycling. I always found myself drawn to watching cycling when I saw it on TV, but nobody else payed any attention at all amongst people I knew, even in Lemond's best years. Then Armstrong came along and it became very popular here... at least during the TDF. And people did watch the year after Armstrong retired and were happy when Landis won.
This past TDF... nothing. There was a little interest around here at the start (I live near Greenville where Hincappie trains) but that died relatively early when he faded in the first mountain stage. It's worse than being outraged by doping... people just don't care.
Now with the Discovery team gone... well Cycling is back to being a niche sport here in the US. It's well behind skateboarding and other X-games type sports... it's even behind Olympic sports that most people in the US only follow every 4 years. I know cycling will survive, but it's annoying for a fan of the sport in the states.
Well I'm Canadian, and we only have Charles Dionne lol.
But you're right, and this raises kind of a sad point. Americans (generalizing here) are much more drawn to winners than losers, or it seems to be that way. If there isn't an american winning in a sport, then there is much less interest (obviously passionate fans like you are the exception, but you're few and far between). That's why Basketball, Baseball, NASCAR, and NFL Football are such big sports in contrast to more international sports like Soccer, Cycling, and to a lesser degree hockey, because Americans always win.
Then again, the same can be said for other countries, but based on my personal experiences, America is certainly a more extreme case...
As for Landis, good riddance. I just have a hard time giving Pereiro the win, although now that we look back it was a gift by Landis to let him have 30 minutes. I am positive he was positive during the tour. Sure, we can go all the way down the list, and maybe we should award it to the most clean (in which case I think Kloden was the clean"est" of the podium, altho I'm not basing it on a whole lot so take it for what it is), and look to next year, which should be very exciting giving how cycling is evolving right now, and that the Grand Tours are seperate from the pro circuit. |
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| KurtinSC |
Posted on 20-09-2007 22:18
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It's not necessarily winners americans follow, but it requires a winner to break in to the sport limelight here.
For example there are college football (US football) teams that suck every year and sell out 90-100 thousand seat stadiums every game. The Chicago Cubs suck most years (they're doing well this season) and they draw very well in baseball. But those are already established here... they have dedicated fanbases.
Cycling doesn't. It was ALMOST there with Armstrong and if Landis had been legit it had a shot of really catching on. American celebrities were involved. People would talk about the previous days races at work. ESPN would show clips of the previous day's stage during the tour de franch. Even last year it happened... but the Landis thing killed that. This past year they really didn't even mention the tour on major sports networks (just a blurb when it was over). It's sad that it had it's chance and missed it.
I think Discovery backing out had a lot more to do with the lack of interest here than anything else. They didn't get any return on their investment from an advertising perspective. They won the Tour de France and the US public said: "Who cares? Is Lance Armstrong dating anyone?"
And it really came down to Landis. If his win had been legit people would have hooked onto him.
Even sports that Americans do extremely well in on an international scale (such as Swimming and Track and Field) don't get fans... because there's no team to back, just individuals. Cycling really does have what it takes... but it just won't happen now. 
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| Dan_Grr |
Posted on 21-09-2007 07:28
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Basketball is a popular sport around the world, but americans don't "always win", they have been humbled several times by other european and south-american teams. Its popularity lies in all the mediatic attention it's given to its national league. |
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 21-09-2007 07:43
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To our American fellows here : cycling is softly dying here too, in old Europe, since at least 1998 and the first important doping scandals.
I'm not sure what the ranking of cycling was in a ranking of "sports interesting people the most" before 1998 and now, but it must be something like going down from top 3 to the 8th or 9th position.
As for Landis... my main question is : how the heck did he succeed in convincing one of the three judges ?  |
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| issoisso |
Posted on 21-09-2007 08:41
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Aquarius wrote:
As for Landis... my main question is : how the heck did he succeed in convincing one of the three judges ?
Campbell was appointed by Landis' attourneys
the other judges were the president of god knows what and a guy appointed by the prosecution. which makes it kind of ridiculous since it was always going to come down to the neutral guy's vote...
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| rodda |
Posted on 21-09-2007 09:20
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Aquarius wrote:
To our American fellows here : cycling is softly dying here too, in old Europe, since at least 1998 and the first important doping scandals.
I'm not sure what the ranking of cycling was in a ranking of "sports interesting people the most" before 1998 and now, but it must be something like going down from top 3 to the 8th or 9th position.
As for Landis... my main question is : how the heck did he succeed in convincing one of the three judges ?
on the upside cycling has dramatically increased in popularity and media coverage here in australia, mainly due to Robbie Mcewen and Cadel Evans.
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 21-09-2007 13:11
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UCI has now also asked Allan Davis to stay away from the World Championship. Even though his case was closed in December 2006, he's still a suspect according to the UCI, meaning that he shouldn't be allowed to race. |
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| stuartmcstuart |
Posted on 21-09-2007 13:27
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Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty? |
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