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| schleck93 |
Posted on 23-02-2011 22:35
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What I meant was that they didn't use the team a way to get into the British market. And to be honest, I'm pretty sure they are bigger in Britain than they are in Denmark, no one in Denmark knew about her before she started sponsoring MR.
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| Ithaca |
Posted on 24-02-2011 08:24
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schleck93 wrote:
What I meant was that they didn't use the team a way to get into the British market. And to be honest, I'm pretty sure they are bigger in Britain than they are in Denmark, no one in Denmark knew about her before she started sponsoring MR.
All I know is that her revenue comes from somewhere. I'm pretty sure she has retailers in most of Europe and the U.S. (from browsing through the website), as well as some eastern European countries and Russia.
And it's true. I didn't know that brand at all until she began dancing with some quasi-stars and started sponsoring MR.
Respect where it's due: She's managed to create brand awareness énmasse from her business with MR, I'll give her that. |
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| jph27 |
Posted on 24-02-2011 09:24
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CrueTrue wrote:
Although someone from a Danish forum had guessed it, I still find it quite surprising.
But alright, weirder things have happened.
One thing I find quite interesting is that the fans can do something actively to up the sponsorship. They have made a Facebook page, and the more fans, the more money will go to the team.
5,000 fans on Facebook means 4 % more, 10,000 means 8 % more, and 25,000 fans means that Onfone will up the sponsorship with 20 %.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Giv-Mic...0449049788
Well, if you join, then the Chicken gets richer. Why not just give money to dopers for no reason? |
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| Lachi |
Posted on 24-02-2011 09:45
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He has a contract so he will not get richer. But the team would get more money. Also there is no proof that he is doping. |
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| Ithaca |
Posted on 24-02-2011 09:59
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jph27 wrote:
CrueTrue wrote:
Although someone from a Danish forum had guessed it, I still find it quite surprising.
But alright, weirder things have happened.
One thing I find quite interesting is that the fans can do something actively to up the sponsorship. They have made a Facebook page, and the more fans, the more money will go to the team.
5,000 fans on Facebook means 4 % more, 10,000 means 8 % more, and 25,000 fans means that Onfone will up the sponsorship with 20 %.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Giv-Mic...0449049788
Well, if you join, then the Chicken gets richer. Why not just give money to dopers for no reason?
Isn't that a little judgemental?
As far as I know, it's the Team that is being sponsored, not MR. He's not the owner of the team, just the appointed Captain. I see no reason why my facebook-profile should not support a continental team that (if nothing else) helps develop talent and keeps the sport alive.
In my mind, Christina Watches-Onfone has become more than "Michael's team". There are other riders there who need support as well. |
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| jph27 |
Posted on 24-02-2011 10:03
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I have no problem with them developing talent, but with someone like Rasmussen as Captain, then I'd be pretty distrustful of any of their riders who start winning races. |
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| Ithaca |
Posted on 24-02-2011 10:11
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jph27 wrote:
I have no problem with them developing talent, but with someone like Rasmussen as Captain, then I'd be pretty distrustful of any of their riders who start winning races.
I understand the point of view.
And yet, not really. As far as I know, MR was never proved guilty of doping (I am unaware of any "odd" test results). I seem to remember something about a whereabouts-issue, but that was 3 years ago. We've long since forgiven other sinners (Basso, to name one), who have admitted worse crimes (I.e. doping).
I agree that MR's media handling has been sub-par, if not completely terrible, but that's not really a reason to hate him or to distrust his motives.
I seem to remember someone from WADA recently claiming that "... it is each atheletes responsibility to prove his own innocence".
I disagree. In my world (and the world of most civilized courts) you are innocent until proven guilty.
EDIT: This is way off-topic. Sorry.
Back to "NEWS". 
Edited by Ithaca on 24-02-2011 10:12
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| ringo182 |
Posted on 24-02-2011 10:17
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what happened to all the big name pro-tour podium riders that MR said had wanted to join the team? apparently there were riders from all over europe but now the team is exclusively Danish.
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| Ithaca |
Posted on 24-02-2011 10:23
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@Ringo:
I suppose some sponsorships fell through. Don't know, really.
They claim that Angelo Furlan is interested, and with the Onfone sponsorship in place, it may actually be financially possible.
How good is Furlan at the moment, anyway?
Otherwise, they'll join the other Danish continental teams on that level. Which is fair, I guess. |
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| jph27 |
Posted on 24-02-2011 10:24
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Ithaca wrote:
jph27 wrote:
I have no problem with them developing talent, but with someone like Rasmussen as Captain, then I'd be pretty distrustful of any of their riders who start winning races.
I understand the point of view.
And yet, not really. As far as I know, MR was never proved guilty of doping (I am unaware of any "odd" test results). I seem to remember something about a whereabouts-issue, but that was 3 years ago. We've long since forgiven other sinners (Basso, to name one), who have admitted worse crimes (I.e. doping).
I agree that MR's media handling has been sub-par, if not completely terrible, but that's not really a reason to hate him or to distrust his motives.
I seem to remember someone from WADA recently claiming that "... it is each atheletes responsibility to prove his own innocence".
I disagree. In my world (and the world of most civilized courts) you are innocent until proven guilty.
EDIT: This is way off-topic. Sorry.
Back to "NEWS".
Why would you lie about your whereabouts unless you had something to hide?
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| jacknic |
Posted on 24-02-2011 11:28
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jph27 wrote:
I have no problem with them developing talent, but with someone like Rasmussen as Captain, then I'd be pretty distrustful of any of their riders who start winning races.
See this is what Jonathan Vaughters wrote an article about the other day. Connecting the dots. Very judgemental and a flawed deterministic logic.
Now flaunting my very first avatar...
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 24-02-2011 12:00
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The point here is - I'm not supporting Michael Rasmussen by joining the page. I'm supporting a team which has some promising Danish talents in the squad.
No doubt that Michael Rasmussen doped in the Tour '07, no doubt that he's not a very likeable guy. But why should that prevent me from hoping that a new Danish continental team is somewhat successful?
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Ithaca wrote:
I seem to remember someone from WADA recently claiming that "... it is each atheletes responsibility to prove his own innocence".
I disagree. In my world (and the world of most civilized courts) you are innocent until proven guilty.
I doubt that - I'd love the read the quote.
If it's related to the Contador case, we're back to the argument about strict liability. We have a positive test - therefore, it's up to Contador to prove that he didn't intentionally use clenbuterol (= prove his innocence).
Edited by CrueTrue on 24-02-2011 12:02
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| Ithaca |
Posted on 24-02-2011 12:11
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CrueTrue wrote:
Ithaca wrote:
I seem to remember someone from WADA recently claiming that "... it is each atheletes responsibility to prove his own innocence".
I disagree. In my world (and the world of most civilized courts) you are innocent until proven guilty.
I doubt that - I'd love the read the quote.
It's not the Contador case.
The exact quote is: "Any citizen must prove his innocence, when confronted with accusations" - Courtesy of Bruno Genevois, AFLD.
By my standards, this is "guilty until proven innocent", and not acceptable.
My source is in Danish (should be available somewhere on cyclingnews).
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| CrueTrue |
Posted on 24-02-2011 12:15
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The CyclingNews-quote:
"Every citizen must answer to justice when approached by it," he said
Translated to English from French (originally from an interview with Le Monde).
It gets less and less controversial from each translation. Had he said anything like the Danish translation, that would have been the headline of the article 
Edited by CrueTrue on 24-02-2011 12:15
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| Aquarius |
Posted on 24-02-2011 12:21
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Ithaca wrote:
CrueTrue wrote:
Ithaca wrote:
I seem to remember someone from WADA recently claiming that "... it is each atheletes responsibility to prove his own innocence".
I disagree. In my world (and the world of most civilized courts) you are innocent until proven guilty.
I doubt that - I'd love the read the quote.
It's not the Contador case.
The exact quote is: "Any citizen must prove his innocence, when confronted with accusations" - Courtesy of Bruno Genevois, AFLD.
By my standards, this is "guilty until proven innocent", and not acceptable.
My source is in Danish (should be available somewhere on cyclingnews).
https://www.feltet.dk/nyheder/amerikan...inproever/
"Confronted with accusations" means a positive A sample but not sentenced yet. Either innocence is proven by the testing of the B sample, either there's a valuable explanation for the positiveness.
How could you ever prove someone's guilt otherwise, if you can't even rely on positive tests ?
Edited by CrueTrue on 24-02-2011 12:22
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| Ithaca |
Posted on 24-02-2011 12:27
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CrueTrue wrote:
The CyclingNews-quote:
"Every citizen must answer to justice when approached by it," he said
Translated to English from French (originally from an interview with Le Monde).
It gets less and less controversial from each translation. Had he said anything like the Danish translation, that would have been the headline of the article
@Crue / Aquarius
Fair enough, the articles has been badly translated. It's a lot less controversial now 
@Aquarius: Technically (as a matter of law) an accusation is just that. An accusation. A positive sample would be indicative of circumstantial evidence, where a positive B sample would be evidence / proof.
I went overboard because of bad translations. Sorry
Edited by Ithaca on 24-02-2011 12:28
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| miggi133 |
Posted on 24-02-2011 22:24
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Seems like Leopard-Trek has to change the luxembourgish and the danish National championship shirt...
According to UCI-Rules the national championship jerseys have to be those that are given the winner by the cycling association.
So I guess Movistar has to change Gutierrez' jersey as well...
in luxembourgish: https://sport.rtl.lu/cyclissem/news/97...97005.html
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| valverde321 |
Posted on 24-02-2011 22:25
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jph27 wrote:
Well, if you join, then the Chicken gets richer. Why not just give money to dopers for no reason?
Did someone say you could come back? 
Edited by valverde321 on 24-02-2011 22:27
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| jph27 |
Posted on 25-02-2011 09:13
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valverde321 wrote:
jph27 wrote:
Well, if you join, then the Chicken gets richer. Why not just give money to dopers for no reason?
Did someone say you could come back?
No. I just did.
In other news, Het Nieuwsblad will probably be cancelled, due to some teams (looks at Rabobank) refusal to adhere to the Radio ban. |
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| Conran |
Posted on 25-02-2011 09:41
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Edit: read it too fast, srry xD
Edited by Conran on 25-02-2011 09:54
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